E85

[BigBadSmoosh]

Re: E85

Even with proper fueling (Bigger injectors, more pumps, better lines and fuel rails) there are benefits that alky injection offer that can't be had with 'proper fueling' which means it's NOT a band aid fix.

Not to mention guys spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on fuel systems for a Supra and then run ~$5/gal gas when a $500 alky injection kit will do the same at a cost of less than a dime per gallon (based on the price and amount of methanol I'm running currently) in additional fueling.

So, say what you will but many other communities have already accepted this fact years ago and are well beyond the learning curve and have proven it to be reliable and trustworthy when done correctly. Personally, I will never own another turbo charged vehicle that does NOT have alky injection.

what it boils down to, is ken is lazy. If he can fill up one tank he is happy, if he has to fill up two he is an unhappy man. :tup:

E85 has promise, and if and when i get a chance, i'll give it a shot.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

what it boils down to, is ken is lazy. If he can fill up one tank he is happy, if he has to fill up two he is an unhappy man. :tup:

E85 has promise, and if and when i get a chance, i'll give it a shot.

That too plus Its one other tank to hide, plus it will be sweet to rund 10s in a "green vehicle"

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

Re: E85

That too plus Its one other tank to hide, plus it will be sweet to rund 10s in a "green vehicle"

you do that, and I will buy you a patruli *spelling?* oil tree air freshener for your rearview.

running 10s in birkenstocks and dreds is rad.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

you do that, and I will buy you a patruli *spelling?* oil tree air freshener for your rearview.

running 10s in birkenstocks and dreds is rad.

You gonna come hang out with the rest of the tree hugging hippie idiots and play hackey sack? :roll:

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

the 5.00 gas is a good reson to run the alky but thats where e85 comes in

Now you're talking even MORE of a fuel system to get roughly 25% more fuel to make the same amount of power and those parts all need to be able to withstand the harsh affects of E85 that standard fuel components just aren't able to withstand.

 

[bezerk]

Re: E85

www.google.com

Welcome to the 90's.

:roll:

thanks, i thought this board was to share information, and not google every stupid question.

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

That too plus Its one other tank to hide, plus it will be sweet to rund 10s in a "green vehicle"

Another not-so-well known fact is that Ethanol (corn, barley or wheat based alky that is the primary ingredient in E85) isn't as eco-friendly to produce. Sure it might burn cleaner than petroleum based fuels but there's more to the overall picture than just the end result that the car manufacturers & government would like to focus on.

So, it's a great alternative to foreign dependency on oil but is NOT the environmental friend that it's being marketed as. Remember, just because it comes from a plant doesn't make it eco-friendly.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

The harsh affects are mostly on the O-rings remember alochol has been used for years in top sportsman so its just a matter of changing a few o-rings

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

stupid question.

Haha... I'm not the one who said it.

E85 isn't a new term and has been discussed greatly in the news and media for some time now. If you don't understand the basics of what it is then a 30 second search (roughly the same amount of time it took you to post the question here) would catch you up to speed.

It's an alcohol based fuel that is 85% Ethanol (also known ethyl alcohol or grain alcohol is a flammable colorless chemical compound) and 15% petroleum based fuel (read: what your car runs on now) and new vehicles are being designed to run on this fuel.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

Haha... I'm not the one who said it.

E85 isn't a new term and has been discussed greatly in the news and media for some time now. If you don't understand the basics of what it is then a 30 second search (roughly the same amount of time it took you to post the question here) would catch you up to speed.

It's an alcohol based fuel that is 85% Ethanol (also known ethyl alcohol or grain alcohol is a flammable colorless chemical compound) and 15% petroleum based fuel (read: what your car runs on now) and new vehicles are being designed to run on this fuel.

:tup:
wow pretty fancy answer:tup: But keep in mind we (ford) have been building fles fuel vehicles since the early 90s, you can Id them but the FFV emblem or the tree and road decal (shameless plug for the people who sign the check)

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

The harsh affects are mostly on the O-rings remember alochol has been used for years in top sportsman so its just a matter of changing a few o-rings

Oh, you mean the same cars that run open turbos w/o filters?

Not a good comparison. Drag cars are run 1/4 per pass for a several dozen passes per season. How does this compare to a car that is run approx. 18,000 miles per year? In a vehicle that runs alcohol doesn't as much care about long-term reliability.

There are more parts affected then just the o-rings. The injectors themselves are even affected and a special titanium injector is used for these applications.

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

:tup:
wow pretty fancy answer:tup: But keep in mind we (ford) have been building fles fuel vehicles since the early 90s, you can Id them but the FFV emblem or the tree and road decal (shameless plug for the people who sign the check)

Just like Olds had a car back in 1963 that had turbo charged car w/alky injection from the factory but only recently has alky injection become the 'new thing' and people are beginning to see the benefits to forced induction applications it presents.

Most people aren't familiar with these flex fuel vehicles as only recently have these alternative fuel powered vehicles become trendy. These things ALL predate our times it's just a matter of what the public asks for with their buying dollars before manufacturers do something about them. The government mandating when we need to be E85 is only making matters worse (hence current gas prices due to petroleum futures which is what our gas prices are based on) and really isn't expediting the process as buyers had already begun a trend towards cars that run on less gas (A trend the rest of the world has been on for decades now) which is clearly evident in the stocks of Ford and Chevy which are two primary manufacturers who love to build huge SUVs and trucks that chug gas. They had a record low in sales and decided to finally build the vehicles they've had the technology to build for decades and market them to save their sales. Such is capitalism. Supply & demand.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

I have a turbo flid just some where from the olds starfire i cut up years ago glass jar that you bought bottle of rubbing alc for at the dealer

 

[Jer]

Re: E85

I have a turbo flid just some where from the olds starfire i cut up years ago glass jar that you bought bottle of rubbing alc for at the dealer

Okay man, I was able to sift through the other posts after a few readings but this one is a mystery even to me.

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

Okay man, I was able to sift through the other posts after a few readings but this one is a mystery even to me.

That what went in the bottle you refered to it was called turbo fluid

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

http://www.442.com/articles/jetfire.html

 

[bezerk]

Re: E85

as for E85, i am not in the USA, but in the netherlands europe.
why don't you guys start to use LPG about 50% of the price of gas, and has 110 octane ratings

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: E85

Because its way too regulated for road usage

 

[juicehead9]

Re: E85

come on guys play nice alky has its goods and bad as well as E--85 but nothing is as good as a good tune, it may be with alk may not....lol I know when i ran e-85 it sucked on gas milage but o well I do not have a good propshaft...

 

[Timbo]

Re: E85

No an intercooler has a purpose more power, alc injection is a crutch or bandage, and not needed when turbo motor is tuned properly

You could say that Ken, but that would also classify a turbo as a bandage for an underpowered naturally aspirated motor. You shouldn't need a turbo if you have a high-compression naturally aspirated motor that's tuned properly.
You could also say that high-octane gas is a bandage, since it reduces knock. Your motor shouldn't have knock in the first place, right?