Calling all External Gate runners

BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
My external should be showing up tomorrow. Can't wait to get the boost consistency back. It's about time.

Been doing countless SEARCHES and can't seem to find a lot of material in regards to what I actually want to do which is weld the actuator ARM itself. Seen the SYTYARCHIVES article which helps. Not really to keen on wiring the arm as I hear it's not 100% guaranteed to permanently keep the internal gate from creeping open. Don't really want to pull the turbo off and have my guy weld the internal puck because that seems a bit more time consuming. And adjusting the rod doesn't really seem like anyone does.

For those of you that have actually welded the arm....

How easy is it to have a welder get in there and do it?
Do I need to pull out the wheel well? Once the arm is welded can I get rid of any of the other stuff to free up a little room? And on a side not do I really need to have a "dump tube" or can I just run the set up without one?

Anyone with pics of what they've done in the past would help. It seems like a pretty easy job but I'd rather take it from the guys that have already done it so I don't run into any headaches along the way. Yeah...that'll happen!
 
nallj92

nallj92

Active member
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

I would just weld it closed. You should be able to keep the arm tight and throw a couple tack welds on the shaft to the housing and hold it fine.
 
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Jkanser

New member
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

I would see this as a perfect opportunity to move to a non-internally gated turbo. You can tack it closed by removing the entire exhaust housing but why complicate it? Just a thought.
 
RealFastV6

RealFastV6

@jb_and_his_coffee
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Jkanser said:
I would see this as a perfect opportunity to move to a non-internally gated turbo. You can tack it closed by removing the entire exhaust housing but why complicate it? Just a thought.
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BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Jkanser said:
I would see this as a perfect opportunity to move to a non-internally gated turbo. You can tack it closed by removing the entire exhaust housing but why complicate it? Just a thought.
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What's so complicating about tack welding the actuator arm? :/
 
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Ross L

Member
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

IMO wiring it somehow should work. Even *if* it leaks some it shouldn't matter. The external gate will maintain whatever boost you set it at. The external gate doesn't care:2cents:
 
BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Ross L said:
IMO wiring it somehow should work. Even *if* it leaks some it shouldn't matter. The external gate will maintain whatever boost you set it at. The external gate doesn't care:2cents:
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Yeah the gate doesn't care you're right. But, I do.

Lose a couple races from nothing other than stuck/sticking wastegate or go to the track and have your truck fall on it's face....Then chances are you'll care a whole lot. :)

Trucks been parked for a year cause it's not even worth taking out when internal gives me problems. Whether one guy says the wiring was only a temporary solution or 50 guys say it. I'm not gonna hop in this truck and have the mindset "well, I hope that wastegate doesn't give me problems today." Why?

Anything worth doing is worth doing right. Just my .02
 
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Ross L

Member
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

why is your truck "falling on its face" at the track? Overboost?
so pull the turbo and weld the actuator arn if its worth doing right:tup:
 
BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Ross L said:
why is your truck "falling on its face" at the track? Overboost?
so pull the turbo and weld the actuator arn if its worth doing right:tup:
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Yeah truck was running 12.80's like clockwork for a good 4-6 months straight. Then one day at the track the boost just started jumping all over the place. The thing "couldn't pull a sick whore off a piss pot". Pretty damn frustrating considering the bottom end is damn near bulletproof now. Tune is really about as solid as it could be. Just nothing but overboosting. It's like having a supermodel for a girlfriend but the only problem is she's cross-eyed...
 
GEMELLI

GEMELLI

The Best of Both Worlds
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Ross L said:
why is your truck "falling on its face" at the track? Overboost?
so pull the turbo and weld the actuator arn if its worth doing right:tup:
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BLACK92TY said:
Yeah truck was running 12.80's like clockwork for a good 4-6 months straight. Then one day at the track the boost just started jumping all over the place. The thing "couldn't pull a sick whore off a piss pot". Pretty damn frustrating considering the bottom end is damn near bulletproof now. Tune is really about as solid as it could be. Just nothing but overboosting. It's like having a supermodel for a girlfriend but the only problem is she's cross-eyed...
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I think you missed the point. If anything worth doing is worth doing right, do it right. Why so hardcore about it anyway? Is every race to the death?
 
BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

GEMELLI said:
I think you missed the point. If anything worth doing is worth doing right, do it right. Why so hardcore about it anyway? Is every race to the death?
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It's not about every race "being to the death" it's about being the death of my overboosting issue. Any feedback related to my questions would be appreciated.
 
