1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

sytyguy

sytyguy

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Yes, the stock turbo will make 21psi.....the stock turbo will make 121 psi, though many metallic things will come apart long before it reaches that.

21 psi on pump gas with 136degF IATs and 11/12:1 AFRs.....it's actually surprising that it was ONLY 7 deg of KR. The AFRs show you running lean, so add some FP and see if the KR goes down. Most of my 3 bar chips to best with 45-50 psi of FP at idle with the vac disconnected.

And no, I don't tune anymore. Tony Hyder's Typhoon was my last. Got my second child on the way and my truck still not drive-able, so no offense to anyone, but I "gotta do me".
 
Sean Krupa

Sean Krupa

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Glad your taking care of your KR issue. When I was Stock Turbo and before Code59 KR was fighting me also. Code59 is the way to go and you'll be glad you did. Your Boost control is like a roller coaster (stock turbo wastegate problem). With Code59 you can help that issue a ton. You should try a 160* stat, helped me a bit with KR. Also what Alky mix are you using?

If you do decide to go Code59, I'll be glad to send you a Bin file of when I ran 12.9@103 with the stock Turbo, Alky, PLX WB

Here is what Code59 and a lot of time and help from the SYTY experts will do for you. This is one of my DM files when I had the stock turbo. Also this is where you should be with the Intake temps with Alky spraying. This is on a 80* day.

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TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Sean,

You have a great truck man! Your DM file looks awesome. I am using the Akly Control kit it is progressive the company is out of south florida. I am using window washer fluid $2 bucks a gallon, what do you recommend? I also still have the EGR on, I purchased an EGR delete but have not put it on yet. Did you put the WB in the O2 bung or did you well a new one on the down pipe? If so were did you put it? Also what type of readings were you getting on the PLX? Sean I would also love to have the bin file you were using.

What do you think could be wrong with the waste gate? What would be the fix?

Performance mods on my truck: (93 Ty stock motor and trans with 53K orginal mile)
255 Walboro
Taylor Wires (New Cap Rotor/ New Plugs)
No Muffler
Alky Control progresive kit (Window Washer Fluid in tank)
Hood Chip and 3 Bar Map
PLX WB02 Sensor (in O2 Bung)
Relocated IC with big pump
K&N Filter

Everything else is brake and handeling suff
C5 18 wheels
Blistine Shocks
Moog (Front End)
C5 front brakes
 
Sean Krupa

Sean Krupa

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Connor,

I'd recommend deleting the EGR, that's heating up your intake quite a bit. But if you decide on Code59 you won't get a CEL with it deleted. If you delete it, make sure your current chip has it turned off.

Also, I run 4 Bottles of HEET (100% Meth) yellow bottle with 1 gallon of Washer Fluid. That's a 50/50 mix of water/meth. Right now your about 15-20% water/meth. The extra meth will help your KR a lot and also your intake temps.

I have my WB in the stock location o2 bung. I try to keep my readings around 11.0s-11.4s. Do what ever your truck likes the best, but also the safest. The Boost control you have is because of the stock turbo. The wastegate doesn't flow the best especially with free flowing exhaust. The only fix is custom tuning to adjust the duty cycle or a better internal/external WG.

Not sure what your goals are for your Ty, but Code59 would be the way to go even for stock levels. If you decide on it and get the equipment I'll send you the Bin. But first try adjusting your FP to 45psi and add 4 bottles of HEET to 1 gallon of Washer Fluid.

HTH,

Sean
 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Sean,

Thanks for the input. I did a little preventive maintenance on the TY's WG last night (sprayed it down with PB blaster and moved it back and forth - seemed AOK). I also adjusted the base fuel psi to 47 and took the truck for a ride. The AFR actually went up (it was cold and foggy at 1:00 a.m.) so perhaps that was a contributing factor but I was as high as 13.4 with 10 KR (danger). I am going to check to make sure my Alky kit is working right and also turn up the base fuel pressure to 50 psi. All in all I am a little confused why the AFR is so high?

Ok last question: What all do I need to start utilizing code 59 (make changes to the ecm and tuning the truck)?

