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Typhoonracer

Old Guard GURU
Not for me anyhow. For any of you long time NATS supporters I am bowing out.
There were some very unfriendly things said by one of the "self appointed" "leaders" of the nats. Now I know what has happened to all of the old gaurd, We got tired of the smart alecs.....
I will not go into the details (although I have all of it stored away....)

He told me that I needed to be gone and that NATS have not lived up to HIS standard.

I hope he does a better job taking care of vendors and people that come to the nats then he did with people trying to plan it.

And it HAD BETTER BE THE "BEST" NATS EVER or he will never be able to show his face again.....

A very BIG THANKS goes out to the people that made 03 a smash even with only 4 months of real planning time!!!

Brian and Jill
Gabe and Julie
Ted and Steff
Todd, Dig, Adam,Ian
How many of you did I miss???
I hope to see yall down the road sometime!!

ANYHOW.......
I will be running the HOT ROD POWER TOUR that week with some of the Hot Rod staffers and other folks that I know in the industry.

God bless yall and good bye...........

Steve
 

MikeRenz

not stock
I'm sorry to hear that one person can sway you so drastically. There are plenty of other people that have enjoyed and been thankful for your work.
 

tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Say it isn't so. SyTy Nats were a blast last year. Who was the chronic complainer. I saw nothing negative about anything last year.
 

Ian Turgeon

Cascading Inspiration
*sigh*
This is an event by us for us. There are just too many thoughts about this to type here. Steve, thanks for all your past, future, and ongoing efforts.

Thanks to all those who hold a hand out (and sometimes get kicked in the nuts).
 

myclone

Donating Member
Steve,

Sorry to see you step away and its deffinately a sad day in syty-ville but maybe in the future you can stop by as some of us look forward to seeing you around. Ms myclone and myself deffinately had plans to take a minute of your time this year at the nats to chat with you.

Sigh....a sad day indeed.
 

sy112

New member
Good spin on everything Steve............

I have sit behind the scences of the planing stuff and watched most of the e-mails and such being passed around, some you have seen and some you haven't.

one of these so called "chronic complainer's" does nothing but eat sleep and breathe SyTy's and wants the Nats to be something remembered and not just thrown together at the last minute.

I personally believe that all the details need to be released to the community but others believe that there is enough controversy in the community and want to see no more. I think anyone/group that has control over a bunch of OUR money needs to be on the ball and accountable. Not just barely keeping up with what is going on.

I agree with Ted, the Nats were a blast last year, especially being as it was my first attended. But it was poorly planned and executed. Not much of a vendor turn out, no real contest to speak of, everything was last minute, a lot more could have been done.

So yeah Steve, keep all that info stored away, might help you "try" to explain a lot if this all airs out like I think it should.

I know many of you know Steve and hold him in high regard, I have nothing personal against him, met him at the Nats and he was a nice enough guy. I'm sure I have burned a few bridges coming out like this but I have kept up with a lot of stuff, and I hate to see it presented to the community so one sided.

As anyone who has been on this earth a while can tell you, there is two sides to every story, and the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Just want to make sure people a remembering that when the mud starts to fly.
 

THEMADTYPH00N

Active member
I'm sorry that had to happen Steve. Always sucks to feel unapreciated. I know you'll have a blast on the Power Tour. Next year I think I might do it. Anyway say in touch we only live an hour away from each other!
 

Sy769

Donating Member
Well I am not sure how to respond to this although I knew at some point is was coming.
I am one of the people he is referring to.
There also two more which he left out. I will let them respond as they see fit. Some of the people listed above feel exactly as I do although out of politeness refrained from speaking their mind. Well I do speak my mind especially over something I am involved with. One person in particular has put forth a great deal of effort in several areas. He is also one of the above not mentioned.

There is much more to the story and Steve is very good at putting a spin on it to make you all feel sorry for him.
We all had a meeting on Sunday after the Nats to discuss Nats 04. We ironed out some of the details on who would do what and how we would do a better job together of getting the nats planned very early on so that much of the time before the nats could be spent promoting it.

