A/C Replacement/Upgrade?

tloof

New member
If you want the absolute best cooling system in an S10 or Sy/Ty, the following components will give the best results:

1) Change out the stock tube & fin condenser to a parallel flow one from any '96 up S10. It will fit in place of the original tube & fin condenser perfectly as long as you trim the original lower rubber biscuits to a height of around 1/2", and then set the '96 up lower rubber biscuits on top of those. Also use the '96 up S10 upper rubber biscuits with mounting brackets in place of the original upper biscuits & brackets (they are a direct fit up in the Sy/Ty). The later style 96 up parallel flow condenser has approximatly 30% more fin surface area which really helps the heat exchange capacity when using 134a refrigerant.
2) Replace the stock evaporator core with one from a '94 Ford Taurus. It will require modifying the evaporator box since it is about 3" shorter, but it has about 15% more fin surface area than the original core and will pull more heat out of the interior air flow. The good thing about this modification is that the bottom side of the evaporator cover will be flattened out which gives more clearance for a V8 conversion in the S10 (this extra clearance is admittedly not all that helpful on a Sy/Ty that retains the turbo V6).
3) Replace and relocate the Accumulator with a smaller aftermarket one that is made specifically for 134a service. Locate the new accumulator up near the battery area so that more fenderwell area is liberated by the evaporator box (this is mainly to allow using the later style '95 up S10 coolant recovery bottle that a factory ECM can be attached to if a V8 conversion is made).
4) Use a variable orifice as described in the earlier posts.
5) Replace the R4 compressor with a 7 piston Sanden compressor or Seltec compresser (supposedly the Seltec is slightly better due to less problems with front seal leaks). Either of these compressors will mount to the stock R4 bracket when using an aftermarket bolt, spacer, & bracket kit that attaches to the original R4 mounting bracket.
6) Replace the stock pressure cycling switch with one from a '89-'92 S10 that has the center adjusting screw in between the two electrical terminals in order to adjust to a lower pressure setting (adjust to a suction pressure of approximately 21 lbs for 134a refrigerant).
7) Replace ALL hoses with new custom ones made at any AC shop (this will enable all of the components to be adapted together).

After all of this is done, you will be able to achieve an inside air discharge temperature of around 37-38 degrees F when using 134a refrigerant. One other thing, use POE oil and not the PAG oil. PAG oil is extremely bad about adsorbing water in high humid areas, and will cause corrosive acids to be formed if any trace amounts of chlorine is still in the system from the old R12 refrigerant (this really applies to systems that don't have all of the components replaced as detailed above...such as reusing the old evaporator core even after flushing it out).

Hope this helps you all out! By the way, all of the above components can be bought new for about $500 total from the AC supply houses!!
 

tloof

New member
Vintage Air sells the Sanden compressors new. Any goog AC Supply house should be able to get the Seltec compressors.

As for the variable orifice, I am not really sure what specific vehicles used it stock, but none of the GM vehicles that I know of ever used it.
 

turbodog

Donating Member
If you have Opie's CDROM withe the TSBs, there's one in there on how to improve S-truck AC efficiency. It consists of 3 things:
1. add air deflector under front of truck (equivalent to the OEM unit on our trucks)

2. Put a thermal jacket on the accumulator/dryer (yes, there is a GM part just for this)

3. add a valve to shut off coolant flow thru the heater core (the one in the TSB is vacuum operated and is connected into the vent tubing so it only shuts off coolant when you select "max" AC). I am opting for a manual valve instead.

Not as swift as a Denali dual-zone setup, but better than a poke in the eye with a hot stick.
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
turbodog said:
If you have Opie's CDROM withe the TSBs, there's one in there on how to improve S-truck AC efficiency. It consists of 3 things:
1. add air deflector under front of truck (equivalent to the OEM unit on our trucks)

2. Put a thermal jacket on the accumulator/dryer (yes, there is a GM part just for this)

3. add a valve to shut off coolant flow thru the heater core (the one in the TSB is vacuum operated and is connected into the vent tubing so it only shuts off coolant when you select "max" AC). I am opting for a manual valve instead.

