Raist103
Engine Killer, iPhone Killer, Lawnmower Killer
Before I sart I know it is very very long but it is needed for the truth.
Lets try to set some things clear. I sold many things to turbotyaz, including a complete duel nozzle alky kit, a 3” gutted cat, a upper intake jet hot coated in thermo silver, a lower intake jet hot coated in thermo silver and modded for vortec heads both intakes are port matched to gaskets, and a set of vortec heads with springs. I had heads built my mike renz guy back in the day for around $1200, the lower intake is worth about $400-$600 modded and coated, the upper I would say $250-350, the alky $550, gutted cat $70-80. so add it up I sold a lot of stuff for a VERY cheap price. $1300 for everything.
The way it went down was,
I spoke to him about the alky and cat that he wanted. While talking to him he asked me about the heads and intakes. “KEY NOTE” I told him the motor was not apart yet and did not know what happened only that it broke for sure and made noise and smoked. So I told him up front he was buying parts from a broke, blown up motor that I did not know what was wrong, he told me ok let me think about it. Then he sent me a pm asking me to call him back either that day or the next and said I thought about it and heads are going to cost me a lot of money $1200+ and this could save me a bunch, I said ok let me get everything off it could be a couple days. Once I got everything off it looked ok but I DID NOT send them out to be checked they looked good when I sent them. I don’t ever remember him asking me to ship them with insurance, but he could have. “KEY NOTE” I did ship them insured for what they sold for $500 and I sent the intake and insured it for. I sent the heads in one box and insured it for $300 and the intake in another box. More on this later.
A couple days later I get an angry email saying the heads are broke and I stripped a bolt hole in the upper intake. Again I sold these items with him knowing what he paid for parts from a blown up motor that I did not have checked out. I told him send the intake back or have it tapped, it can not cost more then maybe $20 for any shop to do it or I would do it for him if he shipped it back. I never heard anything more about that so I assumed he fixed it or over tightened it himself, whatever that is done with. So on to the heads I ask for pics I have before pics on the block but can not find the ones I took off the block either way the pic he sends does have a piece broke off in the corner a small piece I did not think would be a big deal to weld up, but do things in the right order I told him give me some time to see what ups will do since I did pay extra for the insurance. “to me I don’t know if it happen in shipping or not, it was not broke when I had it or when I boxed it and don’t know how it could have broke in shipping unless the box was dropped.” After speaking to the ups store they filed a claim and sent a guy to his house to have them checked out and took them with them back to ups. He said and kept saying to me ups is not going to cover it because of the way it was shipped which is a bunch of bull I know how I shipped them and maybe 2 in the same box was not the best idea I have ever had but, I had carpet, cardboard plus I had them in separate bags. Unless they got dropped they would not have broke from moving around in the the ups truck. Well after stopping in the ups store with another board member who heard the response from the manager himself the claim was denied because of “no damage found” NOT from packaging issues. I refilled the claim and have yet to hear anything. Whatever the case I told him it was not going to be covered and I am going to have to come out of pocket. So I dropped them off to mike renz on the way to home coming so the man who built them could see if they could be repaired. Come to find out he said he would not repair them but he would sell me a BRAND NEW head and do the same work done to it “3 angle valve job, new valves as needed on both heads for $375. “KEY NOTE” I pm’ed turbotyaz back and let him know it was going to cost $375 to fix the heads and asked him what do you want me to do? I NEVER ASKED HIM ONCE TO PAY FOR THE HEAD REPAIR. He replied back JUST SEND ME THE $500 BACK. So at this point I said I can not do that I sold you the heads and lower intake for a killer deal off $500, not just the heads plus the lower intake alone is worth $500. This is where things get ugly on his end. He replies to me ok send me $400 back then. So I think to myself, again this was for used parts on a blown up engine but I don’t think $100 is a fair amount to be out on a coated modded lower intake. So I come back with I think $250 is fair and we will meet in the middle. No no no the only response I get back is “pay up the $400 or give me the entire $1500” he sent me for shipping and parts. So I tell him the truth of what is going on in my life and how I am not working right now and don’t have the $1300 or $1500 to send back. So I give him 5-6 different fair ways to pay him back or ask him to give me some time to come up with $250 for him, “KEY NOTE” none of the 5-6 ways included him paying for shipping for the items back like he says. Again he says in another pm, pay up $400 or give me all my money back. This went on 3 or 4 times with him not budging and me not budging since I think I am being as fair as possible so instead of arguing I say I am done with this I gave my options on what I can do “all of which are fair and I spoke to a couple board members to see that I was being fair and not a dicx all I am being more then fair.
