E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

[brock1949]

I have a aluminum fuel cell from summit i was planning on running until i've been getting told from different sources that it will eat the tank..So i called summit to ask what was capable and they said nothing they sell plastic or metal. They claim the E85 pulls the oil out of the plastic and makes it brittle and it cracks etc. However right now in the bed of my truck i've had Meth (way worse that E85) in a plastic summit tank for almost 2 years and its not leaking, brittle or anything.

Whats the deal? plastic, aluminum.. coated aluminum, stainless$$$$? My fuel rails are aluminum and they are going to stay that way to..

 

[supersports10]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

guess what,...... these fools are mis-informed, and feeding you full of bullshit!!

talk to e-rue, or myself. we are both well versed in using e-85 in everything from a dd to a syclone.

i used e-85 for 3 plus years in my 97 s-10 SS, with a PLASTIC TANK out of a 2000 xtreme.

i also have 3 1/2 plus years of use in a factory metal tank. with the stock pump, in a 92 4x4 jimmy.

so many people spread so much false information around about e-85, because they heard form thier 2nd cousin twice removed:rotf: that "e-85 blew up thier motor," or "my fuel pump was ruined by e-85", or "it ate my fuel lines, and clogged my injectors":roll:

suddenly they become experts on the subject, without one stich of reasearch on thier part.:rant:
go with whatever tank you want.

studies were done, and the only thing they could find was a little "carbon tracking" in the fuel pump.:2cents:

 

[E-Rue]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

the stock steel tank works great, as does anything stainless steel. everything else your gonna have to experiment for your self.

and please dont call me at work after i tell you that im busy and cant talk, and continue to ask me quesions about injectors you plan on buying from someone else.

e

 

[brock1949]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

I'm sorry I called you at work but I tried to call you for 3 different days before that after I’m off work 6-8pm and after and I kept getting hung up on every time you answered and I’m not talking voice mail I would hear people talking and then get hung up on so i figured.. I must be calling after hours and he's pissed. So i wait till biz hours the next day and then I hear your at work. First off I didn't know until that day that your "Job" was outside automotive. Your in NC, I’m in Ohio I have no idea what the size and hours of your shop is.

As far as the slam about me not buying anything off of you, since buying the turbo from you I have called you first before I bought everything but the fuel cell from summit. I called before the ecm and fuel pump and just strait up said I will put in whatever you think I should that will get my truck on the road, I would have bought 100% of it off you that night, and that call ended with I don’t know because my truck was originally TBI and had a electronic OD tranny which is fine, it’s a pain in the ass project with no easy answers that don’t cost a chunk of change that in hind sight I would have made some different choices. But I’m in it now and it was my grandpa’s truck its in mint condition and this is probably one of the last years he’ll be able to goto a drag strip/road coarse and ride, drive or be a part of it at all.

As of right now I have no injectors’ period I was looking for injectors that will work with and properly sized for E85. When this is done I’ll have dropped almost 5g in finishing this truck and there is only a few parts that I never asked you about period.. fuel cell, fuel lines and others odds and ends.

I'm not out to start fights or anything so don’t .. I’m actually after just the opposite I’ve got so many projects going on I kind of needed some shops as alias for parts and recommendations.

Right now I’m currently building;
My truck of coarse
55 chevy first series pickup, frame off IFS 4 link rear, built lq9, 4l80E etc etc
stock floor body dropped crew cab long bed S10 with a Lq4 6L, 4l80E and later turbo
3500 silverado built a strong 6.5L turbo diesel 300+HP 600+ftlbs tq 20+ MPG at almost 7000lbs

and ontop of that I’ve got random BS of extended families cars.. broken timing belts on KIA’s.. (someone kill me ).

 

[brock1949]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

guess what,...... these fools are mis-informed, and feeding you full of bullshit!!

talk to e-rue, or myself. we are both well versed in using e-85 in everything from a dd to a syclone.

i used e-85 for 3 plus years in my 97 s-10 SS, with a PLASTIC TANK out of a 2000 xtreme.

i also have 3 1/2 plus years of use in a factory metal tank. with the stock pump, in a 92 4x4 jimmy.

so many people spread so much false information around about e-85, because they heard form thier 2nd cousin twice removed:rotf: that "e-85 blew up thier motor," or "my fuel pump was ruined by e-85", or "it ate my fuel lines, and clogged my injectors":roll:

suddenly they become experts on the subject, without one stich of reasearch on thier part.:rant:
go with whatever tank you want.