Nats attendance has steadily declined. Why? Poor last minute planning and not enough promotion of the event. In order to draw people from all corners of this country you had better have it planned out early and make it something people will want to spend the time and money to attend. The planning committe as a whole really want to make this event grow. We will never have the level of participation that the buick guys have but we can do so much to improve it. Most of you must put in for vacation and travel a long way to attend. Would you do it if the details were not worked out until just prior to the event? You would need to know what you were attending in order to make that decision.

Yes the Nats happened last year. Yes those of us there had fun. Steve was the leader last year. He did put forth some effort to make it happen. Some of the volunteers told me flat out they were dissapointed in the level organization.
How did everyone like the last minute date change????? That happened because the leader did not lead. Period.
For the record this year Steve was not the leader, Jill Dourty was in charge of logistics, Steve was in charge of the money.
This year nearly six months after the 03 Nats the track deposit for 04 had not been sent. In addition the track finances for 03 had not been resolved because of a missing check. Checks do get lost but it took a lot of poking and prodding to finally get it resolved. You must remember the committee was working very hard on the event and we could get no response from Steve. We announced the dates but the track was not really ours. Yep you heard..... it until recently the track time for 04 was not really ours because we owed them money from 03 and they had not received a deposit for 04. We could not get accurate statements of what funds we had and some charges were questionable. There was also the case of a prize we lost out on. A person that did much for previous nats had a coupon for an exhaust that arrived after Nats 02. Before the coupon expired he took his own personal funds and bought the exhaust. Steve was supposed to send him a check for said exhaust so that one of you would win it this year. Two months passed and this person needed cash so he sold it after he could not get the funds from Steve.
The hotel is still not set up for this year. Last I heard we also owe them money from last year due to the poor attendance below the number of rooms spoken for. These types of things are what we were dealing with. We did not want a repeat of last years date change nor did we want another lackluster event.

The committe agreed that all members would pull their weight or a replacement would be found. We nearly lost a good portion of active planning members due to the frustration over lack of cooperation from Steve. These were people actively giving their time to work on things. Steve only occasionally participated and then would occasionally make posts to this board that would indicate to some of you that he was a major contributor to the effort. That is false.
I sincerely hope this doesn't turn in to a war between people who are freinds with Steve and myself. I would have never discussed any of this if not for the post above. While he didn't mention my name directly it is obvious to the active members who he is referring to. The community has a right to know a bit of the other half of the story. While Steve may try to portray me a a whiney smart alec this is just not the case. I clearly said I would leave if Steve did not. Why did I not leave? Because several of the active members ask that I stay on board. If ANYONE doesn't want to speak out here pm me. I am open and honest with everyone the other planning members know this.

There will be a severe storm warning in KC this year. The main work remaining is getting vendors on board and setting up the hotel.
I hope you all can bring your trucks and your tools because this is going to be a fun year. While we can't control the weather we can do everything possible to ensure there is more to do than sit in the parking lot and drink beer.
I hope you all take a good look at the contests this year. We will see who is the master of hand tools.
The SyTy Grand Prix is going to show off who has the all around combination.
The racing..well that speaks for itself.
 

Syclone#1992

SyTy.net Moderator
Sy769 said:
Nats attendance has steadily declined. Why? Poor last minute planning and not enough promotion of the event. In order to draw people from all corners of this country you had better have it planned out early and make it something people will want to spend the time and money to attend. The planning committe as a whole really want to make this event grow. We will never have the level of participation that the buick guys have but we can do so much to improve it. Most of you must put in for vacation and travel a long way to attend. Would you do it if the details were not worked out until just prior to the event? You would need to know what you were attending in order to make that decision.

Yes the Nats happened last year. Yes those of us there had fun. Steve was the leader last year. He did put forth some effort to make it happen. Some of the volunteers told me flat out they were dissapointed in the level organization.
How did everyone like the last minute date change????? That happened because the leader did not lead. Period.

Patrick,

How can you blame just one person on attendence and the date change....looks like a lack of involvement from people like you that are complaining. Blaming one person for a date change is terrble....where is the committe to verify stuff was getting done by making a simple phone call? This is a group effort and to blame one person is pretty rotten.

