HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Spinall4

New member
If I ever get my car sold and a then can get me a sy/ty, the first thing I'm doing is adding those, plus the HID head lights. I'm sick of not being able to see shit at night. I figure if they are too small to fill the opening, I'll just make some lenses out of plexi that make them look bigger, and will protect them from rock chips. Also, that seems to be the most expensive place for them. I've seen both the hid head lamps, and those for sale for 299$ in several places, I think summit was one.
 

spooldup

Super Member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Just keep your stock lights and install an hid bulb inside it. I did this and they are as bright as i could want them.
 

hatrik8

Donating Member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

spooldup said:
Just keep your stock lights and install an hid bulb inside it. I did this and they are as bright as i could want them.


Do you have a part number or any info on the bulb?
 

kendoo130

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

spooldup said:
Just keep your stock lights and install an hid bulb inside it. I did this and they are as bright as i could want them.


Isn't the HID bulb too long? Wouldn't they touch the actual lens?

any info would be helpful

thanks

Ken
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

I just installed the bi- xeon (high/low) hid kit on my truck but haven't had time yet to test it but i'd have to think i won't be using my fogs anymore since the hid driving lights will be more then enough light over stock
 

lavaman

envision whirled peas
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Deanzsyclone said:
I am considering adding these HID fog lights to the truck (since I will get HID headlights too) but they look way off size, and I don't have my truck back from it's new engine install... are these to small to fit proplerly? looks like they will have an ugly gap if put in place.

http://www.brightheadlights-hid.com/Xenon-HID-fog-Lights.htm

I'm not anywhere near my truck to measure but I think they're too wide if not too tall.
 

MAITAI1993

DON'T MAKE ME SLAP YOU.
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

i can get as many sets of hid fogs and any hid kits you guys want.
any bulb any temp as many as you want from 3000 to 12000 k
3000 yellow i have them in my fogs
4300 white
5000 whiteish blue
6000 blue
8000 real blue i have these in the headlights
9000 bluish white
10000 super white i have these in my BMW
12000 purple pink bright as fu_k

sy ty guys $290 a set plus $10 shipping
maybe the more i order at once they will give me a small brake they come from germany.
top of the line retail is $485 and $25 shipping so the manufactor hooks me up for $290 +free shipping to me.. :tup:
also Dean you can use a stock fog light bucket and an H1 bulb to replace stock bulb if you do not have that shucks sells a fog light replacement bucket made by blazer but just do an H4 conv. in your headlight and screw the fogs i dont even use my high beam or my fogs now i have HIDs in my headlights..


let me know bulb type and and temp.. thanks
 

spooldup

Super Member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

they are just regular h3 sockets. All you need is an h3 hid kit. Prices for the kits will vary depending on the name brand. I spent around 200 for my kit but i don't have a name brand. They work fine though.
 

MAITAI1993

DON'T MAKE ME SLAP YOU.
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

spooldup said:
they are just regular h3 sockets. All you need is an h3 hid kit. Prices for the kits will vary depending on the name brand. I spent around 200 for my kit but i don't have a name brand. They work fine though.
for fogs or headlights because h4 is the conversion and most fog are H1 but yes there are a few that are H3
 

Spinall4

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

I wouldn't waste your time putting HID bulbs into the stock housings.

You'll blind the **** out of on coming traffic. All oem's using HID have special optics designed so that the extra light ends up down on the road, not in other drivers eyes. Us laws require that 30% or so of light output from headlights actaualy goes up to illuminate road signs and such. If you tripple the light out put (what going from a stock halogen bulb to 4300k HID's do), you tripple the amount of light in other drivers eyes. Retrofit kits are against the law, and this is the reason.

Get a real kit that includes a reflector or projectors, or retrofit some stock HID optics into your truck. FYI, Going from the Sylvania xenarc h0654 reflector kit to a set of stock Acura TSX projectors and HID's was a night and day difference. Cut off was "ok" in the reflector housing, its great with the projectors.

Do not waste your time with anything other than 4300k or 6000k bulbs. Any other color is a coating on the bulb, and is reducing the amount of light you put out. Sure they look cool, but the 12000k bulbs are down to about the same amount of light output as stock halogen. the rainbow effect you see on cars equipped with hid's comes from the projector optics, not the bulbs (ALL OEMS USE 4300k BULBS).
 

