Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Birdman

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How would I go about doing this? I am pretty new to AWD, but I thought it would be cool to build this truck into an AWD screamer with a 383 SBC. Right now it is a 2.8L, 700R4, 4x4 rustbucket. I'm going to fix all the rust, drop it, put the V8 in it and back it with a good transmission.

So, what all do I need to do this?
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

The first thing you're going to need is a well stocked bank account.

Start doing some research. Buy the S10V8 conversion manual from JTR.

1 piece of advice. Decide how much power you're going to be happy with. Use that power to figure out which trans to run. Over 350hp with AWD and I'd say step up to the 4L80E (from the 700R4). You'll spend less money in the long run.

I wouldn't post looking for too much info from these guys. Do some homework for yourself (on here and elsewhere) and then ask specific questions. You'll get much better results.

'JustDreamin'
 

George Blake

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Yeah. Don't ask blanket statements like "what all do I need?" Anyone that's done it probably has posted something on that already and it insults them that you never read what they posted already.
 

Birdman

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Thanks JustDreamin, I'll do just that.

I've already researched the V8 swap and all, that's not a problem. I was just wondering about converting to AWD, but it seems like this was the wrong place to look. :roll:
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

If your starting off with a rust bucket, I would buy a nicer shell. Unless you replace the rusty metal, it will always comeback.
 

Birdman

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

It's got more sentimental value than anything. It was my first car, my wife and I met and dated in it, took it everywhere when we were in college, etc. Been with em a long time and time to show it some of the love I've been giving to the Trans Ams these last few years.

I'm planning on stripping it all down, cutting out all the rust, and welding in new sheetmetal. I'm gonna make it last this time. I know first hand about it coming back. Back in college I tried to fix it the best I could with the cash I had. Lots of BONDO, sheetmetal, rivets, and sanding. Now it is all falling off. :rotf:
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Birdman said:
Thanks JustDreamin, I'll do just that.

I've already researched the V8 swap and all, that's not a problem. I was just wondering about converting to AWD, but it seems like this was the wrong place to look. :roll:
Not necessarily the wrong place to look. Just trying to say that you'll get better answers if you ask specific questions.

And there is a wealth of knowledge (and knowledgeable folks) here on this board who are happy to help with questions that require some thought / experience / etc.

Basically, you've got to show that you're not the 2,457th person of the month who wants to put a Sy / Ty turbo setup on their stock 4.3 Blazer (it gets asked alot, maybe not that often). Because of alot of newbie / stupid questions, these guys are somewhat hesitant to jump in and provide answers for entry level questions.


The basic answer to your question is this: AWD and 4WD aren't all that different, boils down to a few hardware changes. You need an AWD transfer case, and I'd suggest the BW4472 (which is the case these guys run). There are some other cases (NV149 or NV136/236/246) which could be used, but they're not necessarily any better. The NV149 is the case used in the AWD Silverado SS. The NV136 et al is an "active on demand" tcase which requires a computer to kick the clutch for the front end on and off (there is no differential action), which means the integration is much harder. BW4472 was available in Bravadas thru '96 (or was it '97), Sy's and Ty's, and AWD Astro's / Safari's thru '97 (or '98).

You will also need to figure out what trans you want to run. The 700R4 is an acceptable trans up to a certain power limit in AWD. It will live at much higher HP in a 2wd application because tire spin will help "pad" the shock loading. I'd guess a well built 700R4 would probably serve well in the under 400hp range, assuming you take reasonable care of it and freshen it up every so often (depending upon usage, maybe every 2 years?). You've got other options, but the only other 4 speed auto that is worth considering is the 4L80E. Its big, expensive, computer controlled, and pretty darn stout. Basically, its the old TH400 with a .75:1 overdrive. Did I mention its expensive? Not to scare you off, its the better choice, but its not for the shy of pocketbook. A couple of these guys could give you a much better opinion on the capabilities of the 700R4 (like George Blake, a trans builder).

Front diffs are basically the same. The 4wd front diff's pass side axle shaft has a on / off mechanical linkage, which the AWD's don't have (solid shaft). Other than that, no real change there. And you could keep the stock front diff and just lock out the on / off feature (or keep it for short burnouts at the track).

Front driveshaft will have to be up to the constant spinning. Well built, balanced, and may need a CV joint, depending upon your driveline angles (you'll have to figure that out).