As far as advertising goes... I totally agree we need more... If I know at least 50 plus trucks are going to be there, I would consider trailoring mine down there. What about all the people that don't visit this board that have syty's? We need to figure out how to reach out to them.

I guess this all comes back to why an ISTA has not been implimented. If an ISTA was created, we could charge a standard fee for the board whic would help plan the NATS and put a downpayment on the track and hotel. Establishing an ISTA would be a ton of work and when people blame eachother and cannot work together as one to get something accomplished it will never exsist.
 

Sy769

Donating Member
Tim
There was no "committee" last year. It was pretty disorganized. I only mention the date change so that people understand why we became so concerned over his lack of participation. And it was we it wasn't just me.

.ISTA is already set up as a non profit organization and is owned by a individual

A few planning members and I have discussed forming some type of official organization to plan and administer the nats. and you are correct Tim people do have to work together. But when they don't work problems arise.
We had the money for the track and hotel. The problem was getting a check sent.

If you see someone with a syty be sure to lead them here and tell them about the nats. I hope this year has more than 50 trucks.

Anyone worried about the quality of the nats due to this crap shouldn't.
There are probably more details worked out already than in any previous planning effort.
Look forward to seeing you all in KC in June.
.
 

sy112

New member
How can you blame just one person on attendence and the date change....looks like a lack of involvement from people like you that are complaining. Blaming one person for a date change is terrble....where is the committe to verify stuff was getting done by making a simple phone call? This is a group effort and to blame one person is pretty rotten.

I don't think it's really blaming one person, it's more of trying to get the committee organized. And it's very hard to do when your "leader" is not.

It is my understanding that Steve would be just fine if the Nats were nothing more than a racing session. No vendors, tech sessions, etc. The Nats can't be that, we are a small community. To get people to travel and spend money it has to be an EVENT, hell we can all get together with friends and just race at home. You have to have vendors there to support the racers, through parts as well as tech info, the tech sessionss are a great idea as well, all the basic questions can be answered and info can be shared. Contests are a very important part as well, and that ties in with vendors needing to help contribute part/services as prizes. We need a lot more to do that drink beer and race( which are two of my favorite things BTW). The Nas needs to be these things and more to get attendance up, to make people want to come and plan their vacations and such around it.

I believe the committee was just getting frustrated at how they were planning and trying to make it happen and pretty much one person was slow at going. In this instance it was Steve, who had control over a bunch of the money. Kind of hard to plan when someone else has control over the checks to be written, don't you think? It could have easily been someone else on the committee, and I'm sure they would have asked that person to leave as well, just so happens it's Steve.

I have attended only one Nats(03), but have been watching the board and friends with SyTy owners before that. And everyone knows that the attendance has been steadily dropping, mainly due to the lack of planning of the Nats. Everyone is just trying to change that around, toes are bound to get stepped on.

I personally believe this Nats is going to be one for the books, if we can get past all this stuff and get to the point at hand. Getting the Nats finished planned and then start promoting it like it should be. When was the last itme you saw anything written about the Nats on the boards as far as updates to the progress???? Been a while huh, cause many of the "active" committee members have pulled back in their efforts due to the frustration level on the committee.

I'm sure Steve's feeling are hurt about all this, but that does not mean he has to leave the community, I believe that would be childish. Just realize that maybe that with all the other things in his life that it's better to have other people who have more time and energy to put into this on the committee.
 

leroy

Donating Member
Re: NO MORE NATIONALS???????

Re: NO MORE NATIONALS???????

Typhoonracer said:
And it HAD BETTER BE THE "BEST" NATS EVER or he will never be able to show his face again.....

Steve,

How can it be the best without you and your family attending? Please reconsider. You may enjoy it more without being on the planning committee.

I think you did a great job last year. I think all the other year's organizers did great also. There's a lot of work involved that is not recognized, and it's impossible to please everyone.

