E85

[Jer]

Re: E85

It will take roughly 20-25% more E85 for the same power output using petrol fuel. My buddy is converting his MKIV Supra to run E85 and plans to be ~800whp when he converts. The problem is it takes huge injectors to flow enough fuel and special components that can withstand the use of E85.

Ethanol (makes up 85% of the E85 fuel) is VERY corrosive to aluminum and rubber and as a result vehicles not designed to run E85 will experience premature failure from the use of it.

I would NOT suggest running it in your car unless you take the necessary precautions to run it.

E85 can be purchased at the pump for ~$2/gal and Sonoco reps can get it for about half that & E85 can be made with 140 octane!

 

[canadian]

Re: E85

If E85 is corrosive to aluminum, wouldn't it eat the lower intake up since it's going to get into the runners?

 

[George Blake]

Re: E85

I don't think the E85 was originally intended to be a "performance" alternative. It was meant to curb the dependence on foreign oil and be a renewable resource since it's derived from corn. In Brazil they use sugar cain. 85% meth/15% traditional dino. Now that the government has figured out how to tax it, we can have it. I'll get it as soon as it's closer to cincinnati, just so I can do my part to be self reliant....now if they'll just quit paying farmers subsidies NOT to grow corn....

 

[jjorgensen52]

Re: E85

I'm running E10 in the Ty now, haven't noticed any problems, but I assume that any that will occur will happen much more slowly with the lower ethanol ratio

 

[Jersey 91/93]

Re: E85

I'm running E10 in the Ty now, haven't noticed any problems, but I assume that any that will occur will happen much more slowly with the lower ethanol ratio

The motor has 5 miles on it... how the hell would you have noticed any problems?

 

[jjorgensen52]

Re: E85

The motor has 5 miles on it... how the hell would you have noticed any problems?

7 ... it's been in the tank and the lines for a good month and a half now :squint:
plus all the dyno work was done with E10 :lol:

 

[bezerk]

Re: E85

what's e85?

 

[Daron]

Re: E85

A proper tune will eliminate the need " for bandages"

I suppose you consider an intercooler a "bandage" as well seeing as both perform the same job.

Oh wait, thats right, Corky said it is so, thus it must be... Its a good thing people don't listen to such dribble or we all would still be rollin 200 hp V-8s.

 

[Syclone#1992]

Re: E85

A proper tune will eliminate the need " for bandages"

The truck has to be together first, Ken! :lol:

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

what's e85?

www.google.com

Welcome to the 90's.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

I suppose you consider an intercooler a "bandage" as well seeing as both perform the same job.

Oh wait, thats right, Corky said it is so, thus it must be... Its a good thing people don't listen to such dribble or we all would still be rollin 200 hp V-8s.

No an intercooler has a purpose more power, alc injection is a crutch or bandage, and not needed when turbo motor is tuned properly

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

alc injection is a crutch or bandage, and not needed when turbo motor is tuned properly

That's your opinion.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

That's your opinion.

Im not alone that "opinion": was forced into me by a certain engineer at a company that builds F1 motors when I tried to install it when we were dynoing the second motor

 

[nallj92]

Re: E85

im curious now, id like to hear more on your theory please

to keep the thread on topic, im going to try some E85 next month when i get access to the ty.

Im not alone that "opinion": was forced into me by a certain engineer at a company that builds F1 motors when I tried to install it when we were dynoing the second motor

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

look at it this way the alc is a secondary means of adding a fuel type, so by doing that you are saying the injectors are not giving enought fuel

 

[qbnkiller]

Re: E85

I am currently running 50% E85, 50% 87-octane in the Ty. I will be going to 100% E85 now that I can get it locally. As a side note, I am also running 4-gallons E85 to 6-gallons 87-octane in my 1996 Honda Civic with no additional tuning. The first tank...within the forst 50 miles, you DEFINITELY felt a SOTP difference in performance. I lost a bit of mileage at first because I couldn't help playing with the car a little more. Now that things have stabilized, I am getting a drop in efficiency of 2-3MPG (down to 37-38MPG). And it's cheaper......more gooder!

 

[nallj92]

Re: E85

so what about water injection since its not a new fuel being introduced but reduces knock and cools intake charges?

look at it this way the alc is a secondary means of adding a fuel type, so by doing that you are saying the injectors are not giving enought fuel

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

so what about water injection since its not a new fuel being introduced but reduces knock and cools intake charges?

That is technically a form of an intercooler

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

look at it this way the alc is a secondary means of adding a fuel type, so by doing that you are saying the injectors are not giving enought fuel

Even with proper fueling (Bigger injectors, more pumps, better lines and fuel rails) there are benefits that alky injection offer that can't be had with 'proper fueling' which means it's NOT a band aid fix.

Not to mention guys spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on fuel systems for a Supra and then run ~$5/gal gas when a $500 alky injection kit will do the same at a cost of less than a dime per gallon (based on the price and amount of methanol I'm running currently) in additional fueling.

So, say what you will but many other communities have already accepted this fact years ago and are well beyond the learning curve and have proven it to be reliable and trustworthy when done correctly. Personally, I will never own another turbo charged vehicle that does NOT have alky injection.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

the 5.00 gas is a good reson to run the alky but thats where e85 comes in