4-bar vs 4-link (vs ladder)

BillC

New member
Hopefully this won't sound like too dumb a question, but....

Over in http://syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19849 , they were talking a little about the differences between 4-link vs 4-bar rear suspensions, but didn't actually say what the differences are. What are the differences? Why would you pick one over the other? Which applications are either best suited for? For that matter, where do ladder bars fit in the mix?

Thanks
 

JSM

Active member
I am no expert, but here is what I have determined.

Order of good to bad.

Ladder is lowest
4 Bar next
4 link is best.


Ladder bar:
simple, easy to design, not much adjustablity, roll center is at front pivot point. (point about which truck rolls)

4 Bar:
2 bars, parrell to each other. Pinion angle can be more easily adjusted.
Roll center is infinitly in front of truck.

4 link:
More complex
More stuff to pack
Best traction
Roll center is adjustable as well as pinion angles.

some decent info here also

http://www.artmorrison.com/F_streetstrip.htm

In my opinion ladder is upgrage from leaf, 4 bar is a good all around design, 4 link for all out drag racing.

I am thinking of a 4 bar myself, but ladder is much simplier to do...hmm

Curious what others say, opinions, and what people think that have driven each design, I know some people have al's ladder rear. What do you think of the ride?
 
Rear Suspension Tech 101

Engine torque is transmitted to the rear axles through the ring and pinion gears. Due to the nature of the action of the pinion on the ring there is a torque load (lifting force) transmitted to the rear of the chassis. This load can be controlled with the suspension components.

The rear differential housing rotates around an "instant center". A proper rear suspension can allow for adjustment of this instant center front, back, up, or down.

The springs support the weight of the vehicle. They also store and release energy.

The shock absorbers (really suspension dampeners) slow down movement of the chassis on the springs in both compression and extension based on their valving. Ideally, each shock should be mounted on the same arc traveled by the wheel when it moves up and down.

Sway bars behave as infinitely adjustable springs which act only when acted upon to resist vertical movements of one wheel relative to the other on the same axle.

4-link suspensions means there are 4 adjustable bars (2 per side) mounted between the rear axle housing and an adjustable forward mounting bracket attached to the frame. With the 4-link the instant center is adjustable front to back, up and down. It is possible to have the front end lift on acceleration (good for rear wheel drive vehicles to increase downforce and therefore traction on the rear tires), remain neutral, or by exerting a lifting force between the rear axle and chassis, transfer weight to the front end while simultaneously adding downforce to the rear (which is ideal for AWD vehicles). The adjustments on the 4-link are quick and easy, so changes can be readily made and evaluated. The characteristics of the 4-bar or ladder bar could easily be duplicated if desired.

Ladder bars are like 4-link bars with the fronts of the bars joined together. The instant center is the front mounting point. There can be a small amount of adjustment of the instant center up or down, but not front or back. There is good potential for improving rear traction but it is not nearly as adaptable as the 4-link.

The 4-bar is a parallel 4-link suspension. There is no instant center and no torque is transferred. No additional downforce is created. Therefore there is no traction benefit.

Lateral location of the vehicle body relative to the wheels is provided by linkages such as a Panhard bar, Watts linkage or angled control arms. The Panhard bar is the simplest in that it usually comprises a link with rod ends attached at one end to the body and at the other end to an unsprung portion of the suspension. Since body roll can cause the Panhard bar to steer the attached suspension, the Panhard rod is happiest when it is as long as feasible and mounted level. Generally the Panhard bar determines the roll center at the associated end of the vehicle, though stiff leaf springs can compromise this.

Leaf springs can under certain conditions transfer a torque load and create downforce. Unfortunately the are heavy and prone to deformation and twisting under load. If the leaves are clamped together at the forward end and permitted to slide at the rear end of the spring, the net effect is similar to a ladder bar.
 

JSM

Active member
Sandman, excellent tech info..

I was thinking instant center, as you mentioned but typed roll center.
 

adam92

Active member
In my opinion,4 link is the best for traction,but a harsh ride on the street.I know this because I used to own a 70 pro street nova,w/4 link suspension,and have also ridden in many tubbed cars with 4 link and ladder bar setups.Ladder bar is a nicer ride,but less adjustability,4 link is a harsher ride but more adjustability.Don't know too much about the 4 bar setup.
 

biomedcarter

biomedcarter
Re: 4-bar vs 4-link (vs ladder)

Hey,
I have got a new set of leaf springs which yield a 2-3" , drop and a sway bar for the rear end of my 56 chevy stepside. I was wondering what I can do to improve traction but still use the things I already have, I've heard rumors of some tricks you can do if your a descent welder.....
Thanks for your time,
Steven Carter
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: 4-bar vs 4-link (vs ladder)

Just to disturb to poo a bit, I would argue that there is always weight transfer to the rear under acceleration. Just like there is always weight transfer to the front under deceleration.
 

skipztt

boost
Re: 4-bar vs 4-link (vs ladder)

ummmm...i think 4 link is the same as 4 bar, just a different way to say it.

though 4 link is the best. more adjustment..but more work then ladder bars.

4 link is pretty much a complete backhalf of the vechile. ladder bar is also.."kinda". but if ur gonna cut up a car i would do 4 link.


as for the drop leaf springs i would imagine you'll have a harder time hooking up cause of the loss of weight transfer.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: 4-bar vs 4-link (vs ladder)

4 bar and 4 link are different in terms of how they react.

Typically 4 bar is street rod stuff, not much for performance.
 
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