Not as swift as a Denali dual-zone setup, but better than a poke in the eye with a hot stick.


thanks dude. I'll try the blanket and the valve for sure. thats easy stuff.

one day I might actually get this thing to blow cold.
 
Since you mention compressor upgrades...I read in one of my a/c books that GM reported the R4 is not a candadate for retrofitting. It says it should be replace with a new one, or reman TCD R4. What do you guys think???
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
truckins10 said:
Since you mention compressor upgrades...I read in one of my a/c books that GM reported the R4 is not a candadate for retrofitting. It says it should be replace with a new one, or reman TCD R4. What do you guys think???

I'm goin to try the one Tloof reccommed. anything is better than this thing we've got.
 

FLSY2730

New member
My buddy works on ac and refigeration for like 12 years now and he says a good operating R-12 system will get colder than any of the new stuff, and I did not have any problems getting my sy cold, after he put a little more freon in it we had a thermostat reading 39 degrees coming from the vents, so , do you have electric fans, cause they makes a big difference, and i think you could get a little bigger or new condenser, maybe the old one is blocked and no air is going across it, just some ideas.
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
it is cost prohibitive for me to go back with R-12. and since our systems dont work all that great with 134, I'm goin to be trying some it not all of these mods listed here. something has to work better than what I have now.
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Tydriver said:
sytyguy said:
I can get them John.

Hood

HOW SOON can I get one since I am currently getting ready to OVERHAUL an AC system in my beater ? And whats the price ?

pretty simple...give him a call. 877-858-2447 or 912-858-2447
 

Bill Z

Donating Member
A/C Replacement/Upgrade?

I hope you guys don’t hate what I am about to say. It seems that there are many different ways to do a job. Some are more expensive than others. I just do not have much money. But I do live in Houston where you just have to have a good air conditioner.

First, I did what is always suggested on this forum. I tried the search button. I found this information à http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12289&highlight=134 I did not mean this as a slam but I didn't know much about air conditioners and wanted to know what had already been discovered.

It will take you to a site talking about different Refrigerants. Some refrigerant will cause the oil in the system to break down due to the high temps in the high pressure side. There are some refrigerants that solve this problem by reducing the head pressures and still give great cooling. When you lower the head pressure, you also lower compressor failures.

I checked around and found some of the home air conditioner supply places stock R416 just for the repair guy’s trucks and vans. R416 will go into a R12 system with any O ring replacements. You need to add some more oil.

I replaced my orifice tube with one of the variable tubes. I may have not needed to do this but what the heck. I found my old tube was partialy cloged with junk.

I pulled a vacuum and put in 4 cans of R416. It fixed my problem and for less than $60.

This site will tell you most all you will need to get the idea. http://www.autofrost.com/

Good luck.
 

Tydriver

TurboLS6 Powa'
Does anyone have any idea where the ORIFICE tube is hiding in our trucks ?

Also:

Can someone post a pic of what it looks like so when I DO find it, I know I have the correct item ?
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Tydriver said:
Does anyone have any idea where the ORIFICE tube is hiding in our trucks ?

it's the tube that is located next to the heater box right by the accumulator the actual tube is inside the alum tubing (the smaller of the 1 ac lines)and has a filter type cartridge in it.
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Tydriver said:
jwaller said:


:eek: DAMN YOU WALLER !! :eek: I DONT NEED TO SPEND ANY MORE $$$

lol

thanks for the links.. I'm gonna have to order one.

sorry. :lol:

I just order 2 myself. I know the feeling.

but also consider this, went to the boneyard toady and found one of those paralle flat tube condensers thats supposed to be 13% better than ours in the new body style s-series. so ganna have to swap that out. as well as wrapping the accumulator with that black sticky goo tape that you can get at lowes and home depot.
 
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