E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

It would be a very different life, but happiness would be obtained through different means than anything money can by. Its something few understand, and even fewer actually implement. Since you have been socialized to believe you "need" money, which your comment above is evidence of, it makes it difficult for you to see this perspective. You have been conditioned to think you "need" it, but the truth is your defination of the word "need" is flawed...as is what you probalby think true happiness is. Thats the short version. Not intended to piss ya off either...i promise.

The simple fact that you use the term "wish" implies you desire what I say to be true, but you don't understand that it is. It implies you are without something that you need, but you are not without. Your whole perspective is clouded for the lack of better terms.

Nice, I knwo what you mean really, problem is, its just not where we live. Plus, truthfully, I dont want to wear a grass skirt over my dork and spear my dinner everyday :lol: But really, I do understand what you are saying.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Nice, I knwo what you mean really, problem is, its just not where we live. Plus, truthfully, I dont want to wear a grass skirt over my dork and spear my dinner everyday :lol: But really, I do understand what you are saying.

Exactly, its about "wants" not "needs".

I know you understand...it is just hard to implement and that I understand.

 

[CKEITH]

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Wow, i just did a search on the E85 stations near me, within 25 miles I have 9 gas stations (most are GasAmerica) that carry it. The closest station is 12 miles away, which I drive by at least once a week.

For those that have ran E85, whats a 'safe' mix to use? I am using bigger injectors, walbro pump, but all my fuel lines are stock.. I have read that ethanol may have a tendency to corrode rubber lines.

i have the same questions myself........ e85 based on daimler chrysler's warranty guidelines " if e85 is used in a non compatible vehicle it will void all warranties.... because of it's corrosive characteristics. it has been said that it will literally eat the fuel lines,rubber seals etc.... anybody confirm this.

 

[turbodig]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

Just put 1/2 tank of the E85 in the Freestar. Not a ping, rattle, nothing. Ran much better. Not used to that. Usually use 87 octane. $2.57/gallon 100 octane vs. $3.18 for 87 Octane. And I feel better knowing it was produced in our country. Last year, $2.57/gallon seemed like a lot when regular gas was $2.50 ish. As volatile as regular dino fuel is, it's nice to see the price of E85 is independent and stable. Imagine how low the price will be once capacity goes up on E85.

Something's fishy with the E85 price, too... it tracks gas prices suspiciously close.

If anything, it should track corn prices- which are up a bit, granted, but track E85 price against the corn market... it doesn't follow.

Around here, it trails the regular gas price by ~.40. For a while, the state exempted the road tax on it, and it was in the neighborhood of a .60-.70 difference.

If the feds wanted to encourage the use of home-grown fuel, and reduce foreign oil dependence like they say they want to, then kill the federal road tax on anything E85 or higher (%-wise). Pay for it by dropping corn subsidies, and programs currently in place that encourage farmers not to plant. (I have cousins who make more per acre on the federal program than they did farming certain pieces of ground)

This will encourage more ethanol plants getting built privately (because it will be lucrative to do so), which will make the ethanol market more competitve, and also will compete with big oil, which would bring oil prices back into line.

#689 is gonna be whiskey-burning, when it gets road-worthy again.

 

[epix]

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GF drove by the local e85 station last night and it was $2.69/gallon, premium 93 here by comparison is $3.49/gallon

 

[turbodig]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

GF drove by the local e85 station last night and it was $2.69/gallon, premium 93 here by comparison is $3.49/gallon

Here, it's like $3.09/2.57. That's regular 87 though. 92 was $3.29 last place I looked.

Thought this was interesting...
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/20628.pdf

Assuming the 72% mileage thing is correct...

20 MPG would be about 15 MPG.

On a 300 mile trip, the 20 gals of E85 would be $51.40
The 15 gals of 92 is $49.35.

It would take $3.43 super UL to break even. However, you're not gonna get the 97 octane of the liquor...

