What fluids to use in A2W

TurboJunk

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YES this has been gone over before
YES i used the search button (it sucks)
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I finally got my datamaster hooked up and i was to happy with my IAT's. I changed my IAT sensor and now im gettin the real readings... my old one was broken for some reason (piece of ti was missing) and i would just sit at 60 degree's and never change. What type of fluids is everyone using, what mix.

right now i have water wetter-water-antifreeze

does anyone have a mix they feel works the best, with some data to go with it?

surprisingly thou i have NO knock, but i want to turn the boost up and dont want it to be 160 degrees in there.
 

hatrik8

Donating Member
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

I use the same fluids. If you don't want your IC to freeze and crack you better keep some antifreeze in there.
 

420

Broke Ass Racing
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

There are some intercooler specific fluids that some of the road race teams use. My shop's Pro Mod car uses it in their A2L intercooler with very impressive results. I'll see if I can get a name for you.
 

420

Broke Ass Racing
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

hatrik8 said:
I use the same fluids. If you don't want your IC to freeze and crack you better keep some antifreeze in there.

Must be a northern problem ;)
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

Just make sure you burp all or any air out of your system and make sure your water wetter isn't foaming
 

TurboJunk

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Re: What fluids to use in A2W

The pumps hot wired, but i dont see much movement in the upper cooler.... i have a johnson on it now, i have a shurflow someone said these move the water alot better
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

TurboJunk said:
The pumps hot wired, but i dont see much movement in the upper cooler.... i have a johnson on it now, i have a shurflow someone said these move the water alot better

Maybe you should look into an aux cooler mounted behind teh grill or something like the old ATR unit.. that way you can make use of both pumps with two cores
 

0-60N4

Member
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

Distilled water and Water Wetter. As long as you don't park it outside in below freezing temperature.
 

SpoolingTurbo6

Donating Member
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

I've often wondered if you could use 100% Polyethylene glycol circulated via an aftermarket pump, With a chill box of ice or dry ice?You could use a (ATR) style cooler from Hayden.
 

Wikid 1

200+ lbs of puppy!
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

"Although complex, the water based IC enjoys the one terrific advantage of the far greater (fourteenfold) heat transfer coefficient between water and aluminum than between air and aluminum... The focus of the problems on handeling the water is largely centered around rate of water flow, amount of water in the system, and the subsequent removal of heat from the water.

Water pumps. Easily the most usable pumps are 12-volt marine bilge pumps. These can be ganged in series or parallel, depending on pressure and flow capacity of the pumps. the fundamental should not be overlooked that the more water circulated, the greater the IC efficency. consider a water flow rate of 10 gallons per minute a reasonable minimum...

Coolant Water is by far the best cooling medium, Glycol and other anitfreeze materials degrade the ability of water to transport heat and should be used only in quantities required to prevent freezing and corrosion. Essentially, put the same ratio of water and antifreeze into the IC that is used in the enigne cooling system.

Reservoirs. The size of the reservoir is of prime importance to the efficiency of the water-based IC. Consider that most applications of boost will only last a few seconds -say, 15 as a high average. Then it is reasonable to be sure in this interval that any given piece of water will not see the IC unit twice. A pump capability of 10 gallons per minute will move 2.5 gallons in 15 seconds; thus, the ideal size of the resercoir here is 2.5 gallons. Unreasonably large, obviously, but the pint is made that the bigger the reservoir, the greater the time until the water takes it's second lap through the IC. It is ot too difficult to see that as a larger reservoir is used, the need for a front cooler devreases. Consider that the greater the mass of water, the greater the Thermal Inertia.

Front cooler. The front cooler is the least important part of the IC system, as it is doing most of it's work when the vehicle is not operating under boost. At the start of aboost run, the entier system will be at apprtximately ambient temperature. As boost rises, heating the water in the main core, this heated water must get to the front core before it has any temperature difference with to drive the heat out. This timje dealy can be as long as 7 or 8 seconds, depending on the size of the reservoir. That amount of time is typical of a boost application. It is clear, then, that the front cooler will do most of its work after the boost run. Since the temperature difference between the water and the front core is small compared to the temperature difference between the boost charge and the water, the time required to cool the water down is much greater than the timre required to heat it up. This is another reason for running the twaer pumps all the time. The front core dows not need to be as big as it may seem at first glance, because the relative CFM rates through the two cores will usually be havily biased towards the front cooler. For example, a forward velocity of just 60 MPH could potentially put 5280 CF through a cooler of 1 square foot area. Surely it is another case of bigger is better, but not really enough better to get carried away with huge front coolers"

--Taken from "Maximum Boost, Designing, testing and installing turbo charger systems" By Corkey Bell


Now this basic idea I've read in several books, and find it most amusing that our trucks completely lack a resiervour, and have a wimpy 2-3 GMP pump which adds up to a piss poor IC system. I've added a 4 gallon resivour in the bed and a 12.5 gpm bilge pump to my system, wrapped the IC in heat blankiet, and using the stock CCHE with a scoop, and 3/4" lines through out the whole system my IAT's stay a ROCK STEADY 20-25 degrees above ambiant through out the entire run... take it for what it's worth.
 

TurboJunk

questionable
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

Some1 has done there homework , thank you.

I need to drain the system and see if the pump it pumping... maybe im not pumping int he right direction....

if i use distilled water and water wetter, can i use a small amount of antifreeze just to ensure it wont freeze this winter?
 