AWD will require you to make sure that your tires are all the same size. I would suggest full matched sets (same size / brand / amount of wear) but the tcase will tolerate some amount of difference. If you decide to change gear ratios, you gotta do both ends (some people don't think about that, but it is important).

Hope that helps answer some of your questions. Please feel free to ask additional questions, but try to make them a bit narrower in scope.

'JustDreamin'
 
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Birdman

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

See, now that is what I was looking for. I just needed a simple "Transfer case and possibly a front diff, beef up the tranny" but I guess I see what you are saying. Haven't been here long enough for people to know me and know I know what I'm doing.

That was a huge help, I appreciate you taking the time to type that up! :D
 

myclone

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Birdman said:
See, now that is what I was looking for. I just needed a simple "Transfer case and possibly a front diff, beef up the tranny" but I guess I see what you are saying. Haven't been here long enough for people to know me and know I know what I'm doing.

That was a huge help, I appreciate you taking the time to type that up! :D

Going by your profile www.turbotime.us is in your back yard (Cary, NC). Plenty of help to be had there.
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Birdman said:
Damn, I work like 5 minutes from them. Awesome! :cool:

Definitely check them out. I know they're working on a couple of LSx V8 powered trucks (or they were last time I talked to them). A SBC is an easier swap (and parts are cheaper) than the LSx. They should still be able to guide you in the selection of bits and pieces....

'JustDreamin'
 

ShuggsRR

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

My Tyclone truck started life as a 1985 GMC S15 Jimmy 2dr 4x4 w/2.8l V6.

It was converted over to AWD using a 4472 transfer case, Typhoon driveshaft and custom made prop shaft. It uses 3.73 locking rear diff, and 3.73 open front diff.

The engine was removed and replaced with a 96 LT1 and 4L60E transmission. So far everything looks to be good as it runs and drives. But I have yet to finish the truck so i havent actually "road tested" it.
 

Birdman

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

I think my plan for now is a mild 350, since I have a lot of parts in the garage for one. Might as well use what I've got. Then I'm going to find a TH350 and have it rebuilt and use the t-case adapter kit to make it work. I'm not too concerned about having OD as this is only going to be a fun truck and I have other cars with OD that I daily drive. I've had lots of luck with built TH350s, so I think I'll stick with one of those.

Then I'll dig up a BW4472 case and use the stock diff. with a manual actuator to run 2wd if I ever want to.

The work starts this week/weekend. Going to start gutting the interior to see how far in the rust got.
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Birdman said:
I think my plan for now is a mild 350, since I have a lot of parts in the garage for one. Might as well use what I've got. Then I'm going to find a TH350 and have it rebuilt and use the t-case adapter kit to make it work. I'm not too concerned about having OD as this is only going to be a fun truck and I have other cars with OD that I daily drive. I've had lots of luck with built TH350s, so I think I'll stick with one of those.

Then I'll dig up a BW4472 case and use the stock diff. with a manual actuator to run 2wd if I ever want to.

The work starts this week/weekend. Going to start gutting the interior to see how far in the rust got.
A TH350 setup should be ok, especially if you're not really concerned about OD. A TH400 would be a bit stouter, but the expense of converting it from 32 spline to 27 spline is tough to justify. In comparison to the 700R4, the TH350 should be pretty much bulletproof (obviously you can still break one with enough power or cheap parts).

Nothing wrong with a good solid 350 motor. Inexpensive reliable power. Its nice to be able to pick up parts for them at Wal-Mart (ok, maybe not, but parts are available nearly anywhere).

The manual actuator can be a bad thing. The BW4472 doesn't really like running in 2wd. It can do some weird things. Like the truck may drift if parked on a hill (in 2wd w/o parking brake set). Or it may kill the viscous coupling in the tcase (problem is not instant, its more cumulative damage, sooner or later its gonna give up). Best to leave it locked in 4wd unless you really want to torture the tcase.

'JustDreamin'
 

Birdman

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Re: Converting my 4wd S-10 Blazer to AWD?

Gotcha, thanks for the heads up. I'll just leave it there in case I want to heat the back tires at the track. I'll keep it in 4wd most of the time then.

I've run built TH350s behind several of my Trans Ams that were making a lot more power than any motor I'm gonna run in this truck, so I'm comfortable with them.

Eventually it'll get a 383, but that's on down the line after I get my other Trans Ams done. :tup:

I thought about sticking one of my spare Pontiac motors in it, but that would require a lot of fabrication, and I figure with the body work this truck needs, I'll be about tired of fabrication by the time I get to the drivetrain. :lol:
 
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