Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

Darin

New member
I've been chasing a low boost issue for a while now, and I have it down to either a faulty boost solenoid or faulty wiring to the solenoid itself. Boost was slow to come on and maxed out at 8-9psi. I hooked up the datamaster and saw ZERO knock with it running 8-9 psi, so that eliminated the ECU trying to limit boost. I then removed the hose from the boost solenoid that leads to the wastegate can, and gingerly went for a drive. I saw pressures up to 12-13 psi, so that eliminated a clogged cat. I've also redone the entire vac lines on the truck, including the stock boost controller.

So, I pulled the boost solenoid and applied 12V directly to it, and it does make clicking noises, so it is functioning. I also noticed that while unplugged without any voltage to it one can easily blow through it. I wasn't able to apply 12V to the unit and blow though it as I didn't have a set of clip cords small enough that wouldn't short out, I didn't have enough hands.

So, this leads me to believe that the boost solenoid is normally open. It would also lead me to believe that upon the key being on at the truck running, there should be 12V on one of the wires leading up the boost solenoid to close it off, as the solenoid should be closed to help with spool and building boost. The valve should then open upon reaching 14.5 psi (or opening/closing on some sort of duty cycle) to keep that 14.5 psi.

So, whats my problem? Is the solenoid toast or should there be 12V on one of the wires leading to the boost controller? On a DSM the stock boost solenoid is Normally Closed and opens under knock issues, lowering the boost from 12ish down to 8. I'm not sure how the Syty is setup.

In the interim I've stuck a manual controller on there set to 13psi. The DM still looks good with minimal knock retard(~1 or less across).
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

What do you have for a chip? The Ultimate usually require some tightening of the wastegate rod to get to teh desired boost level. With mine it and the stock waste gate position would goto 9 psi and then take until 3 rd gear before I reach any near full boost. I ended up tighten the wastegate rod 2.5 turns.
 

Darin

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Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

It's an unknown chip. All I know is that it raises the timing. I would like to go back to a stock chip, actually. It won't go past 8-9 psi in any gear under any engine load. I didn't even consider adjusting the wastegate rod. I'll do that today. I'm still curious about how the stock boost solenoid actually works, however.
 

mattw

Active member
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

I think this is how the stocker works:

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EDIT: Now that I think about it I may be wrong. Stock is very similar to one of these setups though.. Maybe someone can let us know which on it is..

http://mattw.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/pic..._Project/engine/Boost Solenoid Configurations


-Matt
 

turbodig

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Darin

New member
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

The stock config is actually the picture labeled "AAB" in your diagrams, just substitute in a internal gate canister instead of a external gate in the diagram.

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JSM

Active member
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

Dig is correct obviously 100% DC is full boost, 0% will be minimum.

The ecm stock holds the DC to 100% until 3 or so PSI, then it defaults to a table for WGDC. Typically around 70% or so. From here ECM looks at desired boost vs actual and starts to make adjustments.

So you should see 12v while not in boost, less than 12v above 3psi. Stock solenoids had a filter on 1 of the nipples. If that filter is gone and you hook up vacuum line to that nipple it won't work correctly.
 

Darin

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Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

It's hooked up correctly, the bottom nipple has some sort of filter on it. It's hooked up exactly as the diagram that I posted was.

Ok, so I don't see 12V at idle. That means wiring problem, or maybe ECU. Great. I guess it could also be the chip, but that makes NO sense to me. Can someone verify 12V and idle for me before I tear the entire harness apart? I'd sure appreciate it.
 

WyoSyclone

Active member
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

Could be a bad boost relay... one to the right of the pair mounted behind the dizzy... maybe try substituting the relay real quick.
 

Darin

New member
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

The one next to the IC pump relay? Will do. I'll check that ASAP.
 

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

What do you have for a chip? The Ultimate usually require some tightening of the wastegate rod to get to teh desired boost level. With mine it and the stock waste gate position would goto 9 psi and then take until 3 rd gear before I reach any near full boost. I ended up tighten the wastegate rod 2.5 turns.

On reason for that is the ultimates had scaled boost. I think most of the ultimates had the MPH hack for boost in it so it wouldn't reach full boost until you get in the 70-80mph range. Now if it didn't have the MPH hack, and was still based on TPS%, it wouldn't get full boost until 100% throttle. but seeing how it wouldn't get full boost until 3rd gear... that sounds like the MPH hack was in the chip. Here is what a 15psi Desired Boost -vs- RPM and MPH (F70_MPH) table looks like in the V6 Ultimate. Until you hit the 70-80mph range you won't get full boost.
 

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thunderace31

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Re: Factory Boost Solenoid Operation

So how do you get full boost out of the hole?? My ty is doing this and its driving me nuts! I want 15psi at the hit of the throttle not at 70 mph :(
 
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