BowTy

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Old topic, new idea, up to anyone looking if you are interested. Had a white/white Ty that I installed these on since I hated the old OEM fogs, not a good light beam, and the glass stone chipped too easy, and would break. Did a lot of looking back in 1995 and found PIAA had the 950 projector lens fogs. They came with a clear lens so you can run whatever bulb color you wanted, or an Ion Crystal coating (like their amber fog light bulbs) lens to turn your bulb into an amber fog light (I ordered both lenses to test). They run an H3 style bulb. Construction is very good quality, better than KC and others that are good, but these are the best I have seen, glad someone still makes no-China wears!

They fit the stock location, the width is just small enough to allow a slight gap on both sides and allow cooling for those that want to run higher wattage or HIDs. The height is a little tight, it will fit and not be ghetto and the bumper will flex to allow them in. They are large on the back, but even recessed like mine are they do not run into anything.

The performance; my intention was for fog lights, and I run the PIAA Ion Crystal bulbs, and all I can say is DAMN! Unless you have seen what these amber fogs (not yellow) look like, you will be very impressed, and I don't impress easy (nor do I have to) so when I say the parts work very well, it should do the same for you!

Can it be run HID? I won't give that guarantee, but with the amount of metal and quality parts inside the lamp I see no reason for it to have any heat issues. And yes, HID in a OEM fog would blind all the oncoming drivers, whether you give a shit or not, it's wasting light and causing people to hit the high beams at you all the time. The projectors will allow a bright ass bulb or HID to have all the light focused on the road, where it belongs and where it does the best for the driver! I run an 85 watt H3 in there and you have to almost lay on the road to get the light into your eyes, so no concerns about wasted light blinding the oncoming drivers.

PIAA no longer carries these, but I have seen plenty of on-line aftermarket sellers still have a good inventory of these.

Now, see if listing a pic works with Face Book, if not need to have someone host up the picture for me (sorry to be a pain and ask). These pics are on my Green/Gray Ty since the white one got stolen, and yes the truck is dusty, and that is masking tape at the bottom to protect the paint where it is stored (next to my recycle bin).

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?i...994#!/photo.php?pid=186821&id=100000459927328
 
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BowTy

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Look here, this is my ty.

I have been doing hid on the side, you need the 3hc bulb which is the direct replace ment for the stock bulb.

I am sure I can do $200 shipped for a complete kit (bulb abd ballast), any color temp you like.

Ok, but, in a stock fog how is it to look at oncoming at night? Even this day shot with a camera phone has me squinting :lol:
 

denny

Active member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Ok, but, in a stock fog how is it to look at oncoming at night? Even this day shot with a camera phone has me squinting :lol:

Good question, the stock lamp have a sheild over the bulb and also you can adjust the beam. I haven't drove the ty in months, I will check tonight.

That pic was taken low close to the ground.
 

BowTy

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Good question, the stock lamp have a sheild over the bulb and also you can adjust the beam. I haven't drove the ty in months, I will check tonight.

That pic was taken low close to the ground.

Great info. A lot of times though its the optics such as the reflector and lens that dictate how a beam is dispearsed (outside of that sheild), no matter the adjustability. That again is why HID in the OEMs are 95% projector. I only know of the Acura line having non-projector headlights and HIDs (and the most wonderful crystal blue bright light I have seen to date).

Can it work? I am all for it working and not into bashing you that it won't :tup: so please do offer up the info, I am not affraid to learn, or adjust my understanding of things!

Jeff M
 
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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Ok for those looking for the info on hid for syty trucks, here it is. Our trucks have a sealed beam headlight. In order to install and hid headlight system you need to purchase a set of lenses that go in the stock location, but accept h4 capsule bulbs. You may then buy an hid kit for an h4 sized bulb. I reccomend an h4 bi-xenon kit. They cost a bit more but offer both high and low beam. Another reccomendation is to use a relay and make a harness to power your ballasts directly from your battery so you dont put excess strain on your headlight switch and burn it out.

