E85
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warmpancakes
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Re: E85
Around here its 110 octane I tuned the new motor on it, EGTs went way down But BSFC went through the roof ( larger injectrors)
Around here its 110 octane I tuned the new motor on it, EGTs went way down But BSFC went through the roof ( larger injectrors)
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: E85
I always thought BSFC stood for Brake Specific Fuel Consumption. Which is a measure of how many pounds of fuel an engine consumes per hour per useful horsepower.. or in other words a measurement of an engine's efficiency
I always thought BSFC stood for Brake Specific Fuel Consumption. Which is a measure of how many pounds of fuel an engine consumes per hour per useful horsepower.. or in other words a measurement of an engine's efficiency
warmpancakes
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Re: E85
yes E-85 it takes more fuel to make the same power Its is not as "efficent " of a fuel as gas
yes E-85 it takes more fuel to make the same power Its is not as "efficent " of a fuel as gas
warmpancakes
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yes but you dont get as good of milage plug a stock motor is not tuned for it you woulkd have to custom burn a chip
yes but you dont get as good of milage plug a stock motor is not tuned for it you woulkd have to custom burn a chip
canadian
sy in progress
Re: E85
E85 packs less energy per gallon than gas does so you're not going to get the same mileage from the same amount of fuel. The benefit is that the octane rating on E85 is 100 or more depending on the "proof" of the ethanol going into it and the ratio mixed with gas (E85 = 85%). Most regular cars can run on E10 which I believe is also called oxygenated fuel sold in California and a few other states.
Now, as for the price, the typical formula is to take the price per gallon of gas and divide by 1.33. If the price per gallon of E85 is higher than the resulting number, you're not saving any money due to the need for more of it to go the same distance.
I'm not concerned with mileage as much as I am the octane rating on it. Since E85 only used to be sold at two private locations (one way north and the other Kennedy Space Center), there was no way to get it. Now that it will eventually be for sale to the public, it makes the future plans for the truck sway over to E85 instead of gas.
Since there is less energy and to take full benefit of the fuel, a custom tune will be a necessity. The other concerns are the fuel system as a whole. I've been trying to find information about retrofitting to regular cars and all the information says NOT to use it on a car that isn't prepped for it. There are a lot of FFV (Flex Fuel Vehicles) sold by the big 3 that will work, but older cars won't. Part of the issue is that ethanol is a cleaning agent and will loosen deposits in tanks and such, leading to clogged injectors. I think you need different injectors capable of handling the ethanol content as well.
Ken, do you have any information on your build?
E85 packs less energy per gallon than gas does so you're not going to get the same mileage from the same amount of fuel. The benefit is that the octane rating on E85 is 100 or more depending on the "proof" of the ethanol going into it and the ratio mixed with gas (E85 = 85%). Most regular cars can run on E10 which I believe is also called oxygenated fuel sold in California and a few other states.
Now, as for the price, the typical formula is to take the price per gallon of gas and divide by 1.33. If the price per gallon of E85 is higher than the resulting number, you're not saving any money due to the need for more of it to go the same distance.
I'm not concerned with mileage as much as I am the octane rating on it. Since E85 only used to be sold at two private locations (one way north and the other Kennedy Space Center), there was no way to get it. Now that it will eventually be for sale to the public, it makes the future plans for the truck sway over to E85 instead of gas.
Since there is less energy and to take full benefit of the fuel, a custom tune will be a necessity. The other concerns are the fuel system as a whole. I've been trying to find information about retrofitting to regular cars and all the information says NOT to use it on a car that isn't prepped for it. There are a lot of FFV (Flex Fuel Vehicles) sold by the big 3 that will work, but older cars won't. Part of the issue is that ethanol is a cleaning agent and will loosen deposits in tanks and such, leading to clogged injectors. I think you need different injectors capable of handling the ethanol content as well.