studies were done, and the only thing they could find was a little "carbon tracking" in the fuel pump.:2cents:

Well i bought a aluminum fuel cell awhile ago and unless i can get it anodized cheap somewhere i'm probably not going to run it. I was thinking about using a poly RCI or summit tank but summit says no. I still have the stock tank in the truck but i was hoping to move it to a fuel cell in the bed with a sump setup. I would sump the stock tank but its that long skinny one and i don't think i can. Hoping to take care of this fuel tank thing for 200-350 bucks with a sending unit but i'm flexible. Whats the best fuel lines to run, i planned on running normal braided stainless steel lines but i'm not sure what type of lines would be the best.

I did read that the corrision problems with E85 was the water the fuel pulls in rusting stuff not so much the E85 eating stuff.

 

[attackdog]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

I thought E-85 could only be used in 2004 and up vehicles that were setup for flex fuel? Am I missing something? I have a 2001 Yukon and wouldn't mind running E-85. Thanks.
-Dean

 

[E-Rue]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

id have gladly helped you with injectors if you wanted to order a set. you wanted me to size injectors for you based on fuel type and hp numbers. this is also a question that i have answered several times for you already. iv already spent upwards of 2 hours on the phone with you answering your questions about your build. in this thread you ask people about injectors for 500-600rwhp and there seem to be a huge focus on price.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54825

im sorry i ran out of patience with you when you continued to try to jew me on the price of a turbo over and over and over, but as you can probably tell i dont have a ton of patience. the guys that sell the parts extreemly cheap will not help you with your build, or are not able to help you because they dont know. yes i know what im doing but that doesnt mean im willing to spil my guts to everone that ownes a telephone. if you need help with something you are buying from me then im more than willing to help you to make sure you get the correct part. no matter what your calling for, if your not ready to place an order then im sorry but i dont have time/patience to talk about your truck. the exception to that is if your having trouble with something i sold you. its not that i dont enjoy the syty world but can you imagine how often people call me to talk about their builds? you are 100% correct in having asked me about all the parts you needed before you bought them, but you never bought any of the parts you were asking about from me. just curious....where did you buy them?


heres another thread about basically the same thing......another exploration in what injectors you need to use, and who has the cheapest prices. i tried to help you in the thread and again when you called and spent about 40min on the phone with me talking about your build and how much power it was gonna make and how it needed to do it on high Z injectors.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54893

if you want to buy some injectors...... great, ill help you estimate how much HP they are capable of based on teh fuel type you want to use, and keep you from buying something that wont work for you. otherwise i dont have time to talk shop with you for hours on end....... im busy building cars, fabricating parts, spending time with my family, and working a day job. as far as me hanging up on you when you call........ if im busy welding, or im under a truck when you call, then i hit the ignore button on my phone. if you continue to call over and over and over again thinking that eventually i will pick up the phone......... you are correct, eventually im gonna pick up the phone and say something rude. LEAVE A MESSAGE AND ILL CALL YOU BACK AS SOON AS I CAN. it seems pretty obvious that i cant talk to 2 customers at once, and i cant talk about your injectors while im welding....... surely you have times when you cant talk either. ever had someone call you when your on the crapper? did you take the call? i sure hope not.

e

 

[Bad Ass Black Trucks]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

guess what,...... these fools are mis-informed, and feeding you full of bullshit!!
talk to e-rue, or myself. we are both well versed in using e-85 in everything from a dd to a syclone.
i used e-85 for 3 plus years in my 97 s-10 SS, with a PLASTIC TANK out of a 2000 xtreme.
i also have 3 1/2 plus years of use in a factory metal tank. with the stock pump, in a 92 4x4 jimmy.
so many people spread so much false information around about e-85, because they heard form thier 2nd cousin twice removed:rotf: that "e-85 blew up thier motor," or "my fuel pump was ruined by e-85", or "it ate my fuel lines, and clogged my injectors":roll:
suddenly they become experts on the subject, without one stich of reasearch on thier part.:rant:
go with whatever tank you want.
studies were done, and the only thing they could find was a little "carbon tracking" in the fuel pump.:2cents:

I am a degree chemist and materials engineering graduate student so this is no word of mouth information. Alcohol (Meth, eth, prop, but....etc...anol) are all mildly corrosive. On aluminum, oxidation, or "white rust" is accelerated by alcohols. This is particularly true at elevated temperatures. There are many polymers or "plastics" that are mildly soluble in alcohols, but this depends largely on the polarity of the molecules (I'll stop there). What does that mean? Since it is mildly corosive and is a weak solvent it would take a good while for you to see an affect on aluminum and most plastics.