This post raises my curiosity about another issue. I thought ISTA was an association with elected officers. I'm guessing it is convenient to have it owned by an individual. Associations should have bylaws, rules, and a board of directors approved by the membership. I'm not sure if ISTA has any of that. Bylaws may help prevent future misunderstandings. Elections could easily be set up online. Annual meetings could coincide with Nationals. Am I way off track here?

Jim
 

Tydriver

TurboLS6 Powa'
[RANT ON]


WTF Steve ?

Isnt doing this sort of thing IS NOT VERY CHRISTIAN ? Why do you continue to pick at the scab?

Kinda seems ODD to me to sling the mud and all this crap when you are supposed to be CLOSER TO GOD than the rest of us. WTF ?

When are you gonna learn ? I would expected this crap from some kid that was on the list that didnt even own a truck. NOT SOMEONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A "LEADER."

I wasnt going to say anything and just let it roll as water under the bridge, but since you want to pick at the scab, I will respond.

Steve last years nats( '03) were a JOKE plain and simple. You and YOU ALONE are the reason the stuff went off HALF ASSED..
You dumped the entire track event and the 3 competitions on DIG and I the morning of the track event. Suddenly Dig and I had to complete most of the competitions ALONE, we had to complete the entire track event while you laid up in your hotel room sleeping because of some OVEREATING. Dig and I got stuck planning the majority of the awards ceremony as well as the entire festivites that were at the track. ALL IN A MOMENTS NOTICE because you had NO IDEA what you wanted to do.

Yes, I volunteered to help last year, NO I DIDNT VOLUNTEER to do the majority of it, if I remember the conversation correctly, I was merely supposed to help TECH-IN trucks at the track to put them in their correct categories.

Thank god for DIG, He and I were solely put in charge of the track events and the track competitions.

Dig and I were also put SOLELY in charge of picking the trucks the MORNING OF THE AWARDS ceremony for, BEST PAINT, BEST CLADDING etc, only because YOU HADN'T DONE A DAMN THING FOR '03 Nats nor had you put in place any planning to have people HELP you.

Steve, you let me down, and at this point I want to say a healthy :fist: to you for COMPLETELY RUINING my last years nationals. Because of you, I wasnt able to enjoy much of the festivites that surround the nationals. I was (in addition to some other people last year) thrust into a position I was never advised I was going to participate in. All I can say is THANK GOD, for Gabe and his wife, Brian and Jill Dourty, The Grangers, DIG (and a few other people I will probably regret not mentioning later) for HELPING US pull last years nats out of the crapper at the last minute. And as a result, I felt you made us look like total idiots because people were looking to us for direction and answers, when as it turns out, we were indeed flying by the seats of our pants, [sarcasm ON] yeah, thats a good way to plan a national event ! [/sarcasm OFF]

If you dont believe me, ask Keith Ranly or Mike Campbell, they will tell you how disgusted I was that I didnt actually get to do alot of BS'ing at the track and the nationals in general.

Steve, guess how many pictures I took last year at the '03 event?

ZERO !!!

Wanna guess why ? Because I didnt have a chance to ! I got a small amount of video on the way to the track and that was it, the Dourty's were nice enough to film some of the events for me using my camcorder @ the track because I was literally running around.

Sure, I dont mind helping, when I am asked to, but that was a JOKE. I would have gladly accepted the reponsibilities that were THRUST on me last year, if I had only been asked MONTHS before instead of had it thrown on me AT the event. You made me (and the rest of us that DID pull out what was our '03 event) look like IDIOTS Steve, I never do anything half ass when it comes to these trucks, but you sure made me look like it last year.

OK, so lets fast forward to this year.

Why cant anyone provide receipts for anything related to the SYTY check book ?

Where was this money stored steve ? Ahhh yes, thats right, in your PERSONAL CHECK BOOK. Thats good planning. Why dont we have an actual SYTY CHECKBOOK ?? WTF, I can see it now, "yeah, if memory serves me right, I wrote a check out 4months ago for this amount, and before that there was this amount in the SYTY check book, so we oughta have around this amount in the SYTY check book."

