Can someone tell me on a stock truck what do you have to do to put the Dequick single core setup on a truck? I know that you have to cut like a 3 inch hole in the driverside fender, but I have also heard that you need to cut the fan shroud and you have to run an electric fan, is this true? Are there any guys out there running the front mount setup with out this? Please any help would be great and pic would also be helpful
Air To Air
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I have it , the piping leaves nothing to be desired, but i made it work, and i do have electric fans, it would probably be a tighter fit on the piping if you had the stock fan and shroud. I dont know. If i had to do over i would get a custom front mount, but i have 2 big coolers for the tranny and the oil now so fitment would be a issue.
hamrhead
Donating Member
I have Kenne Bells's Air2Air. While not the best Air2Air, it is a great improvement over stock. Plus it frees up a lot of room under the hood. A rectangular hole needs to be cut in the Passengers side wheelwell to route the pipes through, but otherwise everything lined up very well and works perfect. NO complaints! Works w/ the stock clutch fan too. I know you asked about DeQuicks unit, but I thought this might help at least a little bit. Hope so.
I think it took me more time to remove my stock air/water I/C than it did to install this Air2Air.
I think it took me more time to remove my stock air/water I/C than it did to install this Air2Air.
nick041881
Member
is the Kb setup a front mount, or does it mount where the dequick unit does??
hamrhead
Donating Member
It mounts under the bumper where the stock CCHE is, using the existing holes.
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91 SY #480 12.05 @ 111.5,,so far
99 Lightning #1909 13.36 @ 102.26
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Mike Hague
91 SY #480 12.05 @ 111.5,,so far
99 Lightning #1909 13.36 @ 102.26
95 Cobra R #58 13.18 @ 106+
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nick041881
Member
so in order to have a front mount, it must be custom made ??
ParTyBoy
New member
well they're all custom made... it's just a matter of prefference... KB unit is small..
Dequick unit doesn't fit... Mike had a front mount system he made.. not sure if he still does... and then there's Al Dustan's. new unit.. saw one pic of the unit.. large core... don't know about the piping though..
Al's setup uses a huge core... From what I recall. The pipes enter and exit on the passenger side. Very very simple setup, direct route (not the over the hills and through the woods thing), very clean. He saw great results with it. in fact, I will be using this on my truck as well.
chad
chad
Al's setup uses a huge core... From what I recall. The pipes enter and exit on the passenger side. Very very simple setup, direct route (not the over the hills and through the woods thing), very clean. He saw great results with it. in fact, I will be using this on my truck as well.
While I applaud anyone doing custom stuff, I wanted to offer some criticism on the setup, as I saw several flaws with it.
1 - the size of the IC is large, but nearly half of it is end tanks. The core size could be larger with smaller end tanks.
2 - The routing of the pipes was still kinda goofy IMO, I believe the stock turbo wasn't even clocked, and the tubing had to make an abrupt 180 degree turn at the turbo outlet.
3 - I still believe it will create cooling problems on a stock truck with AC. Al's truck has no AC, and LOTS of parts removed from the engine bay, helping his cooling.
4 - Performance - while I do believe it will help, does Al have any data? At Nats, his truck couldn't run the 1/4 cuz of IC problems. You can't really compare his truck stats to anyone else's, as it is dramatically lighter than a stock Sy (full coil overs, lots of other parts removed).
I still don't know anyone who has posted 60' data with the coil overs either (again I believe they work, just curious).
While I applaud anyone doing custom stuff, I wanted to offer some criticism on the setup, as I saw several flaws with it.
1 - the size of the IC is large, but nearly half of it is end tanks. The core size could be larger with smaller end tanks.
2 - The routing of the pipes was still kinda goofy IMO, I believe the stock turbo wasn't even clocked, and the tubing had to make an abrupt 180 degree turn at the turbo outlet.
3 - I still believe it will create cooling problems on a stock truck with AC. Al's truck has no AC, and LOTS of parts removed from the engine bay, helping his cooling.
4 - Performance - while I do believe it will help, does Al have any data? At Nats, his truck couldn't run the 1/4 cuz of IC problems. You can't really compare his truck stats to anyone else's, as it is dramatically lighter than a stock Sy (full coil overs, lots of other parts removed).
I still don't know anyone who has posted 60' data with the coil overs either (again I believe they work, just curious).
BigAl...
Member
hey fellas, Although I'm NOT the Al everyone is talking about, I'm sure some of you remember seeing the A2A IC I came up with. I agree with bg the IC Al Duston (I'm assuming that's the Al everyone is talking about) came up with is BIG but! If you look through the grill (BTW that's whats important not what you can't see or sits behind the bumper) you only see half of the core. The IC I came up with fits behind the grill, I still have A/C and I did NOT use hood pins. BUT it was ALOT OF WORK!!! I had to cut off the support that's below the hood latch, I had to cut holes to run the piping, I'm not complaining just letting you guys know that it does require some patience, but in the end I spent about $600 and IMHO it's better than what's available. Keep in mind I already had a Griffin rad which IMHO is a must.
BTW I have nothing against Al Duston or Dequick I'm sure they make good products.
BigAl...
BTW I have nothing against Al Duston or Dequick I'm sure they make good products.
BigAl...