Later,

Dig

 

[E-Rue]

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this wasnt meant to be a political arguement.... i really dont ahve much of a preference of political parties. just want them to do the right thing. the E85 tune i have on the sy is amaizingly happy, and like i said the price of gas like it is, now makes it cheaper to run. i can say the tune seems to have very minor issues with really cold air. just doesnt feel as good even tho the AFR and timing levels are the same. has anyone seen similar results with cold intake air and alcohol? im still experimenting with plug gap and plug type..... hoping to have a dead nuts perfect tune with a little more experimenting. im also amaized at how much timing iv got in my tune right now. some sections of it have 35-40 deg of advance.

e

 

[turbodig]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

this wasnt meant to be a political arguement.... i really dont ahve much of a preference of political parties. just want them to do the right thing. the E85 tune i have on the sy is amaizingly happy, and like i said the price of gas like it is, now makes it cheaper to run. i can say the tune seems to have very minor issues with really cold air. just doesnt feel as good even tho the AFR and timing levels are the same. has anyone seen similar results with cold intake air and alcohol? im still experimenting with plug gap and plug type..... hoping to have a dead nuts perfect tune with a little more experimenting. im also amaized at how much timing iv got in my tune right now. some sections of it have 35-40 deg of advance.

e

I've noticed really poor idle quality on < 50 degree days... didn't have much tuning time into it, though. This is where having EGR could be useful to get the manifold warmed up a bit faster...


Dig

 

[TyGuyJeff]

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Gas is 3.60 in Ca here where I'm at.

Let those ricks at the oil companies report record profits in the billions. makes me want to turd on their doorstep.

 

[E-Rue]

Re: E85 price ballance? feeling the gas crunch

I've noticed really poor idle quality on < 50 degree days... didn't have much tuning time into it, though. This is where having EGR could be useful to get the manifold warmed up a bit faster...


Dig

yeah thats where im having issues.... <50 deg outside temps make the overall drivability a little sluggish. its not extreemly noticable, so i didnt even pick up on it at first, but as the tune got smoother and smoother i started to notice it more. iv got a few ideas about it i hope to try out soon, but the cold weather is gone, so im not even sure if ill be able to do any testing till the fall. im hoping a tighter gapped irridium plug, and a warmer thermostat will smooth it out a little more. it wont take much to make it totally unnoticable.

e

 

[E-Rue]

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i did some poking around, and im thinking the alky is condensing when sprayed into the cold air, and causing issues..... not sure what im gonna do to resolve this issue...... i wonder what the effect would be of not running an intercooler at all. this would totally explain my cold start roughness as well..... i didnt even think about this. more turbulant air might hold the fuel better..... but im thinking its also gonna take heat to work properly. i know in subarus they use something called TGV valves that close at idle and force the air thru a venturi to cause extreem turbulance at idle and cold start. this helps with atomization since its located right at the injector. it also reduces emissions and lowers fuel consumption by limiting the amount of air that goes into the chamber at idle, and thus lowering the amount of fuel being burned. iv never ran into an issue before where i need to actually heat the air going into the motor..... this is so wierd. i think i need an intercooler in the summer and an intake air warmer in the winter.

hmmmmm i wonder if on ethanol cars its gonna be better to use an air to water intercooler, and use a radiator loop for heated water in the winter and a separate air cooled water supply in the summer...... sure would be cool if i made one with an automatic valve that changed position based on a temp switch in the intake air stream....... hmmmmmm

although the cold start roughness will not be solved, drivability in cold weather would. i used to own a camaro that had an intake vent line attached to the exhaust manifold to draw warm air at idle/cold start.

im gonna have to do a lot more thinking on this.

e

 

[Black Knight]

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Just doing some E85 research before we start tuning the truck and I was actually amazed that there isn't a public E85 station anywhere in central Ca., but there's about 5 public ones in NV.

I guess it will have to wait since the nearest station is about 400 miles away, well there's a private one 10 miles away, bastards.

http://afdcmap2.nrel.gov/locator/FindNearResult.asp

 

[natsforever]

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A private gas station? I'm not sure what that is. Would that be for a vehicle fleet, like taxi cabs or cop cars?

 

[Seti]

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I'm back in San Diego today to pick up my Ty and gas is $3.89 down here. About 30 cent more than in Seattle when I left. The only place I know of to get E85 in WA however is the military base.

S.