Reference this post here:

http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=240427#240427

or

http://syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25740

Howabout the story of the track @ KC refusing to book our reservation for the '04 event because we were still behind on paying for the '03 event ? Yeah that takes real leadership skills Steve.
WTF ?????????

Why do you think I didnt want to get involved with the '04 years nats ? And ultimately why I wont probably attend the event in '04. Because the '03 event was such a joke, I dont want to be associated with the '04 event. Especially as you were the one calling the shots. I wasnt going to be thrust into that last minute position again.

So I say ADIOS ! Have a great time at the HOT ROD power tour, atleat they have someone thats going to be able to plan the event before the final hours.

Man I just cant believe how you have this twisted into such a "POOR STEVE" post . Just remember you were the one that opened this can of worms, and I have had it, I am prompted to respond. And, you were the one that wouldnt stop it. I bit my tongue time and time again so it wouldnt come to this. But you insisted on pushing the issue.

Personally, I have kept in touch with people that WERE and ARE planning the event in '04. From what I understand at this point, they were trying and trying very hard to make it the best year for the SYTY Nationals. But, oddly enough, everytime someone attempted to contact you, there was no response. There were decisions that needed to be made, there was money that was needed to be sent, and where was steve ?? Nobody knows, because you dodged a number of phone calls, you failed to respond to various emails, I have no clue as to the reason, [sarcasm ON] I guess its too early to be planning an event thats going to take place in JUNE, we had better start in that in MAY RIGHT STEVE ? What the heck, the Dourty's, Grangers, Dig, Patrick, Gabe and his wife will pull it out in the last minute for you again right Steve ?[/sarcasm off]


I dont expect alot of people (except those of us that were forced to be close to last years nats, and those that really had GOOD INTENTIONS of making next years nats) to really understand where this is coming from. Nor do I expect them to totally agree with anything or everything I have said or posted. All I can say is take caution when siding with Steve Gavic, he hasnt been truthful, nor has he really been a leader in the land of SyTy's, everything doesnt appear to be what it is with him has been my experience.

Once again Steve, as far as I am concerned, you brought this on yourself you wont leave it alone. I havent heard anyone complain about anyone else in the planning committee except YOU. You and YOU ALONE are the sole person everyone ELSE in the planning committee is having an issue dealing with, if that were me, I think I'd be looking pretty hard in the mirror.

[/RANT OFF]


Steve ? What color is the SKY in your world ?
 

sy112

New member
This post raises my curiosity about another issue. I thought ISTA was an association with elected officers. I'm guessing it is convenient to have it owned by an individual. Associations should have bylaws, rules, and a board of directors approved by the membership. I'm not sure if ISTA has any of that. Bylaws may help prevent future misunderstandings. Elections could easily be set up online. Annual meetings could coincide with Nationals. Am I way off track here?

exactly
 

redty

New member
I respectfully ask that this thread be locked and we go on.

I respectfully ask that this thread be locked and we go on.

Steve, Patrick and others, I am going to chime in with my .02 worth and ask that this thread STOP now.

I have attended all the nationals except 1, the Chicago 2002.

I was there in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2003, some were better than others but I would not go back and ever say "gee in hindsight, I would not have attended this one"...

There were several people that did everything they could do to be at the nationals in 2001 when our country was attacked in a most cowardly way, I was really impressed at some of the stories and the shear spirit of our group that said "F_CK You Bin Laden, I am not hiding, I am here and doing what a free country allows me to do.. Come and get some of this BOY"

This type of thread, while allowing some feelings to get vented and out into the air, does not help the community as a whole by airing out the "dirty laundry".

In the planning I heard some comments about having other groups sharing with us. Then someone brought up a good point, SYTY guys respect each other and their trucks. You can leave your truck open at the track and not worry about someone jacking with it. That fact simply means that there is RESPECT, something not bought or handed out for free.

For those in the camp that want the "Best of the Best", I salute you and your efforts, keep going, but be professional about it, sounds like your really working hard.

After reading through this string, I don't see the SYTY respect or professionalism that I have seen in the past regardless of issues.

