E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

the reason you cant find this fuel everywhere is because of the oil industry. a lot of the chain stores selling gas are owned/partially owned by the oil companies with only the convenient store owned by the locals, or in some cases even that is owned by the oil company. the mom and pop gas stations are a thing of the past. the oil business has greatly exceeded what a mom and pop business is capable of competing in. the oil industry isnt required to provide ethanol as a form of fuel where they offer gas, and really has no interest in doing so because the money they stand to lose by selling a product that they do not make, thats a cheaper replacement for the product they do make. this is most likely the same reason that in some palces the E85 is always priced the same as regular gas regardless of how expensive gas becomes. (the cost of manufacturing ethanol does not fluctuate with the price of gas) the politicians have interest in oil because of the pocket lining they recieve from the oil companies.... some of them even own oil companies...... so the roll out of the ethanol supply is embarisingly slow. politicians are quick to tout the tax brakes given to business to cover the instalation of E85 equipment, but if you havnt noticed, not many are biting. we have one station with in an hour of here. id love to see a more aggressive strategy from the government for equiping us the individuals with this great new fuel that they claim to be pusing so hard. for all the talk they are doing about it, i dont see a whole lot happening. i took a trip to the chevrolet dealer about 6 months ago and asked the sales manager if he was gonna start offering any flex fuel trucks. he said almost every new truck on the lot was ordered with the flex fuel option, but said good luck finding the gas anywhere around here. if i was george bush id be embarised to do all that talking on tv about ethanol, knowing that all these people are driving around in american made flex fuel cars and trucks with no where to fill up.

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Yup, good ol' George's fault like everything else. Man stabs man in eye in China, Bush ordered the hit right? I hear it all the time on the alphabet T.V....cbs, nbc, abc, cnn.

...and I'm not i'm not republican...the republican party is far to liberal for my taste. It just gets old hearing how everything seems to be Georgy's fault as if we don't have what you call checks and balances in our gov.

Other than that, you have some great points, particularly when you are astute enough to blame multiple politicians rather than one single man.

 

[T-Bone]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

You could always convert your vehicle to run on used deep fry oil. Some guy did his 80's car that way recently and buys the used oil from fast food joints for .10 a gallon. Only draw back is that followers sniff fry fumes when behind him. I have come to the conslusion that gas prices are NOT worth worrying over. If OPEC and our greedy government drive the price to $8.00/gallon, either we pay it or walk. We are now reaping our addiction to big heavy fuel sucking SUV's and luxury cars.

 

[dgoodhue]

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Yup, good ol' George's fault like everything else. Man stabs man in eye in China, Bush ordered the hit right? I hear it all the time on the alphabet T.V....cbs, nbc, abc, cnn.

...and I'm not i'm not republican...the republican party is far to liberal for my taste. It just gets old hearing how everything seems to be Georgy's fault as if we don't have what you call checks and balances in our gov.

Other than that, you have some great points, particularly when you are astute enough to blame multiple politicians rather than one single man.

No offense but he didn't said 'politican', he didn't say Republican. You doing a lot infering for. Not everything issue has to have line drawn to blame the Democrats or Republicans.

if i was george bush id be embarised to do all that talking on tv about ethanol, knowing that all these people are driving around in american made flex fuel cars and trucks with no where to fill up.

Same goes for blaming Bush. He didn't say it was Bush's fault, just he would be embarassed to promote E85.

 

[turbostar]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

I mostly lurk on this board and try to learn more about my Sy, but on this subject I have something to offer. As a preface let me say that I am an investor and currently totally in energy. I am not putting myself up as an expert but I know enough to make a very comfortable living from energy and don't have a boss. The good news about the current high prices is that they MAY be temporary. Even the smallest investigation into the current state shows that the problem is a lack of refining capacity. Currently there is enough crude but a perfect storm has hit the refiners. All our refineries are old(no new refineries in the last 30 years) and there have been numerous breakdowns across the country in addition to regular scheduled maintenance. This is why I say the high prices MAY be temporary, since as the refineries come back to full utilization more supply should come back and therefore lower prices. The caveat here is that we have not entered "the driving season" yet where demand increases. I know it is easy to hate the oil companies and many political types rant and rave and generate hate as they pander, but that is IMO misdirected anger. If you want to channel your anger more effectively, you should be angry at those that make it impossible for a new refinery to be built. Most Americans don't really understand supply and demand. Currently there is less supply due to refinery problems, therefore higher prices. To get prices lower,all that is required to happen is to have increased supply-and it would not hurt for demand to decrease. Understand that even with these very high prices the demand is up 2% year over year. What scares me is the political talk of windfall profits tax on the big oil companies-this will only decrease supply. Trust me it will not hurt me as I know how to invest accordingly. If they institute a windfall profits tax you will have $6/gal gas and you'll have to wait in long lines to get it-quote me on it.