I have Tuner Pro RT v5 on my laptop and the ADX and XDR files from code59
I have the ALDL cabel (which I have used with DM, I have also tested it with Turner Pro)

I called Moates and this is what I think I need (please confirm)

Ostrich 2.0 ($175 bucks)

and GP1 adapter kit (which is $55 bucks)

Is that it?

Thanks again Sean I have looked at many of your past post and video's very impressive stuff!
 
Sean Krupa

Sean Krupa

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Yup, that's all you need for Code59.

The problem I struggled with when I had the stock turbo, was the stock injectors. No matter how much fuel I added in Code59 the AFRs were never really (great). I had my FP at 50psi. Once you go 59, you can add fuel to the needed areas. You might be running out off injector like I was. You should get the Racetronix FP Hotwire kit. Helped my AFRs some.

Make sure your Alky kit is working properly, do you have the Red/Green LED hooked up for activation? If so, you should see the light turn Red around 5-8psi, then go Green. Add some HEET to your mixture, that will help Richen up your AFRs some.
 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Sean,

I received my Ostrich 2.0, and GP1 today! Do you mind send me your bin? I have remixed the Alky with the Heet, and adjusted the fuel psi to 50 psi.

If you get a second I would like to chat on the phone about how exactly to save the current bin and load your bin on the blank chip. My number is 843-614-2307 (feel free to text as well).

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Sean Krupa

Sean Krupa

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Connor,

I'll dig out my Tuning laptop asap (by the weekend). I will have to check which Bin would be best for you. I literally have 30+ bins. I will adjust the boost lower for you. I had mine adjusted for 20+psi and mild timing.

Once I find the Bin and adjust, I'll give you a call/text. Also, once you hook everything up and try the Bin via Datamaster, I''ll be more than happy to work with you on it to get it Tuned just right. Rob (Wyosyclone) dedicated a majority of his summer a while back to get my Ty tuned with the stock Turbo while I was new to Code59. Now that I'm comfortable with it I'd like to help a member out as well.

Sean
 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Sean,

Hey man, I changed all the plugs this weekend, installed the 160 termo and have reinstalled the WB02 with a 15degree bung 36inch from the turbo. I was looking to install the Ostrich either today or Monday. If you happen to have that bin, I would like to load it and try it out.

Question's:

I have two chips (ATR and Hood) - can I download the bin's on these chips and save them in Tuner Pro, so I can compair them?

Also I received two chips with my Ostrich 2.0/GP1 Adaptor, can the Ostrich burn chips? The two chips are blank, I am not sure what I can do with them?

When I make changes to the bins, are the changes stored internally on the Ostrich? It dosen't seem that it would change the factor chip that is docked in Adaptor.
 
sytyguy

sytyguy

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

TYZ06 said:
I have two chips (ATR and Hood) - can I download the bin's on these chips and save them in Tuner Pro, so I can compare them?

Also I received two chips with my Ostrich 2.0/GP1 Adaptor, can the Ostrich burn chips? The two chips are blank, I am not sure what I can do with them?

When I make changes to the bins, are the changes stored internally on the Ostrich? It dosen't seem that it would change the factor chip that is docked in Adaptor.
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1 - You can, but why? If you want to know the differences between my 3bar chip and the ATR 2bar chip I'll list them....but there are MANY differences.

2 - The two blank chips can be programmed with a bin file and run in place of the Ostrich. But there is no need to do this. Just run the Ostrich and make changes as needed.

3 - Any changes made to the bin file are stored in the Ostrich's RAM. The "docked" chip is untouched and is only docked so as to borrow the ESC circuitry info that is unique to the chip. This is how the Ostrich is a universal emulator.....you dock your chip (be it a SyTy or Camaro or Silverado or whatever), borrow the ESC info, and emulate the bin with the Ostrich.
 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Thanks Mike, orginally I was worried that I would right over or change the chip you made - that seems not to be an issue now. I also wanted to use the bins in the ATR vs yours to learn a little about what should be changed as well as a quick way to restore to these chip settings if need be.

Example:

I download Sean's bin and it dosen't seem to work for my truck, but I need to drive it to work on Tuesday. I then could upload the bin files on your chip and drive safely. Or perhaps I am unsucessful getting the knock out and the truck ran the lowest knock on the ATR chip so I can fall back on that one all in Tuner Pro with out haveing to pull the ECM.

