Bring the Nats to Michigan
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92boostedty
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
what does this proto type sy look like?protosy said:
BigBadSmoosh
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
all the other ones
92boostedty said:
all the other ones
warmpancakes
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
Basically but it was built before the rest
smaug said:
Basically but it was built before the rest
BigBadSmoosh
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
detroit is only 9 hours from me..
even though KC is really far and the drive really sucked.. i think it should stay there.
warmpancakes said:
detroit is only 9 hours from me..
even though KC is really far and the drive really sucked.. i think it should stay there.
92Ty#1524
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
This isnt directed at you, Rob. You do bring up a good point. I'm sure everyone would show up if it were in thier own back yard or close to it. Location is certainly one of the first considerations when in comes to deciding whether to go or not. Distance = travel time (away from work or other repsonsibilities) "do I have time to make the drive or just fly and look at all the local trucks?", cost, so on and so forth.
Michigan certainly has some historical SyTy things there and would be pretty convenient for northern and easterly peeps. But its probably pushing the envelope of what owners who reside in the remaining 70% of the country would consider a reasonable trip if they were to make the drive. Thats pretty much cross country for those who live out west and southwest. I'd guess that you'd see more spectators than participants/trucks. Btw, how many SoCal people drove this year?
If you're looking for a unique historical two page article with a possible pic of your truck somewhere in the back of a lineup for keepsake then Michigan it is. If you're looking for participation, keep it in a more centralized region that makes it accessible to as many as possible. KC seems reasonable.
Just my opinion.
Syclone Rob said:I would attend for sure..... since it would be way closer...
This isnt directed at you, Rob. You do bring up a good point. I'm sure everyone would show up if it were in thier own back yard or close to it. Location is certainly one of the first considerations when in comes to deciding whether to go or not. Distance = travel time (away from work or other repsonsibilities) "do I have time to make the drive or just fly and look at all the local trucks?", cost, so on and so forth.
Michigan certainly has some historical SyTy things there and would be pretty convenient for northern and easterly peeps. But its probably pushing the envelope of what owners who reside in the remaining 70% of the country would consider a reasonable trip if they were to make the drive. Thats pretty much cross country for those who live out west and southwest. I'd guess that you'd see more spectators than participants/trucks. Btw, how many SoCal people drove this year?
If you're looking for a unique historical two page article with a possible pic of your truck somewhere in the back of a lineup for keepsake then Michigan it is. If you're looking for participation, keep it in a more centralized region that makes it accessible to as many as possible. KC seems reasonable.
Just my opinion.
natsforever
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
If the nationals move anywhere, people(more than 1, probably more than 2) will have to step up soon(weeks not months). It can't be one person. What if that person had health problems or got laid off 2 months before Nats? It can't be people that are willing to help, they have to be 'lead planners', and they have to be supported by the people that are 'willing to help'. Planning is probably easier in KC because they know the track and hotel they want to use, and still there can be scheduling problems. We didn't get the same weekend this year(with the hotel), because someone booked that weekend over a year in advance and early June(as some have mentioned) is less than 9 months away. Any other hotel/motel we go to, won't be as nice. If you've been to the Nats(in KC), you know what I mean. Last year when people talked about moving it to KY/TN, they said the tracks wanted alot more money. So registration cost would go up, unless attendance was way up. Regardless of where it is, prepaid registration is very important. I'm sure the people that plan the nationals would agree, no matter where it's held.
If the nationals move anywhere, people(more than 1, probably more than 2) will have to step up soon(weeks not months). It can't be one person. What if that person had health problems or got laid off 2 months before Nats? It can't be people that are willing to help, they have to be 'lead planners', and they have to be supported by the people that are 'willing to help'. Planning is probably easier in KC because they know the track and hotel they want to use, and still there can be scheduling problems. We didn't get the same weekend this year(with the hotel), because someone booked that weekend over a year in advance and early June(as some have mentioned) is less than 9 months away. Any other hotel/motel we go to, won't be as nice. If you've been to the Nats(in KC), you know what I mean. Last year when people talked about moving it to KY/TN, they said the tracks wanted alot more money. So registration cost would go up, unless attendance was way up. Regardless of where it is, prepaid registration is very important. I'm sure the people that plan the nationals would agree, no matter where it's held.