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Jkanser

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Re: Calling all External Gate runners

BLACK92TY said:
What's so complicating about tack welding the actuator arm? :/
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I meant that on two levels. The first, why not do it right the first time and go with an externally gated turbo or exhaust housing. Also, why tack weld a perfectly good exhaust housing/actuator arm? Will it work, yes. But why do to the extreme of an external gate and keep the internal gate. Just doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own I suppose.
 
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2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Welding a moving part to make it not moveable is not "the right way"....it's a work around. Would you weld your rear diff if you wanted a locker? Same concept.

If you don't have the cash to swap to a non-gated turbo, and want to hold the internal gate shut. Wire it. Use some quality wire, and you'll be fine.

In other thoughts, if it was holing appropriate boost before, and now is not....Something changed in the boost control system. The waste gate didn't "go bad", something controlling it did. Why don't you "fix it right", and correct the problem instead of adding another part, and another piece to worry about?
 
BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Jkanser said:
I meant that on two levels. The first, why not do it right the first time and go with an externally gated turbo or exhaust housing. Also, why tack weld a perfectly good exhaust housing/actuator arm? Will it work, yes. But why do to the extreme of an external gate and keep the internal gate. Just doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own I suppose.
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Why do I have to explain myself? No offense, but I posted looking for advice from others that have done the same. Not for criticism. Does that make sense?

The truck is a freak of nature. The motor is done. Dig tuned this thing so well the factory turbo ain't gonna keep up. Thats a good problem to have, and I'm okay with that. To my understanding a lot of guys are running an external gate even with a factory turbo. If they weren't, and the mod was "so extreme" then why would it be in the sytyarchives vault?

It's a cheap, safe, reasonable solution for the issues I'm having which is the boost creep.

If I wanted to spend $1k on a new turbo I would. Then I'd need a converter. Then I'd need an A2A. There's another grand. Truck doesnt even have headers either. Get where I'm coming from?

The WG cost me $300. The other mods will come when I got the extra dough.

Seems to me most guys on here would probably do the same versus just slapping a turbo on just to say the have an external gate. That seems more extreme than the route I'm taking.
 
Aeroking

Aeroking

e.i.
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

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mine was very loud. i only kept it on for a couple months, then switch to a external downpipe.

why couldn't you run both stock and external wastegates off of the same controller. are you using the stock boost solenoid?
 
BLACK92TY

BLACK92TY

It's never enough
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

Aeroking said:
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mine was very loud. i only kept it on for a couple months, then switch to a external downpipe.

why couldn't you run both stock and external wastegates off of the same controller. are you using the stock boost solenoid?
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Pretty sure we're still running the stock boost solenoid.
 
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Jkanser

New member
Re: Calling all External Gate runners

BLACK92TY said:
Why do I have to explain myself? No offense, but I posted looking for advice from others that have done the same. Not for criticism. Does that make sense?

The truck is a freak of nature. The motor is done. Dig tuned this thing so well the factory turbo ain't gonna keep up. Thats a good problem to have, and I'm okay with that. To my understanding a lot of guys are running an external gate even with a factory turbo. If they weren't, and the mod was "so extreme" then why would it be in the sytyarchives vault?

It's a cheap, safe, reasonable solution for the issues I'm having which is the boost creep.

If I wanted to spend $1k on a new turbo I would. Then I'd need a converter. Then I'd need an A2A. There's another grand. Truck doesnt even have headers either. Get where I'm coming from?

The WG cost me $300. The other mods will come when I got the extra dough.

Seems to me most guys on here would probably do the same versus just slapping a turbo on just to say the have an external gate. That seems more extreme than the route I'm taking.
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First, I hope you don't take my replies as criticism or anything other than trying to help you out. I've been working on forced induction motors going on almost 20 years now, so I am trying to lend you some assistance. If you are having boost creep issues then the external is a band-aid for the issue rather than fixing the problem. I have a built motor and absolutely zero boost creep running the internal wastegate. You're wastegate actuator is either misadjusted or you need to port the wastegate opening.

Next, you wouldn't need an A2A with an upgraded turbo. In fact, your charged air on a larger turbo isn't compressed/hot as the stock turbo so the air/water is cooling more efficiently until you get above 20psi.

With regards to a cheap/safe solution to your problem, a $300 external wastegate isn't the fix. Properly adjusting the WG is free and porting the wastegate is free with the right tools, or ~$50 for a larger flapper door. Regardless good luck in your endeavours and I hope it all works out!
 
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