This was just my logic of saving the bins and having them as a teaching tool as well as a back up plan. With that being said how do I pull the bin details off of an existing chip?
 
sytyguy

sytyguy

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

THIS + THIS to dump bin info. But instead of spending $100, shoot me a list of the bins you want and I'll send them to you. Just bear in mind that you'll need to run the $58 xdf instead of the $59 xdf with my bin or the ATR. My advice, go code59 and seek advice from the tuners on here (or wait a week or two and I'll finally release the tuning tutorial I've been promising for far too long).
 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Thanks mike now I get it. I will hang out on code 59 and see what I can learn. I will hold off on the additional hardware purchase for now, since it isn't critical. As far as the bin's I was looking for, I wanted to have a copy of your tune (I guess that means all bins) and the ATR's. At this time I dont have a stock chip anymore - I think Chad sent you the stock chip. I believe I have found the stock bin's on code 59 and downloaded them. I will look for the xdf 58 file and save them in TunerPro. I look forward to your tuning totorial. Good luck on putting your truck back together as well as the new baby on the way. I know you have a lot of friends but if you need a hand with any thing I am only an hour away - dont hesitate to call me. Got to run wife is yelling at me "we are late to church" :)!
 
MadMike

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

what size injectors are you using? Is he still under fueling this thing? I don't use code59 so maybe somethings are different, but don't we want to see injector duty cycles under/around 90%?

I bet you could go 50PSI on the FPR, but with small lines you might start warming it up with a low tank level.

Do you have the WBO2 working? Are sure you have the IC working/purged? Seems like you need to get a solid foundation in place before you really get to any tuning. Fueling right, IC right, WBO2 right....

At 15psi Alky is a crutch for a bad tune IMO. You can do the Xylene trick if you want to check for false knock right?

I am pretty new in tuning and there we several DM in different stages some maybe im getting confused. Just think you have more foundation work to do before you burn cash on real performance tuning... GL
 
Sean Krupa

Sean Krupa

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Connor,

I sent you an email explaining how to hook the equipment up and uploading the Bin and files.
 
sytyguy

sytyguy

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

Y'all do know these still exist, right?



 
TYZ06

TYZ06

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Re: 1st Run on Datamaster LOTS of Knock Retard, Please Help!!

SyTy,

Sorry it has been so long since my last update on my hunt for my knock Gremlins. So since my last update I have learned a few things (RULE 1 Don’t Assume Things Work) case in point my AlkyControl kit. When I purchased my truck apparently the AlkyControl pump was full of water because it was mounted incorrectly. So when I pulled the pump to test it ALL RUST and no ALKY. So I ordered a new pump and mounted it correctly – bam 66 degree inlet temps (no more temp problem). Also this explains why Hoods chip (which was for Alky) didn’t work – which I retested and bam all good (actually very good). I had a few more little Gremlins though, next the MAP sensor developed a small crack and separated allowing water into it and causing a short, this caused crazy inconsistence while tuning – fixed no more issues there. Since then I have installed a KB boostapump (nice piece of equipment), as well as ti-turbo blanket and wrapped DP and crossover pipe. Last but not lease I installed a G2 manual boost controller, due to the fact that it was hard to tune (add gas) when my boost was up and down by 3 psi. Now the boost snaps on almost instantly and holds through each shift with no drop off. Below is a 50mph to 100mph run with 18-19 psi and no knock, ALKY knob set to 6 and KB BAP set all the way up. Now I need a little help going forward and wanted to see what the experts have to say.
Tuning Questions:
1) How much boost can I run on 93 pump gas and ALKY 20-25? How much with the stock valve springs hold?
2) My VE table is maxed and has a great curve (thanks Sean K) so do I only need to add gas on x77 – if so how much can I add before it make no difference (numbers should go up if I need gas)?
3) Where do I add timing F80? If so do I add one degree at a time (whatever the number that is there plus 1 and so on)?
Thanks to everyone specially Mike Hood and Sean Krupp, I don’t know where I would be without you guys. This has been an awesome experience I look forward to going to the next level 
I have also included my bin file as well as the TunerPro data dump in excel with a few of my notes, let me know what you think.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n0nuaehv4oz0dma (bin)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?213shmrdjdj9h9p (excel file)

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