So this is where things get uglier. I get a neg feedback trading and a pm, ok send me the $250 and $55 that he thinks I did not spend on shipping “how he got this number I don’t know I spent $185 on shipping plus time and gas. I also got a nasty post in the lounge telling nothing but how he is getting robbed by me. So I reply to the pm about 3-4 days later send me your paypal “since I was angry at the way he handled things and did not want to say what I felt about him at this point I waited the couple days”. “I want to be able to have proof that I sent money to him is why I asked for paypal and not his address” about 2 weeks later I get a pm only stating his address. NOT what I asked for. Again I am not being a pain here but I told him if he wanted money to send me his paypal link. So a week goes by and I get another neg feedback trader rating for the same thing from him. At this point I am tired of his kid like games and tell him “I am done with him and forget any moneys he thinks he is owed.” Since he got a killer deal on what he still has anyways. My girl and I both said f him he is being a childish, uncooperative kid. Plus you don’t just go around trying to deface a person’s character and kill my rep on the board so I can never sell things again.
This is what it boils down to if you guys think I owe him the $250 I will pay I am not a dicx I am willing to work things out even when he is not. Although after all the crap he pulled I don’t think I owe him anything or maybe $100 so he can say I paid $400 for a coated modded lower intake which is still a good deal.
Sorry for the long thread but please read it all and post your thoughts on what I should do
Lets try to set some things clear. I sold many things to turbotyaz, including a complete duel nozzle alky kit, a 3” gutted cat, a upper intake jet hot coated in thermo silver, a lower intake jet hot coated in thermo silver and modded for vortec heads both intakes are port matched to gaskets, and a set of vortec heads with springs. I had heads built my mike renz guy back in the day for around $1200, the lower intake is worth about $400-$600 modded and coated, the upper I would say $250-350, the alky $550, gutted cat $70-80. so add it up I sold a lot of stuff for a VERY cheap price. $1300 for everything.
The way it went down was,
I spoke to him about the alky and cat that he wanted. While talking to him he asked me about the heads and intakes. “KEY NOTE” I told him the motor was not apart yet and did not know what happened only that it broke for sure and made noise and smoked. So I told him up front he was buying parts from a broke, blown up motor that I did not know what was wrong, he told me ok let me think about it. Then he sent me a pm asking me to call him back either that day or the next and said I thought about it and heads are going to cost me a lot of money $1200+ and this could save me a bunch, I said ok let me get everything off it could be a couple days. Once I got everything off it looked ok but I DID NOT send them out to be checked they looked good when I sent them. I don’t ever remember him asking me to ship them with insurance, but he could have. “KEY NOTE” I did ship them insured for what they sold for $500 and I sent the intake and insured it for. I sent the heads in one box and insured it for $300 and the intake in another box. More on this later.