Now for tje foglights. We have h3 foggies. However, when converting to hid, h3 bulbs for whatever reason are way longer than they should be. To correct this, there are some hid kits that come in a h3c size, the c meaning compact. These have a horizontal arc and are the same size as the stock bulbs. They are hard to find for a good price. I have yet to find 3000k yellow h3c hids so i havent purchased a set yet, but i assure you they will fit.
 

BowTy

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Its not blinding standing 10 ft infront.

Here is an old pic, the one side has an h3 (longer than stock) but with the shield removed and the other side has an h3c with the shield in place (sp check/jm).

I fussed with your spelling as it was hard to understand :lol: and maybe for others. I dug out the 2 OEM fog sets I have to see this shield you were talking about, really covers a lot of the bulb, forcing most of what comes off the back and sides to be the only light available, that gets picked up by the reflector and sent to be dispersed by the lens.

Your pic shows without the shield it being a great off road bulb :rotf: but the one on the right appears in daylight to show really well.

Ever see those many pics shown by companies and on eBay where they shoot the beam on a garage door? Back about 20 feet, then back about 50 feet, that might really show what the lights will do at night, when you are running lights. Nice color btw, appear to be a nice white slight blue 5k or 6k.
 

BowTy

New member
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Ok for those looking for the info on hid for syty trucks, here it is. Our trucks have a sealed beam headlight. In order to install and hid headlight system you need to purchase a set of lenses that go in the stock location, but accept h4 capsule bulbs. You may then buy an hid kit for an h4 sized bulb. I reccomend an h4 bi-xenon kit. They cost a bit more but offer both high and low beam. Another reccomendation is to use a relay and make a harness to power your ballasts directly from your battery so you dont put excess strain on your headlight switch and burn it out.

Now for tje foglights. We have h3 foggies. However, when converting to hid, h3 bulbs for whatever reason are way longer than they should be. To correct this, there are some hid kits that come in a h3c size, the c meaning compact. These have a horizontal arc and are the same size as the stock bulbs. They are hard to find for a good price. I have yet to find 3000k yellow h3c hids so i havent purchased a set yet, but i assure you they will fit.

Great info, thanks gaugeprower (hard to write down these long user names).

I have the same Hella conversion to allow H4 bulbs, wonderful beam control, tested in the darkness and squatting down looking at the front at different distances and different angles off to the side and straight on, did not see it being any issue for an oncoming driver at all (illegal or not, check to see if it does do something that would be illegal i.e. blind the oncoming, duh, if not then no worries for me), as well into the rear view mirror of someone. Running 55/65 PIAA that state that 85/100 claim, though still running after a few years not burned out, guess using smaller/OEM wires with a built-in voltage drop keeps the bulb filament from burning too hot :rotf: and burning out like most find :(. Just kidding, do have the larger wiring upgrade for these.

Did find in another car, just in case anyone here has it in their truck someday, or other car, a problem with both bulbs not firing off when hitting the headlight switch, either one or the other would strike and light, but not both. Even with engine running and a full 13.8-14.2 volts and larger wires running a few feet to the battery. Yep, no reason for it other than the off-brand ballasts :lol:. So grabbed a 100k microfarad cap and stiffened up the power in the feed line, no problems in 4 years now.

Have the newer bi-xenon H4 50 watt HIDs to test later this summer, see how that works out, really asking the Hella to save me!

So as for fogs, HID H3 conversion bulbs are too long, got it, and this H3C compact is the answer, interesting, going to have to venture out and look into this.

Yea if you have seen what a fog light colored bulb can do in hazy weather or foggy weather, you find its really handy, and works more than you would expect. I had Ion Crystal in my Hella headlights and PIAA 950 fogs (yea, all amber yellow lights, and passing cops never got me in trouble, go figure). Was blasting down the highway late at night in the fog, came up on a very slow moving car ahead, backed off so as to not blast by him, and as I crept past the car I could see their headlights reaching about only 20 feet out, I looked over at my view and it was as far as the bulbs do in a non-foggy night. That was convincing, even the woman was surprised. Fun test, wish I took pics, but we did not have digital camera or phones back then :oops:. Don’t run that setup anymore, that trucks gone.
 