Syborg Twin Turbo
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i couldn't agree more with the above comments. It needs to be a team a very large team. I think we had at least 8 people planning it prior to the event and then another 20 plus people at the event. So whom ever takes on this challenge it's really a big job and i commend all of the people that have planned the event in the past.
i couldn't agree more with the above comments. It needs to be a team a very large team. I think we had at least 8 people planning it prior to the event and then another 20 plus people at the event. So whom ever takes on this challenge it's really a big job and i commend all of the people that have planned the event in the past.
JSM
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
Yep, it is very easy to sit back and wish things would happen with nats. 100x harder to actually make them happen and be the one responsible.
I was part of team looking into moving to KY, then we even talked about doing a regional. One of the big issues is cash flow. Everybody wants to wait until the day of the even to pay registration (me included), yet to make things happen, places want down payments, payed in full etc. So then someone must either front the money or ???
Chicken or the egg.
Yep, it is very easy to sit back and wish things would happen with nats. 100x harder to actually make them happen and be the one responsible.
I was part of team looking into moving to KY, then we even talked about doing a regional. One of the big issues is cash flow. Everybody wants to wait until the day of the even to pay registration (me included), yet to make things happen, places want down payments, payed in full etc. So then someone must either front the money or ???
Chicken or the egg.
warmpancakes
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
If there was serious in terest in brining the Nats to michigan I would be willing to accept some of the planning duties, I have frinds in several holtels (managers) can arrange things with the track But I will need help with planning and such
If there was serious in terest in brining the Nats to michigan I would be willing to accept some of the planning duties, I have frinds in several holtels (managers) can arrange things with the track But I will need help with planning and such
warmpancakes
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
the Track http://www.milandragway.com/home.html
Diversions Hooters, Canada, casinos
Im working on the hotel as of now. How much are the rooms in KC?
the Track http://www.milandragway.com/home.html
Diversions Hooters, Canada, casinos
Im working on the hotel as of now. How much are the rooms in KC?
NOJIMMY
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
-Who, or Whom are the Syty Nationals Planners, Committee Members, Organizers, and such?
-Are they "open" to assisting in planning a Michigan Nationals?
-Or are they working on returning to KC and "finishing" 2006 duties (and thus not open to change)?
-Are the problems with KCIR being worked to solve the 10 sec max et restriction - tech inspection thoroughness issue?
-On the flip-side, would a move entice more fast vehicles turn out at Michigan?
-Is piggybacking on with the Power Tour possible?
-Is anything being "planned" or is this and the Bowling Green thread only a venting mechanism?
For better or worseI don't sense that change is being actively sought; as there appears to be those
who like KC and the members it gathers for socializing.
thanks
-Larry
-How do we find out if there is "serious interest in bringing the 2007 Nationals to Michigan"?
-Who, or Whom are the Syty Nationals Planners, Committee Members, Organizers, and such?
-Are they "open" to assisting in planning a Michigan Nationals?
-Or are they working on returning to KC and "finishing" 2006 duties (and thus not open to change)?
-Are the problems with KCIR being worked to solve the 10 sec max et restriction - tech inspection thoroughness issue?
-On the flip-side, would a move entice more fast vehicles turn out at Michigan?
-Is piggybacking on with the Power Tour possible?
-Is anything being "planned" or is this and the Bowling Green thread only a venting mechanism?
For better or worseI don't sense that change is being actively sought; as there appears to be those
who like KC and the members it gathers for socializing.
thanks
-Larry
warmpancakes
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
-How do we find out if there is "serious interest in bringing the 2007 Nationals to Michigan"?
Take a poll
-Who, or Whom are the Syty Nationals Planners, Committee Members, Organizers, and such?
no idea
-Are they "open" to assisting in planning a Michigan Nationals?
same as above
-Or are they working on returning to KC and "finishing" 2006 duties (and thus not open to change)?
