Interest In New Products

[Xplicit Racing Design]

Well ive been sittin down thinkin about things lately and wanna start getting serious about making more performance parts for these pigs... here are a few things i was thinking about and all i wanna know is how much interest ill have if i do go thru with everything


1- Tubular front and rear bumper cover supports, i fabricated one out of chromoly tubing that still retains factory mounting points to the frame and for blinkers/fog lights, this would obviously be for someone wanting to shed wieght without ANY worries of having a steel bumper in front or behind you
( off road use only wink wink)

2-Tubular bolt in tranny cooler mount that utilizes the factory CCHE mounting points, this would mean you would need to already have an A/A intercooler installed

3- Last but not least single turbo headers, these would semi replace the ATR's without the issues of burning plugs and cracking, im thinking of 1 5/8's and 1 3/4, but they would honestly be at LEAST double the cost of ATR's. if there is enough interest ill gather all the prices


so pretty much just give me some feedback and let me know what everyone thinks


thanks John S

 

[DanenGraham]

Re: Interest In New Products

How much weight would the front bumper remove???

 

[Raist103]

Re: Interest In New Products

headersd would be cool if they were half the price of atrs.. i can not even see spending 1k for a set of headewrs that should be at the most 400-600. anyways any parts would be great and thanks for stepping up and at least offering to do things like this.:tup:

 

[myclone]

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#1. Lighter moly supports would be cool IMO.
#2. Cool idea on this one also (I never thought of putting the trans cooler there).
#3. There are some ppl that would prolly step up to this one but I doubt you would retire wealthy selling them. Not trying to dampen your spirits but it seems that headers are one of the last things ppl take the plunge and buy due to cost and that there are ppl that are going pretty fast with the stock cast iron manifolds. Personally I hate the manifolds just due to the weight factor not to mention theyre ugly as hell no matter what you do to them.

Off the subject but something to think about... Come up with a "kit" of lines that mate with the factory fittings on the dryer/condensor to move the damn AC lines out of the way like over inside the pass fender. Same thing with a kit of pre bent rubber lines to neatly get the damn heater hoses out of the way (inside the fender too?). Just a thought :shrug:

 

[sy2185]

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alright!thanks for considering new perf. parts for the community, esp. seeing how this has turned out in the past(hey-I LOST $1200 in that Dunstan front end GP-no parts, callbacks,e-mails, NOTHING!). And thanks to others who are willing like I am to give everybody the benefit of the doubt as well as a chance.
As for the front bumper supprt- if the price is relative to what it is, and esp. if it adds any bumper adjustability, I'd take one.
No use for the trans cooler mount, but a great idea. how much would that limit the buyers choice of trans coolers? would all of the mounts have to run the same cooler?
As for the headers. I can't remember how much the ATR headers were, but double? I don't at all doubt the endless engineering and work each set will require, so I'm not saying they're a rip off, but even at say 2K, damn! I'd go for maybe $1600 with a downpipe, but with trucks in the 10s with stock manifolds, they'd need to be the ultimate in terms of fit/finish/materials and have to offer unbelievable plug access,routing, etc.It just sucks that since our market is so specialized and the header so complicated, we pay through the nose for headers. They're not on my short list now, or really anywhere on any list of mine, but there's always room for an exceptional part, regardless of cost(like DPT coil over front end was supposed to be).doesn't help that even stainless Borla's for most late model v-8s run around $850 and chep ass hookers, etc. can be had for $200.
Anyway, I'm done. Thanks again for thinking and keep 'em coming.
Jeremy
SY2185

Hey- dump the headers and do a sweet single core A/A priced in line with other kits and put it on the gp here on the board. I'm in. J

 

[scotts4]

Re: Interest In New Products

if the price was right and may be some adjustability i would be interested in some Tubular front and rear bumper cover supports. do you have any pics of you supports.

 

[sy2185]

Re: Interest In New Products

myclone get out of my head!

 

[Xplicit Racing Design]

Re: Interest In New Products

In my own opinion i would rather not get involved with the headers, ive been avoiding that very idea for years considering the price for materials, for example

3 V-bands- $200+
CNC Head flanges-100-200+
collectors-$400+
wastegate flanges-$40+

there is an idea of where the cost comes from, and thats not including the bends, straight tubing or labor

anyway back to the chromoly supports, ill snap a few pics tomorrow of the one on my truck for everyone

thanks for the feedback guys

John S

 

[MasterBlaster]

Re: Interest In New Products

3 V-bands- $200+
CNC Head flanges-100-200+
collectors-$400+
wastegate flanges-$40+


anyway back to the chromoly supports, ill snap a few pics tomorrow of the one on my truck for everyone

thanks for the feedback guys

John S

Are we using Burns Stainless? :lol: They are pricey but damn are they nice collectors and parts. No cracking there.



I was thinking the other day about the lightweight bumper supports (6 months deployed affords you lots of time to think). I have a mental list a mile long of stuff to start doing to my busted ass truck when I get home and this is on it. along with lifting up the steering wheel and sliding a new truck under it.