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

If you hook up the hid kit directly (plug n play) to the headlight switch and stock wiring, only one light will fire up (usually the passenger side light) or they wont fire at all. You're also puttting excess strain on your headlight switch and you will kill it quickly. The fix for that is a harness made out of 14-16ga. wire. The power comes directly from the battery and the headlight switch turns the lights on and of through a relay. I have the yellow-top optima battery and i used 14ga. wire and never had a problem. Both fire up every time. Best of all, you can convert it all back to stock in about 30 minutes and requires no cutting of your factory harnesses.

H3C is the definite answer to the fog lights for HID. Its a clone of the oem bulbs. I just cant find them in yellow so for now Im just using yellow colored h3 halogen bulbs. I havent installed a bi-xenon hi/low kit yet, but I'm going to soon and I reccomend it. In order to not blind oncoming traffic, my lights are aimed a little lower than stock. I have a single beam kit, so the high beams kill all the lights, and since the lights are aimed lower, its hard to see at night on back roads (like... woods, dirt roads lol) I know that with the bixenon (dual beam) kit the HID arc is shifted upward when the high beams are activated, thus fixing the problem. To see an example of my HID lights, look at this youtube video, at the end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emT4n8RcMtU I know they look blinding, but that's because I set my shutter speed to pick up the LED lights I was filming.

So in short... To put HID on a Sy or Ty (Syclones have foggies right?)

1) Get a conversion kit to convert Sealed beam lamps to H4 capsules. You can get some pretty nice ones on ebay believe it or not... try typing in "7x6 h4" Go with GLASS, not plastic.

2) Once you have them switched out, you're already getting improved lighting by using the h4 halogen bulbs, and they're easier to find vs buying sealed beam lamps. You can stop here, or move on to HID.

3) Find yourself an HID kit for H4 sized bulbs. I reccomend getting a Bi-Xenon (High/Low) kit. Make yourself a relay harness to power your HID's from the battery (ill link you guys up when I find the instructions) and make sure you zip tie all your connections out of the way of all moving parts.

4) For Foglights, order an HID kit for H3C (NOT JUST H3, the C is VERY IMPORTANT!) Make another harness, same as the other kit for the headlights.

5) Aim your lights!!! I seriously hate all of you out there who put your kit on and dont aim your lights down, and blind the shit out of me. Here's how I did it... A) Grab a phillips head screwdriver. B) Find a buddy with a similar heighted vehicle with oem lighting, and park at the same distance from a wall. C) Match your height to theirs, and then down just a little bit extra. D) Park your car, get out of it and take a litle walk out in front, stand as if you were in a car in the oncoming lane. If you have to squint, something's wrong. That's It! have fun.

Other personal Reccomendations. BUY A 35W KIT! That's what OEM HID's are, the real deal, the stuff that comes on your Acuras, Beamers, Mercedes, Etc. The 50-55W kit will just blind the hell out of everyone. And make everyone want to key your car and kill you. Why was the kit invented then? Because of idiots who didnt aim their lights right and couldnt see anything because of it.. or for those ricers who put the Hid's behind smoked black lenses (smart?) or foggy plastic lenses that are 100 years old.... or for Legitimate Pro Off Road Use...take your pick.

Stay within the range of 4500K (oem) and 8,000K (ice blue) Any higher, and you run risking a ticket. 10,000K is too deep a blue for law enforcement (at least in my area) to tolerate, and anything higher than that is pink or purple. (btw it looks kinda stupid to rice out your limited production sy or ty with color like that anyway right?) For Fog lights, same deal, but you can step down to 2,000K or similar for yellow and it should be ok. I only personally like yellow because It helps me see a litttle better in foggy conditions, and it looks good on my wht/wht truck, and compliments my headlights well. (im starting to rethink this though because all the little ricer hondas and acuras in my area are doing this, and I like to be different)

Another Tidbit, Look at your HID bulbs. I've seen two different kinds of single beam H4's. One is just a glass stick and kinda sucks, the other has a crescent shaped metal shield that covers the bottom half of the bulb. You want this one, since it reflects the light up to the top of the lens, which projects it down to the ground, and not up into your face.

If I think of anything else, i'll put it in here, the motherload of Sy/Ty HID information. Any other questions?
 
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