-Are the problems with KCIR being worked to solve the 10 sec max et restriction - tech inspection thoroughness issue?
-On the flip-side, would a move entice more fast vehicles turn out at Michigan? the "fasteste" is here rumor has it there is a truck that has gone 8.80 already way before robert 8 sec run
-Is piggybacking on with the Power Tour possible? sure
-Is anything being "planned" or is this and the Bowling Green thread only a venting mechanism?
phone calls have been made dyno day calls have been made
For better or worseI don't sense that change is being actively sought; as there appears to be those
who like KC and the members it gathers for socializing.
-How do we find out if there is "serious interest in bringing the 2007 Nationals to Michigan"?
Take a poll
-Who, or Whom are the Syty Nationals Planners, Committee Members, Organizers, and such?
no idea
-Are they "open" to assisting in planning a Michigan Nationals?
same as above
-Or are they working on returning to KC and "finishing" 2006 duties (and thus not open to change)?
-Are the problems with KCIR being worked to solve the 10 sec max et restriction - tech inspection thoroughness issue?
-On the flip-side, would a move entice more fast vehicles turn out at Michigan? the "fasteste" is here rumor has it there is a truck that has gone 8.80 already way before robert 8 sec run
-Is piggybacking on with the Power Tour possible? sure
-Is anything being "planned" or is this and the Bowling Green thread only a venting mechanism?
phone calls have been made dyno day calls have been made
For better or worseI don't sense that change is being actively sought; as there appears to be those
who like KC and the members it gathers for socializing.
turbodig
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
Ken, I would say if y'all are serious about this, put together a proposal.
As has been mentioned, you need 7-8 people minimum. Maybe more, since you've never done anything of this size in your area. There is a *lot* of stuff to sort out. If you can't get 7 people to commit 5-10 hours a week, and more nearing the weeks up to nats, you won't do it any service. Whomever leads the effort will spend much more time, so know that as well.
Find an adequate hotel. In my mind, one of the big pluses to KC is that back lot at the Doubletree. It's a near-perfect venue. If you can find a hotel with a secluded lot, get cost information. You also need to make sure capacity is there. Take pics.
Get track rental information. And date availability. Take pics.
There's lots more to it (GM folks, basic logistics, food,etc), but these are the things you have to know before proceeding. At that point, present your info, and take your poll.
You need to get all this information lined up within 4-5 weeks, otherwise the KC folks have got to proceed with their normal operations. They have a track to book, and a hotel to reserve, and you can't do either on a short turnaround.
My .02
warmpancakes said:
Ken, I would say if y'all are serious about this, put together a proposal.
As has been mentioned, you need 7-8 people minimum. Maybe more, since you've never done anything of this size in your area. There is a *lot* of stuff to sort out. If you can't get 7 people to commit 5-10 hours a week, and more nearing the weeks up to nats, you won't do it any service. Whomever leads the effort will spend much more time, so know that as well.
Find an adequate hotel. In my mind, one of the big pluses to KC is that back lot at the Doubletree. It's a near-perfect venue. If you can find a hotel with a secluded lot, get cost information. You also need to make sure capacity is there. Take pics.
Get track rental information. And date availability. Take pics.
There's lots more to it (GM folks, basic logistics, food,etc), but these are the things you have to know before proceeding. At that point, present your info, and take your poll.
You need to get all this information lined up within 4-5 weeks, otherwise the KC folks have got to proceed with their normal operations. They have a track to book, and a hotel to reserve, and you can't do either on a short turnaround.
My .02
natsforever
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
About the hotel...
The KC hotel has over 300 rooms. We will need at least 100 rooms, I hope, and we should plan for 200 or more. How many of the smaller motels will set aside most of the motel for one group. We could find a place with two or more motels grouped together, but that is not ideal. More scheduling problems and what lot would be the main lot? This COULD be a good thing IF it's the right layout. It would also have to be reasonably close to the track. Do hotel/motels expect a deposit for something like this and if so, how much?