So respectfully, Steve G., thanks for your previous work and efforts and being there each and every time. I hope to see you there this year in 04 as this should be water under the bridge.

So respectfully, new team, thanks from everyone here for your efforts and please keep going and working hard, the proof is in the pudding, let's see what you got.

To all chiming on this thread, let's stop and return to "our community" lets keep it inhouse and show the RESPECT and Professionalism this group is known for, lets be the ones that others wish they could be.... 8)
 

Tydriver

TurboLS6 Powa'
REDTY, I couldnt agree with you more. Hence my reason for biting my tongue all these months as time went by. But Steve has been warned and yet this is the 2nd post he wants people to sympathize with his side of the story. There is a thread that only Moderators and a few select people get to see, its one of the ones I referenced in my earlier post. Unfortunately I didnt realize that the majority of people WOULDNT be able to see it.

With that said, I agreed exactly with what you are saying and asked him to deal with it in a private manner. Now he makes this post. I am getting sick of the truth being covered up and people only telling half the story. As I mentioned in my post, most people have no idea what all transpired on last years nats (and probably care even less), hence my reason for biting my tongue (I'm not the only one). I figuired its best to aire out everything so that indeed the SYTY community CAN move forward. And that indeed we CAN have a national event to be proud of, not one full of controversy and LACKING VENDOR/MAGAZINE Support.

So I ask the group in general the following questions:

1. How can a group of enthusiasts, have an 'Official Checkbook" yet there is no monitoring of it ? (I have an Idea as to why, but ask yourselves this).

2. How can we as a group expect to move forward when there isnt any cohesion in the group that plans our ONE SINGLE LARGEST EVENT ? (there is now that Steve has 'ahem' stepped down.)

3. How come people arent concerned where all of OUR MONEY went ?

The following question I ask specifically to STEVE G:

1. Can we get some sort of records showing where all the $$ went ???

2. Why were you so UNWILLING to help the people that were trying the hardest to PLAN the event ?

I am sorry RedTy, I have to disagree with you in the termination of this thread. I feel the members that have been here for a while, and the members that HAVE attended these events have teh right to know.
Once again Steve, until last years event I had the highest opinion of you and looked upto you. But you come here and WHINE about a 'smart alec' (your terminology), and then expect people to hold your hand and pat you on the back telling you its gonna be OK.

I ask WTF ? You aired out PRIVATE EMAILS in the Limited Access forum, I asked you to take it to a PERSONAL LEVEL, and leave it OFF the BBS. Now you start with this crap. I just dont get it.

I keep asking myself WHY I log on to SYTY.net. I havent really learned much in the last year or two, there are GOOD people here, but most are afraid to post anything for fear of getting flamed. Then, there is a certain 'stagnant' feeling in the way things progress on a technical level. There are alot of smart people, but most dont want to help out or post anything because they see no reason to contribute. So, most of the die-hards have either left the 'group' or moved onto other vehicles, or merely just share their findings with close friends. Its really sad, when people like that dont feel the need to contribute, it does NOTHING to promote the further advancement of these trucks.

Anyhow, I'm off the soapbox, and I dont feel the need to contribute anything else on this thread. I have said my peace and will clam up now.
 

4C FED

Absolutum Dominium
Egad's :eek:
I've never attended, not sure if I ever will, but after reading a lot of posts around here lately, I'm almost embarrased.

Seem's to me that the Nat's would be more like a bar room brawl than a SyTy enthusiast's event.
 

Sy769

Donating Member
4C FED said:
Seem's to me that the Nat's would be more like a bar room brawl than a SyTy enthusiast's event.

Actually you couldn't be farther from the truth.
I have met some of the nicest most helpful people at the nats. Made many friends and helped out more than one over the years.
My wife and I both look forward each year to meeting up with the friends we've made in previous years. In that respect this year will be no different. In other ways it will.

The Nats is probably one of the most enjoyable events each year because it IS a tight knit community. That is why when something like this happens toes get stepped on because this community is so tight.

So 4c Fed show up this year...you won't be sorry :wink:
 
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