Question about new vortec long block

typhoonesq

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Re: Question about new vortec long block

what is your budjet, and REALISTIC timeslip goals??

Originally I was looking to spend $2500 to rebuild my engine with 4 bolt mains, new forged pistons, rods, machine work etc.... Realistic :)roll:)? Spend another $1500 or so on vortec heads and the list goes on......

That same money will buy me a BRAND NEW 4.3 vortec long block from GM with vortec heads on it already and warranty. Add cam, mod the pan, add a new starter and off I go (tuned of course).

I'd like to run lower 12's or high 11's which does not seem realistic? The truck will get some (rare) track time, but mostly street time (light to light stuff). Build a tried and true motor and spend the extra $$$ or risk it on vortec power plant????
 

typhoonesq

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Re: Question about new vortec long block

Originally I was looking to spend $2500 to rebuild my engine with 4 bolt mains, new forged pistons, rods, machine work etc.... Realistic ()? Spend another $1500 or so on vortec heads and the list goes on......

That same money will buy me a BRAND NEW 4.3 vortec long block from GM with vortec heads on it already and warranty. Add cam, mod the pan, add a new starter and off I go (tuned of course).

I'd like to run lower 12's or high 11's which does not seem realistic? The truck will get some (rare) track time, but mostly street time (light to light stuff). Build a tried and true motor and spend the extra $$$ or risk it on vortec power plant????
 

supersports10

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Re: Question about new vortec long block

Good point, I hadn’t considered the better air/fuel mixture due to the “Vortec” created in the combustion chamber. Though, if time and funds permit I would still change the pistons due to two reasons: first being the higher compression, and second if the Vortec did come w/ hypereutectic pistons as Supersports10 mentioned (I don’t believe they did…) they are a very bad idea in a turbocharged application. The extra silicone in the hypereutectic pistons decreases there resistance to the thermal loads in turbocharged engines. This knowledge comes from Ed Peters, a retired Chrysler failure analysis engineer who did a study of hypereutectic pistons.

our factory sy/ty motors have hyperutectic pistons. standard lb4 motors and l35 motors had cast pistons.

PISTONS
There have been five different pistons used in the 262 along with two versions of the lightweight piston.

1) The original, heavy piston used in the 262 was the same as the one that was used in the 350 V8 except that the pin boss was opened up slightly for the offset rod. It weighed about 745 grams with the pin and had a 9.1:1 compression ratio. It was used in all of the light duty engines without the balance shaft from ’85 through ’94 and in the VIN "Z" balance shaft motors from ’93 through part of ’95.


The parts catalog identifies the ’95 VIN "Z" engines with this heavy piston as the "second design" version even though they were built during the first part of the year. They will have one of the following engine codes: ALH, ALA, ALB, ALC, ALD, ALF, ALH, ALJ, ALL, ALP, ALS, AJS, AJT, AJW and AJU.

2) The lightweight piston weighs about 675 grams with a pin. It was used in all the high output, balance shaft engines (VIN "W") from ’92 through ’98 and in all the VIN "X" engines from ’96 through ’98. It was also used in the "first design" VIN "Z" engines that were built during the latter part of model year ’95, including those with the following engine codes: AAB, AAC, AAF, AAJ, AAK, AAL, AAP, AAS, AAW, AFC, AFD, AHC and AHD.

The lightweight piston was originally a Mahle, full-round design (p/n 2753), but GM switched to its own "RPM" (Revised Permanent Mold) design with a short slipper skirt and a narrower pin boss in ’95. Both of these pistons have very short skirts, so the clearance must be right or they tend to make noise at startup.

3) There was a heavy duty engine offered for trucks and vans with over 8500 GVW from ’89 through ’95. It used a heavy duty, Zollner piston that had an 8.3:1 compression ratio and weighed the same as the regular heavy piston.

4) There was also a high output, VIN "B" (LU2) engine offered in the Astro van in ’90 and ’91. It used a special, hypereutectic, strutless piston that is available from GM under p/n 10181389 in standard, or from Zollner as a H-8269-D. It weighs about 745 grams, just like the rest of the heavy pistons.

5) There was one more piston used in the 262. It’s a low compression (8.6:1), strutless, hypereutectic piston with a deeper dish that was used in the turbocharged Syclones and Typhoons from ’91 through ’93. The OEM standard piston is p/n 12508702 and the Zollner number is a H-8269-E.

All of these pistons are specific to the application, so they should not be interchanged. Building an engine with pistons that have the wrong weight or compression ratio will guarantee a comeback, so it’s better to play by the book.
 

UR50SLO

V6+2=LSXCamaro
Re: Question about new vortec long block

We are running a almost 160,000mi 98 Jimmy engine with Marine intake and stock sy/ty turbo setup with a front mount. Been on there almost 20,000mi now with 10psi and no knock.
It's the wife's daily driver. So thumbs up on a stock long block IMHOP. :)
On a side note.. the forged pistons will handle more knock than a similar design hyper or cast but they all melt at the same temperature.
The first ring/ring pack being lower is a nice attribute to a aftermarket piston.
I don't think there's anything wrong with 9-1 for a turbo engine with a decent combustion chamber.
Darn why don't they make a cheap allum. head?

I think you'd be able to get closer to your goals with a bigger turbo and front mount IC.
~Scott
 

typhoonesq

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Re: Question about new vortec long block

We are running a almost 160,000mi 98 Jimmy engine with Marine intake and stock sy/ty turbo setup with a front mount. Been on there almost 20,000mi now with 10psi and no knock.
It's the wife's daily driver. So thumbs up on a stock long block IMHOP. :)
On a side note.. the forged pistons will handle more knock than a similar design hyper or cast but they all melt at the same temperature.
The first ring/ring pack being lower is a nice attribute to a aftermarket piston.
I don't think there's anything wrong with 9-1 for a turbo engine with a decent combustion chamber.
Darn why don't they make a cheap allum. head?

I think you'd be able to get closer to your goals with a bigger turbo and front mount IC.
~Scott

Well at this point i'm going to getting that Vortec and carefully tuning it. Should be interesting. Stay tuned.
 
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