700 Raptor

alwayscode390

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Re: 700 Raptor

How much do you charge for a DIY 700r4 setup (parts)? I would like to support your business , but I would like to get my truck to the track this summer too :) .... let me know George , thanks ---
 

swoop

under contruction...
Re: 700 Raptor

So you are basically saying that after all the mods and money on the trans it will not hold through at least one summer? Seems pretty shitty if you ask me but I'll take your word for it. Technically its not too late to go to another transmission since I havent committed to the 700 yet and its still blown. How much would a 350 or 400 swap run?

My truck will at best be a mid 12 second truck, which I highly doubt and more likely a high 12 or low 13 second street machine. I will not be at atco everyday, probably 3 times a month at most and drive it once or twice a week.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

The issue is gonna lay in the way you drive it. If you baby it on the street, it will last longer. I've fixed these for guys that are just pulling away from a stop sign and the rear planetary breaks. Other guys have had them last for years. Goes back to the "how do you treat it" theory. If you keep it at a 12 second truck with occassional trips to the track and just some spirited driving on the street (not every stop light), then you'll be ok. If you think you can get a 700 that your gonna go bracket racing with, no. They will not do that no matter what anybody tells you. You don't have to take my word for it. Go through some searches and you'll see the mess. Some have broken just pulling over speed bumps. Again, it lays in the shift design. It sounds like you are wanting to do a lot of racing if you are willing to give up OD. If you want to do an 80e, get one from the junk yard and buy a kit and do it yourself. If you do it that way, you'll more than fall under the $5000 limit you've put on it. You'll have computer control of all characteristics and you'll NEVER hurt it. If you go for a 3 speed swap, you want the 400 over the 350. The gear spacing is gonna be much better(2,3 gear shifts are same as the 80e). Just remember your gonna be spinning a lot of rpms going over 50 mph. Put your truck in 3rd and drive it for a week and see if you can get used to the behavior.
I'm trying to figure out a way to describe the 700. It's not an "endless" commodity. If you can imagine a tank of water. You get hot, you use some, etc. If you work a lot, it gets used up faster. If you take it easy and sit in the shade a lot, it lasts longer. That's the best analogy I can make.
 

Maxtor

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Re: 700 Raptor

George, based on your comments above, what would you say is different about my Rossler built 700? I'm going on 4 years now with MANY low 10 sec 1/4 mile and mid 6 sec 1/8 runs; making well over 600hp; and shifting at 6k RPM. The only problem it's had has been with the converter. Not disagreeing with you or doubting your knowledge and I understand the 350/400/80e are stronger, but clearly the 700 can go more than one summer in a 12-13 sec truck.
 

swoop

under contruction...
Re: 700 Raptor

is a 4L80e swap possible for under 2 grand if you do EVERYTHING yourself? Junkyard trans rebuild, controller, mounting hardware, etc...
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

Depends on how you treat it. You can't make a blanket statement that it will hold up for years in a 10 second truck. You are not racing brackets. You are also not beating on it every stop light. You have to understand that there are guys that buy them, thinking that if it holds up to a 10 second pass, it will hold up to "anything I can do to it." NOT true.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

swoop said:
is a 4L80e swap possible for under 2 grand if you do EVERYTHING yourself? Junkyard trans rebuild, controller, mounting hardware, etc...
No. Gotta factor in converter. You can do it for less than $5000 though. Guys spend almost that much on a turbo and intercooler.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

Maxtor said:
George, based on your comments above, what would you say is different about my Rossler built 700? I'm going on 4 years now with MANY low 10 sec 1/4 mile and mid 6 sec 1/8 runs; making well over 600hp; and shifting at 6k RPM. The only problem it's had has been with the converter. Not disagreeing with you or doubting your knowledge and I understand the 350/400/80e are stronger, but clearly the 700 can go more than one summer in a 12-13 sec truck.

Before you go too crazy, I've got pics of the broken parts out of your trans and the previous owner took it in yearly to be "freshened". Meaning new clutches and replacement of severely worn parts. Basically he was very proactive. 99% of the people on here cannot afford to have their trans torn down every year for maintenance. Fluid / filter changes are maintenance. Not teardowns.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

swoop said:
is a 4L80e swap possible for under 2 grand if you do EVERYTHING yourself? Junkyard trans rebuild, controller, mounting hardware, etc...
If you get a known good core($300-$550), I can get you the parts to do the shift kit install and put the output shaft in. Go to my forum, look under 4l80e thread and there are some options there. Look them over. It's very detailed. It looks confusing at first but you have to read EACH part. Guys want all kinds of options and I listed them there.
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: 700 Raptor

George Blake said:
Before you go too crazy, I've got pics of the broken parts out of your trans and the previous owner took it in yearly to be "freshened". Meaning new clutches and replacement of severely worn parts. Basically he was very proactive. 99% of the people on here cannot afford to have their trans torn down every year for maintenance. Fluid / filter changes are maintenance. Not teardowns.

The broken parts you are referring to are the output shaft, correct? If yes, that's not the same transmission. I believe Todd D. still has that one since I sold it to him. That was Rossler's "street-strip" transmission; this one is the "full race version".

This trans was freshened the first year it was put in (2003) due to the converter breaking and spitting metal throughout the trans. It hasn't been out since which was 4 years ago. Carl's comment at that time was "this thing still looks brand new". I've talked to Carl personally about this trans to ensure my facts are correct. All I have done to it is fluid/filter changes.

Seems like your facts are a little off, feel free to email or PM me if you want additional info.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

It was more than the output shaft. It's still a 700. You can put billet input and output shafts, everything, it's still gonna have a little bitty sprag, little bitty clutch hub and your still gonna grab parts spinning at serveral thousand rpms and bring them to a sudden halt to change gears. Boring out the input drum to make room for bigger 3-4 and sticking a bigger piston in the drum helps hold it once you get there, but it's still gonna give out due to the behavior of the trans shifting characteristic. I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying rossler or dan builds junk. What I'm saying is they are doing the best they can with a transmission full of flaws. It is a matter of time. Look how much you have would have in the 700 you had built or bought from someone and compare it to the cost of the 4L80e (not the conversion), just the trans. The money spent versus return is a no brainer.
An input shaft and output shaft made of 300M now costs almost $1000 for those two parts. I can get a 300M input shaft, main shaft, and clutch hub for less than $800. This is just one example. And you end up with a trans with a known good shift characteristic.

Maxtor said:
The broken parts you are referring to are the output shaft, correct? If yes, that's not the same transmission. I believe Todd D. still has that one since I sold it to him. That was Rossler's "street-strip" transmission; this one is the "full race version".

This trans was freshened the first year it was put in (2003) due to the converter breaking and spitting metal throughout the trans. It hasn't been out since which was 4 years ago. Carl's comment at that time was "this thing still looks brand new". I've talked to Carl personally about this trans to ensure my facts are correct. All I have done to it is fluid/filter changes.

Seems like your facts are a little off, feel free to email or PM me if you want additional info.
 

alwayscode390

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Re: 700 Raptor

alwayscode390 said:
How much do you charge for a DIY 700r4 setup (parts)? I would like to support your business , but I would like to get my truck to the track this summer too :) .... let me know George , thanks ---


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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 700 Raptor

Sorry about that, I ready Maxtors, and didn't see yours:
$1522.50 + shipping for a performance 700r4 rebuild kit.
That's from the 700r4 prices in my forum.
 

alwayscode390

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Re: 700 Raptor

Wow, bravo...you charge less than $500 more to install it all....I may still go that route, hehe ---
 
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