Wikid 1

200+ lbs of puppy!
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

well, IMHO if your going to run it through the winter i'd do a 50/50 just to be damn sure i wasn't going to crack the IC. then in the spring/summer swap it back if ya like.
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

Wikid 1 said:
"Although complex, the water based IC enjoys the one terrific advantage of the far greater (fourteenfold) heat transfer coefficient between water and aluminum than between air and aluminum... The focus of the problems on handeling the water is largely centered around rate of water flow, amount of water in the system, and the subsequent removal of heat from the water.

Water pumps. Easily the most usable pumps are 12-volt marine bilge pumps. These can be ganged in series or parallel, depending on pressure and flow capacity of the pumps. the fundamental should not be overlooked that the more water circulated, the greater the IC efficency. consider a water flow rate of 10 gallons per minute a reasonable minimum...

Coolant Water is by far the best cooling medium, Glycol and other anitfreeze materials degrade the ability of water to transport heat and should be used only in quantities required to prevent freezing and corrosion. Essentially, put the same ratio of water and antifreeze into the IC that is used in the enigne cooling system.

Reservoirs. The size of the reservoir is of prime importance to the efficiency of the water-based IC. Consider that most applications of boost will only last a few seconds -say, 15 as a high average. Then it is reasonable to be sure in this interval that any given piece of water will not see the IC unit twice. A pump capability of 10 gallons per minute will move 2.5 gallons in 15 seconds; thus, the ideal size of the resercoir here is 2.5 gallons. Unreasonably large, obviously, but the pint is made that the bigger the reservoir, the greater the time until the water takes it's second lap through the IC. It is ot too difficult to see that as a larger reservoir is used, the need for a front cooler devreases. Consider that the greater the mass of water, the greater the Thermal Inertia.

Front cooler. The front cooler is the least important part of the IC system, as it is doing most of it's work when the vehicle is not operating under boost. At the start of aboost run, the entier system will be at apprtximately ambient temperature. As boost rises, heating the water in the main core, this heated water must get to the front core before it has any temperature difference with to drive the heat out. This timje dealy can be as long as 7 or 8 seconds, depending on the size of the reservoir. That amount of time is typical of a boost application. It is clear, then, that the front cooler will do most of its work after the boost run. Since the temperature difference between the water and the front core is small compared to the temperature difference between the boost charge and the water, the time required to cool the water down is much greater than the timre required to heat it up. This is another reason for running the twaer pumps all the time. The front core dows not need to be as big as it may seem at first glance, because the relative CFM rates through the two cores will usually be havily biased towards the front cooler. For example, a forward velocity of just 60 MPH could potentially put 5280 CF through a cooler of 1 square foot area. Surely it is another case of bigger is better, but not really enough better to get carried away with huge front coolers"

--Taken from "Maximum Boost, Designing, testing and installing turbo charger systems" By Corkey Bell


Now this basic idea I've read in several books, and find it most amusing that our trucks completely lack a resiervour, and have a wimpy 2-3 GMP pump which adds up to a piss poor IC system. I've added a 4 gallon resivour in the bed and a 12.5 gpm bilge pump to my system, wrapped the IC in heat blankiet, and using the stock CCHE with a scoop, and 3/4" lines through out the whole system my IAT's stay a ROCK STEADY 20-25 degrees above ambiant through out the entire run... take it for what it's worth.


:stupid:
Try a little better pump http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611772746 (actually the one I got is the next size larger in & out fittings @ 1"),
1" hoses. It will get better than that with two Dequick cores in front of the rad., others will disagree but........ take that for what it's worth.

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James
 

GM tech

New member
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

I'm using 50/50 mix green coolant with (1)Redline w/w in the engine.And 50/50 Dexcool with (1)Redline w/w in the IC.Helps when trying to diag coolant leaks.Installed Tech2 and checked temps during 5 mile test drive,engine temps ranged from 175-195(160 thermostat),IAT temps were around 160+/-.Outside temp was upper 70's,and truck was driven 17 freeway miles before test drive.I use an ATR upper IC with a hot wired adjustable high flow IC pump.Hope this helps....
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

Your IAT @ 160 seems way high. I had 150's with the bone stock set up at 83-85 deg. amb. Look over your system and make sure things are clean, air and water flow through the cores is "brisk" and there are no line kinks / restrictions or pump problems. After you verify the leak situation, ditch the anti-freeze and go water & Redline. I got a 15-18 degree drop just from that with the stock set up.

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James
 
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TurboJunk

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Re: What fluids to use in A2W

James Thomas said:
Your IAT @ 160 seems way high. I had 150's with the bone stock set up at 83-85 deg. amb. Look over your system and make sure things are clean, air and water flow through the cores is "brisk" and there are no line kinks / restrictions or pump problems. After you verify the leak situation, ditch the anti-freeze and go water & Redline. I got a 15-18 degree drop just from that with the stock set up.

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James
This week im going to drain it... and try water, wand water wetter. I have a johnsons pump now im going to check it out. i have a brand new shurflow pump if i dont like the way the johnson works im going to switch it out. Thank you everyone for your input
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: What fluids to use in A2W

While your swapping pumps and draining to refill, now would be a good time to pull the sections of metal pipe and replace them with all 3/4 rubber hose. If you have not done this already. The metal pipes on top of the intake just heat soak the I/C coolant.

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James
 
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