BG, you do indeed bring up some very valid points. ones that I am concerned with myself.
from what i recall the stock turbo was reclocked. imho, the piping was not as goofy or as long as some other setups. I am also fairly certain that the truck had ac at nats, though i am not 100% on that one. (I know when he was building the truck it did have ac.)
as for cooling, i agree that it could be an issue, and i also agree that a good radiator is required. time will tell, and hopefully this summer i will have some datapoints to share with everyone.
bigal... what type of core did you use again?
chad
from what i recall the stock turbo was reclocked. imho, the piping was not as goofy or as long as some other setups. I am also fairly certain that the truck had ac at nats, though i am not 100% on that one. (I know when he was building the truck it did have ac.)
as for cooling, i agree that it could be an issue, and i also agree that a good radiator is required. time will tell, and hopefully this summer i will have some datapoints to share with everyone.
bigal... what type of core did you use again?
chad
Coloty
New member
So, from what I am reading the air2air is not much better than a stock water2air system that is working properly? It does have obvious advantages as far as cleaning up the engine area and as far as simplicity goes. The KB unit would be my choice as I just like the stock location aspect of it. Any other considerations?? My set-up is not stock.
You don't have to use an electric fan, but you do have to cut a little bit of clearance in the stock fan which is no big deal. I don't know how it would work with the stock turbo however, because it is designed for the turbo outlet to be pointing down instead of up like the stocker.
Lt250suzuk
New member
Brian, I just have to clear up a few things here.
1. My turbo was reclocked and the piping has NO major bends in it.
2. Yes I was having IC problems because I put the IC on the day before I loaded the truck for nats and I did not get the reducer to go from 2.5" to 2" at the turbo so I was trying to make shift something to work at the time. I have the reducer now and not one problem.
3. I do have full AC system, it was on at nats. The only thing I have removed on my truck besides the stock junk suspension is the ABS other than that it is all there. except for cladding and front diff (both of witch will be on before the next nats hopefully)
4. I have not had any cooling problems and have drove the truck a lot and the IC is working great. I am costantly at ambient or just above for temps and turbo spool up is greatly improved.
On the 60' times, the people who do have the kits do not post on here and I will see if I can get a timeslip from one of them.
1. My turbo was reclocked and the piping has NO major bends in it.
2. Yes I was having IC problems because I put the IC on the day before I loaded the truck for nats and I did not get the reducer to go from 2.5" to 2" at the turbo so I was trying to make shift something to work at the time. I have the reducer now and not one problem.
3. I do have full AC system, it was on at nats. The only thing I have removed on my truck besides the stock junk suspension is the ABS other than that it is all there. except for cladding and front diff (both of witch will be on before the next nats hopefully)
4. I have not had any cooling problems and have drove the truck a lot and the IC is working great. I am costantly at ambient or just above for temps and turbo spool up is greatly improved.
On the 60' times, the people who do have the kits do not post on here and I will see if I can get a timeslip from one of them.
Brian, I just have to clear up a few things here.
Cool, was hoping you'd chime in.
1. My turbo was reclocked and the piping has NO major bends in it.
Good deal..
2. Yes I was having IC problems because I put the IC on the day before I loaded the truck for nats and I did not get the reducer to go from 2.5" to 2" at the turbo so I was trying to make shift something to work at the time. I have the reducer now and not one problem.
Didn't mean to imply the IC problems were related to a design flaw... shit happens, just ask me about me running my vehicles :wink:
3. I do have full AC system, it was on at nats. The only thing I have removed on my truck besides the stock junk suspension is the ABS other than that it is all there. except for cladding and front diff (both of witch will be on before the next nats hopefully)
Hmm must be my retarded memory then :wink:
4. I have not had any cooling problems and have drove the truck a lot and the IC is working great. I am costantly at ambient or just above for temps and turbo spool up is greatly improved.
Excellent. I have no doubt your system performs well.
On the 60' times, the people who do have the kits do not post on here and I will see if I can get a timeslip from one of them.
I'm a fan of the suspension setups myself, and I'm definitely curious as to the quantifiable improvements shown. Heck I helped talk my room-mate into both the front & rear coil overs for his Sy :wink:
Cool, was hoping you'd chime in.
1. My turbo was reclocked and the piping has NO major bends in it.
Good deal..
2. Yes I was having IC problems because I put the IC on the day before I loaded the truck for nats and I did not get the reducer to go from 2.5" to 2" at the turbo so I was trying to make shift something to work at the time. I have the reducer now and not one problem.
Didn't mean to imply the IC problems were related to a design flaw... shit happens, just ask me about me running my vehicles :wink:
3. I do have full AC system, it was on at nats. The only thing I have removed on my truck besides the stock junk suspension is the ABS other than that it is all there. except for cladding and front diff (both of witch will be on before the next nats hopefully)
Hmm must be my retarded memory then :wink:
4. I have not had any cooling problems and have drove the truck a lot and the IC is working great. I am costantly at ambient or just above for temps and turbo spool up is greatly improved.
Excellent. I have no doubt your system performs well.
On the 60' times, the people who do have the kits do not post on here and I will see if I can get a timeslip from one of them.
I'm a fan of the suspension setups myself, and I'm definitely curious as to the quantifiable improvements shown. Heck I helped talk my room-mate into both the front & rear coil overs for his Sy :wink: