Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

Rexxenexx

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As some may know I couldn't start the Ty a couple weeks ago, but Dave helped get it started by disconnecting the coolant temp sensor at the front of the engine. That's pretty much how I have to start it if I want it to fire up on first try. It idles high, then steps lower and lower until it dies. After starting with the sensor off I can turn off the car, plug it back and try again and I have a better chance of starting with the sensor on. It takes like two or three LONG tries. With the sensor on it can hold idle and doesn't start w/ high revs like with it off.

Ok now you sort-of have the sitrep. Today I did some tests.
1: inj light test on all injectors = all working good.
2. voltage 12.11 off 14.30 on
3. fuel pressure on rail was 32# with the coolant sensor off 27# with coolant sensor on. Pushing the bleeder on the gauge doesn't shoot the gas out the hose the way it used to! It used to come out like someone peeing now it comes out like someone finishing peeing. :D Then the pressure comes up again. So something is fishy.
4. Checked power at alt. going to the fuel pump and it was same as in #2/good.
5. Tried applying pressure +5#/-5# with a Mityvac to the FPR and the pressure didn't move at all. <-weird!

When I turn the key (ign/ engine off) the pressure builds up and the pump goes off and the pressure drops fast/instantly. WTF!! AGAIN! I had this exact problem a while back and it turned out the hose from the pump to the sending unit wasn't fuel rated (came with the 255hp Walbro Racetronix kit) and blew. I replaced it not long ago with specific high pressure in-tank hose the guy at Earls gave me, so hopefully the hose is loose not blown. I can hear the whine of the pump and it sounds good but it also sounds sloshy like it's picking up air. The FPR sounds the same. The way this is going I should pull the carpet, drop the tank, cut a hole for an access door so don't have to keep dropping the tank over and over again!

The newest things on the car since I found the blown hose a while back:
1. fuel sending unit (Doorman I think was it's make)
2. Extended the hose above tank to make it easier to drop/install (All Earls black nylon braided)
3. fuel filter (in-tank/out-tank)
4. FPR (NAPA-Delphi)
5. MSD cap/rotor/wires/coil
6. Sparkplugs (NGKs)

I'll get to it all when I have time to, but I'm posting this so hopefully it helps others; also I'd like to get some ideas for a bulletproof fuel delivery setup. I was thinking good quality hose from the FSU all the way to the front. Nylon braided short at the tank connected to an Aeroquip check valve then a good quality reusable fuel filter -or two- to steel-braided all the way to the rail. The same coming back minus the filter and check valve. Maybe Nylon braided all the way to be flexible and non-marring. For the little hose inside the tank I dunno WTF to do. Maybe have it loop once so as to not build pressure at the top? If I remember correctly it might be too short to do that or maybe I can bend the line so I can. I know I have pics somewhere of this. Tell me what you all think or what you have done.
 
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skipztt

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

dont u want ur fuel pressure around #50??

also i would drop the tank again and check out whats going on in there. i know it sucks but its not too bad, especially if you already have done it a few times..lol. maybe you should invest in an adjustable FPR. i have one that u could use. maybe ur fuel pump is taking a crap..idk?
 

Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

This looks familiar...

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Except the hose blew on a oem fsu, fpr, and no hose extensions. So I'm frikken lost other than the Walbro has some serious gonads!?
I'm gonna clean the pump cap the ends and put it in storage then go buy a stock pump and fsu from NAPA and put a small piece of braided hose from the pump to the fsu. That'l at least have zero chance of 'sploding. Then I'll have enough time to think over a new setup without the car being a DOA-POS.

These are picsI took last time the hose blew:

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What's the best way of cleaning the gas tank of rust?

EDIT: BTW The made in China patented insta-rust!(tm) FSU is a Doorman unit I bought from SummitRacing. The old adage "You get what you pay for" applies here.

EDIT2: Ordered the whole assembly fp,fsu,etc.(Delphi) from NAPA. $360 bones. I washed out the tank, let it dry in the sun, then duct-taped the openings and put it in the garage for when I get the new stuff.
 
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Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

dont u want ur fuel pressure around #50??

also i would drop the tank again and check out whats going on in there. i know it sucks but its not too bad, especially if you already have done it a few times..lol. maybe you should invest in an adjustable FPR. i have one that u could use. maybe ur fuel pump is taking a crap..idk?

I've got an adjustable fpr in storage...I can't really decide if I should put it on until I have things working in the delivery department first. :( I had no real change going from oem to a NAPA fpr so I guess we'll see how things work out with a stock pump 'n stuff. But for sure that's in the plans. :) I'm still thinking their might be a restriction in the line. Why else would it keep blowing the hose? Maybe going to full braided lines is a good idea...well I gotta mull it over.
 

Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

The Delphi assembly looks a thousand times better quality than the Doorman. The pump is already mounted with hose, clips, and sock so it's pretty much plug-and-play. I decided it's not a good idea to make that little piece of hose braided because I'd rather the hose blow IN the tank than out.

You guys think it's about time to get a new gas tank or rinse and reuse?
 

Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

Good idea. I thought they only make those for boats. ;)
Has anyone used that poly tank for a long period? That top looks kind of hokey. I probably could fab up a better ring instead of one screw tabs.
 

SY2932

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

Good idea. I thought they only make those for boats. ;)
Has anyone used that poly tank for a long period? That top looks kind of hokey. I probably could fab up a better ring instead of one screw tabs.

Got that right, it looks like they take a "fence post", section it up, hammer the pieces flat and then secure them with sheet metal screws... This is a close up of what my tank looked like for my old S10:roll::

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"Cheesy "bungless" mount setup (from the factory) on an otherwise well made MTS plastic tank bought from JC Whitney. Used on my old daily after the old tank developed rust pin holes."
 

SY2932

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again


Yep, that would be a direct replacement for a SYCLONE. But you need a gas tank for a Jimmy/Blazer ;)...

EDIT: Ok I see that they have the wrong picture in the link that you posted :roll:. The tank that I had in my old S10 looks like the #2100 tank in 4C FED's link above. So yes, that is the tank that you would need if ya wanna go plastic...
 

Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

I think that's a stock photo? It says "1983 - 1995 GMC S-15 Jimmy". You have a JCWhitney number because they're not showing if its the MTS 2200 number.

EDIT: :) K Cool I'll order it.
 

SY2932

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

I think that's a stock photo? It says "1983 - 1995 GMC S-15 Jimmy". You have a JCWhitney number because they're not showing if its the MTS 2200 number.

EDIT: :) K Cool I'll order it.

Yeah, it's one of those "product may differ from picture" deals. I knew something was up when I noticed that the filler neck was on the end of the tank in the picture rather than on the side in the center :lol:. If you want to be sure, just ask the operator when you order it if they can tell you the manufacturer's product number for it.
 

Rexxenexx

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Re: Hard to start,rough idle, I think I blew fuel pmp hose in-tank again

Just ordered it online, $158.98 total. I trust it's the right one. I'll take pics when it gets here. :)
 
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