 

[George Blake]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Just put 1/2 tank of the E85 in the Freestar. Not a ping, rattle, nothing. Ran much better. Not used to that. Usually use 87 octane. $2.57/gallon 100 octane vs. $3.18 for 87 Octane. And I feel better knowing it was produced in our country. Last year, $2.57/gallon seemed like a lot when regular gas was $2.50 ish. As volatile as regular dino fuel is, it's nice to see the price of E85 is independent and stable. Imagine how low the price will be once capacity goes up on E85.

 

[typhoon92]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Premium is about $3.35 around here. I get a measley 3 cent off each gallon with my discount card. I drive about 12 miles round trip to and from work on the freeway. It pissed me the whole way off the first time I paid over $50 to fill the Ty.

S.

Premium on this side of the mountains is $3.53. I would think gas would be more over there?

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

No offense but he didn't said 'politican', he didn't say Republican. You doing a lot infering for. Not everything issue has to have line drawn to blame the Democrats or Republicans.



Same goes for blaming Bush. He didn't say it was Bush's fault, just he would be embarassed to promote E85.

"politicians have interest in oil because of the pocket lining they recieve from the oil companies"

...says "politicians" right there...and I tend to agree with the context of how he used this by the way. No clue what your talking about.

As for the use of the word "republican"...nowhere did I say he made it a Repub. vs Demo. arguement...nore did I do that either. I simply said that "I'm not a republican" because I was defending Bush who is.

Talk about George Bush you talk about the Republican Party...he is a member of it.

I really have no idea what your post was even saying really, but as usal we are on different ends of the rope. Thats why I like ya my friend. I'll buy ya a beer at Nats. when I can make it out that way.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

I mostly lurk on this board and try to learn more about my Sy, but on this subject I have something to offer. As a preface let me say that I am an investor and currently totally in energy. I am not putting myself up as an expert but I know enough to make a very comfortable living from energy and don't have a boss. The good news about the current high prices is that they MAY be temporary. Even the smallest investigation into the current state shows that the problem is a lack of refining capacity. Currently there is enough crude but a perfect storm has hit the refiners. All our refineries are old(no new refineries in the last 30 years) and there have been numerous breakdowns across the country in addition to regular scheduled maintenance. This is why I say the high prices MAY be temporary, since as the refineries come back to full utilization more supply should come back and therefore lower prices. The caveat here is that we have not entered "the driving season" yet where demand increases. I know it is easy to hate the oil companies and many political types rant and rave and generate hate as they pander, but that is IMO misdirected anger. If you want to channel your anger more effectively, you should be angry at those that make it impossible for a new refinery to be built. Most Americans don't really understand supply and demand. Currently there is less supply due to refinery problems, therefore higher prices. To get prices lower,all that is required to happen is to have increased supply-and it would not hurt for demand to decrease. Understand that even with these very high prices the demand is up 2% year over year. What scares me is the political talk of windfall profits tax on the big oil companies-this will only decrease supply. Trust me it will not hurt me as I know how to invest accordingly. If they institute a windfall profits tax you will have $6/gal gas and you'll have to wait in long lines to get it-quote me on it.

Supply and demand?

Maybe its just the good ol' bend your ass over and take it from behind because i'm stronger than you and can hold you in the position to ram it up your ass.

Even congress got involved a year or so back and questioned the men in power over these companies about their excessive reported profits.

Listen, i'm a conservative mofo and I have no problem with oil companies doing "good business" by taking advantage of the demand for oil in this country. Its good capitalism and as much as the liberal freaks want to deny it, its why they have sidewalk to protest on while we are rich enough to protect them with a military that they don't support.

I don't mind taking it up the ass. I understand capitalism, I understand supply and demand, and I understand good business. I'm really not complaining as much as I'm just trying to call a duck a duck when it quacks, while everyone else wants to call it a cat or dog.