Now to answer the question, can it damage my engine? Potentially, yes. Is it likely? Probably not in the short term. The OEM's, however, have changed some the materials used in E85 ready vehicles. Why they tell you that running E-85 may not be a good idea in your vehicle? Because they don't know if you have any one single componenet in your fuel system that could be damaged easily by the increased alcohol content. I say increased alcohol content because E-10 is usually dispensed from your gas pump whether you know it or not.

Have I ever had problems with alcohol? Yes. I was having trouble with a rich condition in my freshly built 383 C.I. LT4 motor. I was very confused because everything was setup properly and it had been running quite well. I found the problem when I went to adjust the fuel pressure on my 2 week old aeromotive FPR. There was fuel in the vacuum reference line. Apparently the diaphragm wasn't designed to stand up to alcohols, even the low amounts found in E10. It had partially dissolved and was allowing excess fuel into the manifold through the vacuum line.

 

[brock1949]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

I am a degree chemist and materials engineering graduate student so this is no word of mouth information. Alcohol (Meth, eth, prop, but....etc...anol) are all mildly corrosive. On aluminum, oxidation, or "white rust" is accelerated by alcohols. This is particularly true at elevated temperatures. There are many polymers or "plastics" that are mildly soluble in alcohols, but this depends largely on the polarity of the molecules (I'll stop there). What does that mean? Since it is mildly corosive and is a weak solvent it would take a good while for you to see an affect on aluminum and most plastics.

Now to answer the question, can it damage my engine? Potentially, yes. Is it likely? Probably not in the short term. The OEM's, however, have changed some the materials used in E85 ready vehicles. Why they tell you that running E-85 may not be a good idea in your vehicle? Because they don't know if you have any one single componenet in your fuel system that could be damaged easily by the increased alcohol content. I say increased alcohol content because E-10 is usually dispensed from your gas pump whether you know it or not.

Have I ever had problems with alcohol? Yes. I was having trouble with a rich condition in my freshly built 383 C.I. LT4 motor. I was very confused because everything was setup properly and it had been running quite well. I found the problem when I went to adjust the fuel pressure on my 2 week old aeromotive FPR. There was fuel in the vacuum reference line. Apparently the diaphragm wasn't designed to stand up to alcohols, even the low amounts found in E10. It had partially dissolved and was allowing excess fuel into the manifold through the vacuum line.

See thats kinda what i was wondering, i guess i need to search a bunch of parts on flex fuel vehicles.. tanks etc on car that have a option of either or and see if GM actually switched out allot of parts. I just want to make sure if i get hooked on E85 i won't be dumping more money in it down the road. Thanks again

 

[brock1949]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

id have gladly helped you with injectors if you wanted to order a set. you wanted me to size injectors for you based on fuel type and hp numbers. this is also a question that i have answered several times for you already. iv already spent upwards of 2 hours on the phone with you answering your questions about your build. in this thread you ask people about injectors for 500-600rwhp and there seem to be a huge focus on price.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54825

I'm not going to spend much time on this whole back and forth thing and actually from here just PM me i hate when threads get slammed with this kinda off topic stuff its not fair to anyone.

but couple things on this one,..
The price concern was paying 600+ dollars for 75lb HIGH Z injectors, i just thought it was stupid on my part to spend 600+ on high Z injectors..though someone had to be handling them cheaper.The problem with the price was not shortage of money it was not feeling it was worth it.. rip off in general. I was planning on running a STOCK ls1 PCM (high Z only) that a local shop was going to do the wiring and tunning but the guy who did the harness's for them was out of state and he pretty much told me he thought he would mess up the harness without seeing the truck..

So then I switched and was looking at Accel DFI, FAST, and Big stuff.. I have a 4l60E now, i want a 4l80E and only one easily supported that. Big stuff 3, So there it is sitting about 10 ft away sitting on the floor right now.