The KC doubletree(Overland Park KS, really) is a AAA three diamond rated hotel, but it's probably more like a three and a half. It's in a business park area and nobody lives there. Well, at least within a couple of miles. It's also in the corner of two main roads, right by an interstate on ramp. This is a GOOD thing, no one lives there and nobody is just walking by. We won't be bothering the locals and they won't bother us. Security isn't really needed, although the hotel does have security and an outside company does patrols. It's in a good part of town, close by many restaurants and bars(Hooters?). And, by now people who go every year know the area. Also, the back lot is about 100 yards(maybe more) from the main hotel tower. The conference/meeting rooms are inbetween the hotel and the back lot. Most of the regular hotel guests don't even know that we are back there. They charge $75 a night. For some Nats attendees this may be the nicest hotel they have ever stayed in.
I'm saying these things so that you understand why I say the next hotel/motel will not be as nice. I know there is more to Nats than socializing but that is a big part of it. I hope to go next year, no matter where it is. I am ok with the hotel not being as nice if other things make up for it, but I will miss the doubletree. The track is another issue...
About the hotel...
The KC hotel has over 300 rooms. We will need at least 100 rooms, I hope, and we should plan for 200 or more. How many of the smaller motels will set aside most of the motel for one group. We could find a place with two or more motels grouped together, but that is not ideal. More scheduling problems and what lot would be the main lot? This COULD be a good thing IF it's the right layout. It would also have to be reasonably close to the track. Do hotel/motels expect a deposit for something like this and if so, how much?
The KC doubletree(Overland Park KS, really) is a AAA three diamond rated hotel, but it's probably more like a three and a half. It's in a business park area and nobody lives there. Well, at least within a couple of miles. It's also in the corner of two main roads, right by an interstate on ramp. This is a GOOD thing, no one lives there and nobody is just walking by. We won't be bothering the locals and they won't bother us. Security isn't really needed, although the hotel does have security and an outside company does patrols. It's in a good part of town, close by many restaurants and bars(Hooters?). And, by now people who go every year know the area. Also, the back lot is about 100 yards(maybe more) from the main hotel tower. The conference/meeting rooms are inbetween the hotel and the back lot. Most of the regular hotel guests don't even know that we are back there. They charge $75 a night. For some Nats attendees this may be the nicest hotel they have ever stayed in.
I'm saying these things so that you understand why I say the next hotel/motel will not be as nice. I know there is more to Nats than socializing but that is a big part of it. I hope to go next year, no matter where it is. I am ok with the hotel not being as nice if other things make up for it, but I will miss the doubletree. The track is another issue...
turbodig
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Re: Bring the Nats to Michigan
A agree... it's tough to beat the area for the setup. The track isn't so bad, although I wish we would have known the rules were going to get stepped up a notch. They are very accomodating of our odd-ball stuff (footraces, grand prix, etc) though.
I can't think of *ever* seeing another hotel setup like that. I know we don't have anything like that around here, or even within a 300 mile radius.
I presonally go to nats for the people... the old friends, the new ones. Having a venue where people can just hang out anytime of the day or night and shoot the breeze is invaluable. You don't get that in a normal hotel/mall/warehouse parking lot.
This is the intangible that the Chicago Nats and the Great Bend Nats lacked, IMO. If a match for the Doubletree can be found, it would contribute greatly to the success of the event.
My .02.
natsforever said:
A agree... it's tough to beat the area for the setup. The track isn't so bad, although I wish we would have known the rules were going to get stepped up a notch. They are very accomodating of our odd-ball stuff (footraces, grand prix, etc) though.
I can't think of *ever* seeing another hotel setup like that. I know we don't have anything like that around here, or even within a 300 mile radius.
I presonally go to nats for the people... the old friends, the new ones. Having a venue where people can just hang out anytime of the day or night and shoot the breeze is invaluable. You don't get that in a normal hotel/mall/warehouse parking lot.
This is the intangible that the Chicago Nats and the Great Bend Nats lacked, IMO. If a match for the Doubletree can be found, it would contribute greatly to the success of the event.
My .02.
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