Ken, do you have any information on your build?
warmpancakes
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Re: E85
what do you want to know?
what do you want to know?
warmpancakes
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Re: E85
A proper tune will eliminate the need " for bandages"Loeryder said:
BigBadSmoosh
Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: E85
ok, so to clarify..
run a stock sy/ty on E85 and you will run 11s. :tup:
warmpancakes said:
ok, so to clarify..
run a stock sy/ty on E85 and you will run 11s. :tup:
warmpancakes
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Re: E85
you need the KB catalog also
smaug said:
you need the KB catalog also
warmpancakes
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Thats a question I cant answer I took all the factory stuff and tossed it in the trash, but I do know you will have to thing you are fueling with alc, because the viscosity of e-85 is alot thinner and it also has a lower specific gravity so you will need more pump and more injector
canadian said:
Thats a question I cant answer I took all the factory stuff and tossed it in the trash, but I do know you will have to thing you are fueling with alc, because the viscosity of e-85 is alot thinner and it also has a lower specific gravity so you will need more pump and more injector
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: E85
I put in about 4 gal. per fill up the rest is Sonoco 93 so far so good.
I put in about 4 gal. per fill up the rest is Sonoco 93 so far so good.
Anthony
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Re: E85
Hey, that's me!
I ran through about 4 full tanks of 100% E85 last year. I can tell you that E85 seemed to drive much better in my Ty and idle quality was noticably better. My engine temps ran about 3 degrees cooler on average with it as well. It also smells a lot better than regular gas.
You do need to pump A LOT more E85 into the engine to keep it happy. I don't think 50# injectors would even be enough if you're running high boost. I ran into a problem where my stock ignition couldn't keep up anymore with the amount of fuel it had to burn through at high boost. Because of that, I can only say I ran as fast on E85 as I did with 92 octane and alky. I didn't tune the E85 setup as much as I did the 92 and alky setup, though, so I'm sure the E85 setup had a lot left in it.
I think I averaged about 14 mpg with the E85, so you'll definitely be filling up more. E85 also does a nice job of cleaning whatever it touches, so be sure to keep a fresh fuel filter in there. It's supposed to have a problem with aluminum and rubber, but I saw no signs of corrosion anywhere when I took apart the fuel system last winter. The afpr I was using still looked perfect after running it. I'm not saying that running it 100% won't produce corrosion problems down the road, I just didn't see any after the 4 tanks with my setup.
So if you know how to tune and have the setup for it, throw 100% E85 in there and let her rip. It *should* work okay
nallj92 said:
Hey, that's me!
I ran through about 4 full tanks of 100% E85 last year. I can tell you that E85 seemed to drive much better in my Ty and idle quality was noticably better. My engine temps ran about 3 degrees cooler on average with it as well. It also smells a lot better than regular gas.
You do need to pump A LOT more E85 into the engine to keep it happy. I don't think 50# injectors would even be enough if you're running high boost. I ran into a problem where my stock ignition couldn't keep up anymore with the amount of fuel it had to burn through at high boost. Because of that, I can only say I ran as fast on E85 as I did with 92 octane and alky. I didn't tune the E85 setup as much as I did the 92 and alky setup, though, so I'm sure the E85 setup had a lot left in it.
I think I averaged about 14 mpg with the E85, so you'll definitely be filling up more. E85 also does a nice job of cleaning whatever it touches, so be sure to keep a fresh fuel filter in there. It's supposed to have a problem with aluminum and rubber, but I saw no signs of corrosion anywhere when I took apart the fuel system last winter. The afpr I was using still looked perfect after running it. I'm not saying that running it 100% won't produce corrosion problems down the road, I just didn't see any after the 4 tanks with my setup.
So if you know how to tune and have the setup for it, throw 100% E85 in there and let her rip. It *should* work okay
Double12
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From what I've read, E-85 is corrosive to seals in the fuel system. How much can one put through a syty before turning it into an ethanol sprinkler system? I have no idea. There was someone running E-85 and mixing it with x amount of Marvel Mystery Oil per tank a while back, but I don't know how that turned out. Hopefully they will chime in and let us know how it went.
From what I've read, E-85 is corrosive to seals in the fuel system. How much can one put through a syty before turning it into an ethanol sprinkler system? I have no idea. There was someone running E-85 and mixing it with x amount of Marvel Mystery Oil per tank a while back, but I don't know how that turned out. Hopefully they will chime in and let us know how it went.