Now that i'm in the market for Low impd injectors I'm not really worried about the 20-50 dollar difference between vendors.

im sorry i ran out of patience with you when you continued to try to jew me on the price of a turbo over and over and over, but as you can probably tell i dont have a ton of patience. the guys that sell the parts extreemly cheap will not help you with your build, or are not able to help you because they dont know. yes i know what im doing but that doesnt mean im willing to spil my guts to everone that ownes a telephone. if you need help with something you are buying from me then im more than willing to help you to make sure you get the correct part. no matter what your calling for, if your not ready to place an order then im sorry but i dont have time/patience to talk about your truck. the exception to that is if your having trouble with something i sold you. its not that i dont enjoy the syty world but can you imagine how often people call me to talk about their builds? you are 100% correct in having asked me about all the parts you needed before you bought them, but you never bought any of the parts you were asking about from me. just curious....where did you buy them?

I figure this one i needed to clear it up again, So everyone knows I didn't just call in and ask him to drop the price on a Brand new turbo he had listed on his site. When asking which new turbo to run he offered me a used turbo that had been rocked on someone's truck from engine problems then rebuilt. I had no problem buying a rebuilt turbo even more so when he told me he semi got screwed on the deal and was trying to sell it off, I owned a consulting company for 7+ years I know the feeling. I only asked if he could do any better on it because he was offering a BB turbo close size but smaller for the same price.

And again i don't want to get into who i've used but you told me you don't handle big stuff or aeromotive and i've sunk a small fortune in them and i'm getting ready to do it again in the 55 chevy.

heres another thread about basically the same thing......another exploration in what injectors you need to use, and who has the cheapest prices. i tried to help you in the thread and again when you called and spent about 40min on the phone with me talking about your build and how much power it was gonna make and how it needed to do it on high Z injectors.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54893

if you want to buy some injectors...... great, ill help you estimate how much HP they are capable of based on teh fuel type you want to use, and keep you from buying something that wont work for you. otherwise i dont have time to talk shop with you for hours on end....... im busy building cars, fabricating parts, spending time with my family, and working a day job. as far as me hanging up on you when you call........ if im busy welding, or im under a truck when you call, then i hit the ignore button on my phone. if you continue to call over and over and over again thinking that eventually i will pick up the phone......... you are correct, eventually im gonna pick up the phone and say something rude. LEAVE A MESSAGE AND ILL CALL YOU BACK AS SOON AS I CAN. it seems pretty obvious that i cant talk to 2 customers at once, and i cant talk about your injectors while im welding....... surely you have times when you cant talk either. ever had someone call you when your on the crapper? did you take the call? i sure hope not.

e

Again I called twice one night planning to leave a message but someone kept picking up and hanging up so voice mail never came up, then i called the next day. Not like i was stalking you to hand off my money. And on this one i don't feel much for ya either.. i've been carring a cell phone 24x7 taking support calls for clients for over nearly 10 years. And ya when clients are calling me i've answered and or worked for them everywhere you can think of.. vacations, holidays, birthdays, out of state whatever. But that was my main and only source of income.

 

[brock1949]

Re: E85.. what fuel tank can hold it

guess what,...... these fools are mis-informed, and feeding you full of bullshit!!

talk to e-rue, or myself. we are both well versed in using e-85 in everything from a dd to a syclone.

i used e-85 for 3 plus years in my 97 s-10 SS, with a PLASTIC TANK out of a 2000 xtreme.

i also have 3 1/2 plus years of use in a factory metal tank. with the stock pump, in a 92 4x4 jimmy.

so many people spread so much false information around about e-85, because they heard form thier 2nd cousin twice removed:rotf: that "e-85 blew up thier motor," or "my fuel pump was ruined by e-85", or "it ate my fuel lines, and clogged my injectors":roll:

suddenly they become experts on the subject, without one stich of reasearch on thier part.:rant:
go with whatever tank you want.

studies were done, and the only thing they could find was a little "carbon tracking" in the fuel pump.:2cents:

I got it handled now, I finally heard back from a freind of a freind of mine thats a engineer at a local university. I knew he's part of their race teams that built E85, Meth, etc powered cars. He said plastics will fail but it takes a long time and depends on compounds etc. He said hands down run all as much aluminum as possible and get it anodized. Said anodized aluminum is about as tough as you can get easily and cheap. Gave me the people they used and they already quoted me 50 bucks to coat my tank inside and out clear or said color for another 10-20 bucks. I asked about having fuel rails done, intake, plenum and acc brackets (tired of them looking like crap after trucks parked outside for any period.) He said i can fill his tank 2.5x2.5x4Ft with any color for 90-100 bucks. I guess its the hard coating you can't do at room temp and its over .0005 thick.