 

[ghettosled]

Re: Interest In New Products

I can bet those guys who have had problems with the ATR headers would pay $2k without blinking an eye if they never had to worry about pulling them on/off due to cracking/mediocre craftsmanship. Its a shame they are the only ones left who build bolt on single turbo headers for the sytys. Although minimal, I think there is a market for single turbo headers even if the price is higher. Any serious buyer knows the price of material alone, not to mention the time involved to hand build each set and purge weld all the tubes etc. EVenthough the stock manifolds may be proven to go fast, if you ever watch them glow on the dyno you will realize there is a large restriction there.

 

[ryanharrington]

Re: Interest In New Products

theres some ac lines you can get i think from aeroquip, cut to make your own length

 

[blk00z28]

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http://www.atrperformance.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_11&products_id=22
ATR's headers are $995.

So, if you added the labor of putting it together, and bending the tubing, around $1200-$1500 might not be to bad of a deal. Even more so if you put a warranty on them. Like a max hp/tq level with xxx turbo on your headers.

From all the stories I'd heard about ATR's cracking and all this shit, me personally, I would buy a good set for around $1200-$1500. (and I dont even own a truck yet

)

And I thought $800 was bad for a set of LT's for a f-body. :lol:

 

[BigAl...]

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John, first thank you for just thinking about making parts for these trucks! For those that think 2k is expensive, it's obvious to me you've never made a set of headers, most of you saw the headers I made. I had about $1500 in parts alone and about and about a million (it seems) labor hours. John mentioned $400 for collectors (thats cheap) someone else mentioned Burns Stainless I bought two Burns collectors three Burns v bands (for the crossover) and one pound of 309 rod and it cost me $933 w/shipping that doesn't include a single u bend or a flange or welding or coating yada yada yada! Ok, rant off!

Oh and BTW yes you can buy v8 headers for next to nothing but remember you get what you pay for!

John good luck with your parts.

BigAl...

 

[Divergent Lightning]

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It might just be me, But I think it would be nice for someone to make a good source for Air scoops for the stock CCHE. I don't think there is any place you can get them from without making it yourself or going to a metal shop.

I made my current scoop out of steel and it is seeing it's last day on my truck as it is disintegrating to rust as I write this. Stainless stell would be nice, or even that diamond plate steel would be blingin' for a little bit of functional show piece.

 

[jwaller]

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It might just be me, But I think it would be nice for someone to make a good source for Air scoops for the stock CCHE.

jim longwidth already makes these.

 

[blk00z28]

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Yeah, aka *the blade of death* I asked about it a while ago as well.

I guess I feel like most of the other guys when it comes to stock vs aftermarker. If the aftermarket ones dont give that much (by that much, I'm talking around 10-20hp) over the stockers, then why spend $2k on them if you're only getting that much. Other then for the "bling" factor when you pop the hood. Now those trucks that are in the 10's and 9's might need these, but those guys who have trucks going that fast have the $$$ to spend on a good set of headers, unlike the rest of us.

Whats the main problem with ATR headers? The cracking? From reading alot of these types of posts (and I know some of you are thinking "he doesnt even own a Sy yet and he's commenting on this", but just listen to me.) there arent to many companys that sale ture aftermarket parts for these truck, mostly due to the low production number of them. That being said, I can see where some would complain about spending $1k on a set of headers when they just crack. But most of you guys that have these trucks knew that there are few parts out there and you took your chance. I'm not backing ATR, I've heard good things about them thru some GN buddies.

So you make a set of heades slightly better then ATR's. Make them alot less prone to cracking, either by adding a support somewhere, or just upping the size of tubing slightly and sale them for $200 more. :dunno:

Stop me if I'm outta line.

 

[Captain Morgan]

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It might just be me, But I think it would be nice for someone to make a good source for Air scoops for the stock CCHE. I don't think there is any place you can get them from without making it yourself or going to a metal shop.

I made my current scoop out of steel and it is seeing it's last day on my truck as it is disintegrating to rust as I write this. Stainless stell would be nice, or even that diamond plate steel would be blingin' for a little bit of functional show piece.

I have these in stock as well, i just dont have my site up just yet. I have the blades as well as the scoops, PM me if youre interested.

Also, stainless sucks, why do you want the added weight? 6061 Aluminum is where its at :tup:

Scoop...

 

[DanenGraham]

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I have these in stock as well, i just dont have my site up just yet. I have the blades as well as the scoops, PM me if youre interested.

Also, stainless sucks, why do you want the added weight? 6061 Aluminum is where its at :tup:

Scoop...

Morgan, how much for that thing in your post there???

 

[ghettosled]

Re: Interest In New Products

So you make a set of heades slightly better then ATR's. Make them alot less prone to cracking, either by adding a support somewhere, or just upping the size of tubing slightly and sale them for $200 more. :dunno:
Stop me if I'm outta line.

It doesnt work like that. Call up any good header builder whether it be in the National Dragster, etc and start looking for quotes for 304 .065" stainless v6 turbo headers with merge collectors, purge welded, etc and i dont think you will find anyone who quotes you under $2500. You cant compare mediocre quality to someone that knows what they are doing.

 

[SEL777]

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I have these in stock as well, i just dont have my site up just yet. I have the blades as well as the scoops, PM me if youre interested.

Also, stainless sucks, why do you want the added weight? 6061 Aluminum is where its at :tup:

Scoop...

Yea how much? Does it come painted like the one pictured? Can you send a pic of the blade also to my PM or e-mail? TIA