I'm fine with it for the most part...in the end, which may be awhile but will come, the greed will force alternatives for addressed in a serious manner at which point they will literally drive themselves out of business because they forced the issue. More than likely, they'll be smart enough to invest in those alternatives (like they already do to hold them down) only for the purpose to actually build them up.

It takes money to make money. That is why the rich are always on top and remain their...which is perfectly fine. I have no problem with merit considering brains and hard work usually follow in its path.

Live on conservatism, capitalism, and big business! Let those who hate move to France and enjoy that greate socialistic ecconomy! I'm sure you'll do a lot with your syty with 50%+ of your check being taken from the Gov. :tup:

 

[syclone1100]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

You guys are lucky you even have E85.... premium here is 91 oct. and still costs 3.30-3.40 a gal, and I think there are maybe two places to get E85 and that still cost 3.00 bucks a gal....

 

[ZavzTy547]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

You guys are lucky you even have E85.... premium here is 91 oct. and still costs 3.30-3.40 a gal, and I think there are maybe two places to get E85 and that still cost 3.00 bucks a gal....

Gas prices are getting way out of control in Washington. We are the 2nd highest in the nation at $3.42 a gal for 87 octane and I've seen it as high as $3.77 a gal for 91 octane.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

he didn't said 'politican', he didn't say Republican

...says "politicians" right there...and I tend to agree with the context of how he used this by the way. No clue what your talking about.

As for the use of the word "republican"...nowhere did I say he made it a Repub. vs Demo. arguement...nore did I do that either. I simply said that "I'm not a republican" because I was defending Bush who is.

Talk about George Bush you talk about the Republican Party...he is a member of it.

LOL I sound like politican I meant to write "he said 'politican', he didn't say Republican"

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Supply and demand?

Maybe its just the good ol' bend your ass over and take it from behind because i'm stronger than you and can hold you in the position to ram it up your ass.

Even congress got involved a year or so back and questioned the men in power over these companies about their excessive reported profits.

Listen, i'm a conservative mofo and I have no problem with oil companies doing "good business" by taking advantage of the demand for oil in this country. Its good capitalism and as much as the liberal freaks want to deny it, its why they have sidewalk to protest on while we are rich enough to protect them with a military that they don't support.

I don't mind taking it up the ass. I understand capitalism, I understand supply and demand, and I understand good business. I'm really not complaining as much as I'm just trying to call a duck a duck when it quacks, while everyone else wants to call it a cat or dog.

I'm fine with it for the most part...in the end, which may be awhile but will come, the greed will force alternatives for addressed in a serious manner at which point they will literally drive themselves out of business because they forced the issue. More than likely, they'll be smart enough to invest in those alternatives (like they already do to hold them down) only for the purpose to actually build them up.

It takes money to make money. That is why the rich are always on top and remain their...which is perfectly fine. I have no problem with merit considering brains and hard work usually follow in its path.

Live on conservatism, capitalism, and big business! Let those who hate move to France and enjoy that greate socialistic ecconomy! I'm sure you'll do a lot with your syty with 50%+ of your check being taken from the Gov. :tup:

I understand and all, but, what about the people who can barely afford to make it from a to b as it was? You can't say well thats their fault either because some people arent as fortunate as others and have very tight budgets. I can tell you one thing that really sucks, everytime gas goes up like this, prices of everything else stays the same or barely moves. For example, I own my own landscape company, when gas went up last summer I wanted so bad to up my prices and minimums, but, no other companies were doing which would've made me a fool because I would not be considered fair in the competition, I would've lost business. Now this is important to me because my business relys on gas. Gas went down at the end of the summer and I thought it was priced fairly. So, in short, I did not raise my prices. Well wouldn't you know that after I made all my calls to my previous customers and got 98% of them back, gas prices shott through the roof again. It's bullshit. Plain and simple. We pay our taxes for our fine military, or so I thought, I dont feel we should be raped at the pump. I have to pay $85 a day just to keep my truck going. Sooner or later, if e4veryone else doesnt move prices elsewhere, many will suffer and choke. While it may not bother you that its happening, there are a lot of people out there that cant afford it and society has been shaped in a way that we have grown to depend on transportation. Maybe Im wrong but I think somethign should be done, someting serious and something soon.

