Combo help(cam/heads)

12secondSY

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
I have been trying to decide on what cam to run in my ty and have searched through everything I could find but want some advice from someone who knows what my build will do. Heres what I'm doing: http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36160
Its an almost stock weight ty(going to try to shed a couple hundred pounds) and i eventually want low 11's but for now im shooting for very low 12's possibly a high 11.

-Would the 415 cam with vortecs, waller's stock turbo upgrade, and 50lb injectors get me there?
-Could I do it with L35's if I dont have the money for vortecs right now?
-How much improvement could I expect with a custom grind cam(HP or tenths)?
-Where would I be shifting at with this setup?
-Who should I take it to when its done for tuning/chip/dyno time and how much does that cost?(dont mind a drive)

The cat is going to be coming off also or at least a cutout put in(how big of a difference does that make?).
I will eventually change turbos and maybe get something like this: http://www.raceprovenmotors.com/cart/product_info.php?cPath=21_99&products_id=456
and maybe change injectors and chip later but not have to do anything else(other than stall).
Tried to pack as many questions into one post as I could think of for now. Thanks for any help :tup:
 
#2875

#2875

built, not bought
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

have you bought the turbo upgrade and the a2a yet? if not i have a suggestion that will get you to 11s right now.
 
12secondSY

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

I have the a-a already and I had the stock turbo rebuilt by waller and had the upgrade done(supposed to outperform a 20G, im turbo retarded still so he could explain what it is)since I dont have a lot of money right now. I planned on upgrading later though(trans and bigger turbo next winter hopefully)
What is your suggestion?
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

Active member
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

i was in the same boat last year,but do yourdelf a favor build the bottom end right now while you are there put the 415 cam or etc in there and do the vortechs then u can always change the turbo later,the other thing is if u follow someone elses build like i kinda did there will be a chip program out there already,just my opinion
 
12secondSY

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

cloneman315 said:
i was in the same boat last year,but do yourdelf a favor build the bottom end right now while you are there put the 415 cam or etc in there and do the vortechs then u can always change the turbo later,the other thing is if u follow someone elses build like i kinda did there will be a chip program out there already,just my opinion
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bottom end should be good (4 bolt, eagles, srp's). Im trying to get money for vortecs before it goes back together.
I was leaning toward the 415 but considering a custom grind from waller. How much better is a custom grind?
 
QUICK STORM

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

cloneman315 said:
i was in the same boat last year,but do yourdelf a favor build the bottom end right now while you are there put the 415 cam or etc in there and do the vortechs then u can always change the turbo later,the other thing is if u follow someone elses build like i kinda did there will be a chip program out there already,just my opinion
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ditto, i pretty much following your build with the exception of the turbo, i'm going with a 67BB
 
#2875

#2875

built, not bought
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

i was just going to suggest that you keep the stock ic and spend the loot on a bigger turbo. but since you already bought all that shit you will definately need to do vortecs and alky to get those #s. vortecs are cheap dude. buy a set off ebay for $200. your machine shop should be able to do the rest. it's a little more complicated than that but the details are well documented here.
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

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Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

just spen your money on the long block first then do the turbo ,im sure one of the tunners on here can do it for you ,that is the one reason i did a build close to phills because i know it works and its less messing around to tune it just my opinion
 
12secondSY

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

#2875 said:
i was just going to suggest that you keep the stock ic and spend the loot on a bigger turbo. but since you already bought all that shit you will definately need to do vortecs and alky to get those #s. vortecs are cheap dude. buy a set off ebay for $200. your machine shop should be able to do the rest. it's a little more complicated than that but the details are well documented here.
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The a-a came with the truck when I bought it uninstalled.
Its easier to replace a turbo with the engine in than heads so those are definately the next step. My tranny will only last about 1 pass though :(
 
qbnkiller

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

sounds like you have a pretty good idea already what you want...you just want some more validation. The combo you are looking at is pretty good. You should be good with the 50# injectors, but may max them out if you push it...although with alky...

There cannot be enough said about tuning. It is the most important step in the equation. You could have a pile of good parts put together, throw a crap tune at it, and you're running shitty numbers (12's - 13's). Then you take a very mild, basic combo, throw a very nice tune at it, and it runs incredibly. There are a few people here that tune our trucks. I happen to be partial to Nolan's tuning (10secty). He's been tuning these for a long time, and has many very fast trucks under his belt. There are others on here that do their own tuning also. What you need to keep in mind is that there is more than one way to reach your goal. The best way is to sit down, write down what you want the truck to do. Talk to a few ECM tuners here, and get a feel for them. Once you get to that point, go over your goals with whomever will be tuning your truck, and you should have a nice-running, fairly (unless you are beating the Ed Hess out of it! J/K bud!) reliable truck.

If you have questions along the line, no doubt there will be opinions flourishing here. Some right, some not. Think before you move, so you dont piss money away - something that MANY MANY MANY people here have done, and continue to do.

HTH
 
12secondSY

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

qbnkiller said:
sounds like you have a pretty good idea already what you want...you just want some more validation.
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Kinda, I want to be sure since this is getting ALL of my money and its not very often I have the money to spend.

cloneman315 said:
i would consider the oil upgrade like i did and many others
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This one? http://www.turbotime.us/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=1D10000-1128179453
Other than being pretty, what are the advantages of that?
I was gonna have to quit using the oil cooler or buy a new radiator anyways so I was going to get a different oil cooler and a trans cooler and put in a radiator that doesnt have those two things. That would be nicer than just a new oil cooler and all my old lines and remote filter.
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

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Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

it is def not a waste it has been assumed that alot of these motor failure is from oil starvation ask the top guys about this ,i have this system what eric does is takes your stock adapter ports it out and then adapts very large an lines with a real nice font cooler.
 
#2875

#2875

built, not bought
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

cloneman315 said:
it is def not a waste it has been assumed that alot of these motor failure is from oil starvation ask the top guys about this ,i have this system what eric does is takes your stock adapter ports it out and then adapts very large an lines with a real nice font cooler.
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hmmmmm. did you open up the oil passages in the block also? do you realize you can make this for about $100 ??
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

Active member
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

it would be more than 100 im sure all the lines are stainless braided plus hi9s labor etc,there is a big restriction at the stock oil filter housing on the fender and the lines.
 
qbnkiller

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Combo help(cam/heads)

#2875 said:
my feelings exactly. i clicked on the link and thought wow thats nice but how is it better than stock then i saw the price and GOO!!!! what a waste of $534.99... i mean that's an alky kit and a good tune.
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Actually, that's a good alky kit OR a good tune and a tune-up!
 
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