A couple days later I get an angry email saying the heads are broke and I stripped a bolt hole in the upper intake. Again I sold these items with him knowing what he paid for parts from a blown up motor that I did not have checked out. I told him send the intake back or have it tapped, it can not cost more then maybe $20 for any shop to do it or I would do it for him if he shipped it back. I never heard anything more about that so I assumed he fixed it or over tightened it himself, whatever that is done with. So on to the heads I ask for pics I have before pics on the block but can not find the ones I took off the block either way the pic he sends does have a piece broke off in the corner a small piece I did not think would be a big deal to weld up, but do things in the right order I told him give me some time to see what ups will do since I did pay extra for the insurance. “to me I don’t know if it happen in shipping or not, it was not broke when I had it or when I boxed it and don’t know how it could have broke in shipping unless the box was dropped.” After speaking to the ups store they filed a claim and sent a guy to his house to have them checked out and took them with them back to ups. He said and kept saying to me ups is not going to cover it because of the way it was shipped which is a bunch of bull I know how I shipped them and maybe 2 in the same box was not the best idea I have ever had but, I had carpet, cardboard plus I had them in separate bags. Unless they got dropped they would not have broke from moving around in the the ups truck. Well after stopping in the ups store with another board member who heard the response from the manager himself the claim was denied because of “no damage found” NOT from packaging issues. I refilled the claim and have yet to hear anything. Whatever the case I told him it was not going to be covered and I am going to have to come out of pocket. So I dropped them off to mike renz on the way to home coming so the man who built them could see if they could be repaired. Come to find out he said he would not repair them but he would sell me a BRAND NEW head and do the same work done to it “3 angle valve job, new valves as needed on both heads for $375. “KEY NOTE” I pm’ed turbotyaz back and let him know it was going to cost $375 to fix the heads and asked him what do you want me to do? I NEVER ASKED HIM ONCE TO PAY FOR THE HEAD REPAIR. He replied back JUST SEND ME THE $500 BACK. So at this point I said I can not do that I sold you the heads and lower intake for a killer deal off $500, not just the heads plus the lower intake alone is worth $500. This is where things get ugly on his end. He replies to me ok send me $400 back then. So I think to myself, again this was for used parts on a blown up engine but I don’t think $100 is a fair amount to be out on a coated modded lower intake. So I come back with I think $250 is fair and we will meet in the middle. No no no the only response I get back is “pay up the $400 or give me the entire $1500” he sent me for shipping and parts. So I tell him the truth of what is going on in my life and how I am not working right now and don’t have the $1300 or $1500 to send back. So I give him 5-6 different fair ways to pay him back or ask him to give me some time to come up with $250 for him, “KEY NOTE” none of the 5-6 ways included him paying for shipping for the items back like he says. Again he says in another pm, pay up $400 or give me all my money back. This went on 3 or 4 times with him not budging and me not budging since I think I am being as fair as possible so instead of arguing I say I am done with this I gave my options on what I can do “all of which are fair and I spoke to a couple board members to see that I was being fair and not a dicx all I am being more then fair.
So this is where things get uglier. I get a neg feedback trading and a pm, ok send me the $250 and $55 that he thinks I did not spend on shipping “how he got this number I don’t know I spent $185 on shipping plus time and gas. I also got a nasty post in the lounge telling nothing but how he is getting robbed by me. So I reply to the pm about 3-4 days later send me your paypal “since I was angry at the way he handled things and did not want to say what I felt about him at this point I waited the couple days”. “I want to be able to have proof that I sent money to him is why I asked for paypal and not his address” about 2 weeks later I get a pm only stating his address. NOT what I asked for. Again I am not being a pain here but I told him if he wanted money to send me his paypal link. So a week goes by and I get another neg feedback trader rating for the same thing from him. At this point I am tired of his kid like games and tell him “I am done with him and forget any moneys he thinks he is owed.” Since he got a killer deal on what he still has anyways. My girl and I both said f him he is being a childish, uncooperative kid. Plus you don’t just go around trying to deface a person’s character and kill my rep on the board so I can never sell things again.
This is what it boils down to if you guys think I owe him the $250 I will pay I am not a dicx I am willing to work things out even when he is not. Although after all the crap he pulled I don’t think I owe him anything or maybe $100 so he can say I paid $400 for a coated modded lower intake which is still a good deal.
Sorry for the long thread but please read it all and post your thoughts on what I should do
- send him nothing
- send him $100
- send him the $250 he wanted which I don’t think he deserves