 

[jamnut]

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It's sad, I can't find any E85 anywhere near here. But when I go outside I see 1000's of acres of corn where there used to be cotton. All of the farmers around here went to corn to jump on the E85 train, there is a E85 plant about 40 miles from me, but you can't get E85 in Ms, or La, and they Grow the corn in La & the plant is in Ms.

I would love to be able to run my T-type & Sy on E85 & I would if I could get it close to the house.

 

[Seti]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

I just checked and there is only one publicly accessible E-85 pump in this entire stinking state!! There are two more but they are on military bases. All of which are too damned far to be worth while.

S.

 

[epix]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Wow, i just did a search on the E85 stations near me, within 25 miles I have 9 gas stations (most are GasAmerica) that carry it. The closest station is 12 miles away, which I drive by at least once a week.

For those that have ran E85, whats a 'safe' mix to use? I am using bigger injectors, walbro pump, but all my fuel lines are stock.. I have read that ethanol may have a tendency to corrode rubber lines.

 

[libertysyclone]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

That list is ONLY places that they have it at the pump!

Most of you can pick it up where you buy your racing fuel (if you buy it in cans/drums)

If its available there you can purchase it as "Racing Fuel" and save ~$.80/gal. But you can no longer use the purchase as a tax rebate. Last I checked for me to buy a 55gal drum of E85 it would have cost me $126.50=$2.30/gal I dont drive either of the vehicles that would use this in across the country so having a drum in my garage would work just fine.

 

[Seti]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

That list is ONLY places that they have it at the pump!

Most of you can pick it up where you buy your racing fuel (if you buy it in cans/drums)

If its available there you can purchase it as "Racing Fuel" and save ~$.80/gal. But you can no longer use the purchase as a tax rebate. Last I checked for me to buy a 55gal drum of E85 it would have cost me $126.50=$2.30/gal I dont drive either of the vehicles that would use this in across the country so having a drum in my garage would work just fine.

Hmmm, damned fine piece of information you just dropped there bro.

Gonna have to look into that.

S.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

I understand and all, but, what about the people who can barely afford to make it from a to b as it was? You can't say well thats their fault either because some people arent as fortunate as others and have very tight budgets. I can tell you one thing that really sucks, everytime gas goes up like this, prices of everything else stays the same or barely moves. For example, I own my own landscape company, when gas went up last summer I wanted so bad to up my prices and minimums, but, no other companies were doing which would've made me a fool because I would not be considered fair in the competition, I would've lost business. Now this is important to me because my business relys on gas. Gas went down at the end of the summer and I thought it was priced fairly. So, in short, I did not raise my prices. Well wouldn't you know that after I made all my calls to my previous customers and got 98% of them back, gas prices shott through the roof again. It's bullshit. Plain and simple. We pay our taxes for our fine military, or so I thought, I dont feel we should be raped at the pump. I have to pay $85 a day just to keep my truck going. Sooner or later, if e4veryone else doesnt move prices elsewhere, many will suffer and choke. While it may not bother you that its happening, there are a lot of people out there that cant afford it and society has been shaped in a way that we have grown to depend on transportation. Maybe Im wrong but I think somethign should be done, someting serious and something soon.

I would love to reply but I don't want to hijack and make this a political thread to much, even though the topic is by nature IMO. I understand what you are saying, but don't agree at all. I'm not speaking as a rich guy who comes from money either.

Its a very deep arguement, but your have been socialized to believe money is important. I don't want to got into it, but perspective on life is key.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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As right as I wish you were, I'ld love to see you live with out it. In an effort to stay somewhat on topic, its odd Hydrogen is never mentioned. Could it be because its free? You dont have to grow anything. hmmmm.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

As right as I wish you were, I'ld love to see you live with out it. In an effort to stay somewhat on topic, its odd Hydrogen is never mentioned. Could it be because its free? You dont have to grow anything. hmmmm.

It would be a very different life, but happiness would be obtained through different means than anything money can by. Its something few understand, and even fewer actually implement. Since you have been socialized to believe you "need" money, which your comment above is evidence of, it makes it difficult for you to see this perspective. You have been conditioned to think you "need" it, but the truth is your defination of the word "need" is flawed...as is what you probalby think true happiness is. Thats the short version. Not intended to piss ya off either...i promise.

The simple fact that you use the term "wish" implies you desire what I say to be true, but you don't understand that it is. It implies you are without something that you need, but you are not without. Your whole perspective is clouded for the lack of better terms.