HID Fog lights, are these to small?

BowTy

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

If I think of anything else, i'll put it in here, the motherload of Sy/Ty HID information. Any other questions?

Careful, that's just asking for trouble ;), even though I am twice your age an then some, I won't take the invite to school you :lol:m just kidding! Really though, lots of good info dude, took some work to put all that up too, I will add some more later (wife's B-Day today) as I can see it just begs to make others ask more questions (and I got some too). I am of the mind that believes 2 heads are better than one :tup:, meaning I don't think I know it all, and even if I ever do, technology goes and changes it all :roll:!

Jeff M
 

denny

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

I have a good deal on the fog light kit, I haven't done the head lights .


H3c bulb and standard ballast - $155 shipped in the US
H3c bulb and slim ballast - $185 shipped.

These are german technology digital ballast, 1 year warranty from me.
I have a mininum order requirement from my supplier, so I can place an order in 2 weeks.



The H4 HID kit with standard ballast I can sell for $99 shipped, $125 with slim ballast, add $15 for a plug-n-play relay +harness
You can probably get the sealbeam to h4 from ebay or somewhere for $40-$50.
 
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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

I've never tried one of the relay harnesses premade. Always made 'em myself lol I felt it was easier to cut the wires to the length I needed, but for those who arent too saavy with electrical, thats a good idea.

There are also some out there with two relays, so if one malfunctions, you still have one headlight instead of none. This would have comee in handyy with one of my flukes. You see my batttery tie down screw is stripped so I cant tighten the battery down, therefore it moves back and forth. It pinched my power wire for the HID and cut it in two.....at night time....had to limp home with foggies, wasnt too long of a distance thank god. The 2nd time around I zip tied everything out of the way of all moving parts. Live and learn.

I'm gunna continue my search for yellow h3c hid bulbs... if anyone finds them, let me know. Their ballasts await. lol
 
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BowTy

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Ok, very interesting info but first, I thought this was a Tech Section, not a For Sale Section.

The $20,000 question, if we run 55 watt incandescent bulbs with no problem, but when we swap to a lower wattage 35 watt HID bulb, how come the wiring and headlight switch can’t handle it? The ballast does not need that much power to provide 35 watts to the bulb (relatively speaking) and I have seen a total of only 42 watts for both, but that’s less than 55 watts. I know the answer, was just wondering if gaugeprower knew, and to spark the same thought in others?

The good ones you state to only use, like the OEM units in higher end cars, are not offered with a bulb that works in anything other than an HID lamp, as in D1S, D2R, D3S D3R, D4S D4R etc. We can use the better ballasts, but will never (correct me if I missed these of late) get the good OEM type bulbs from Osram/Sylvania, Hella, Philips etc in a conversion bulb setup for a 9006 or H4 or whatever.

Other aftermarket ballasts, made by all kinds of companies, many by the same with a different label. So, it goes both ways, bad and good ones from Japan, China, Korea, Germany etc, who is to say for sure what you buy will work and for how long, also not fry your wiring or the front end of your car, won’t cause interference with your electrical system (the good ones have filters to limit the normal 400 Hz from getting back into the car’s electrical system). Yes McCulloch and some others are top quality, but not $90 that so many people can’t help but jump on, or can only afford.

Being schooled myself by a young buddy of mine who got active (I was done, bought what I needed at the time) recently tells me the blue is not in the OEM bulbs, but the coating on the bulb and/or the lens doing this (don’t quote me on that exactly, but the bulbs are suppose to still all be 4,100 or thereabouts), and is from the filter there that takes out the harmful UV rays. That to me is why OEM bulbs no matter their color coming out, are always crystal clear with that color, whereas aftermarket blue-ish and purple-ish bulbs all seem a bit fuzzy/blurring in their color, sucks.

The HID Bi-Xenon’s I have function differently than the ones you explain. Mine have a small solenoid that snaps open the blinder on the shield releasing light for the high beam to happen from the same bulb (meaning not a dual bulb, or an HID with a piggybacked incandescent for the high beam).

Higher color Kelvin bulbs might look color, and OH YEA they do, but their brightness or lumens, as they use to rate bulb’s light output is less and less (one of the reasons 50 watt HIDs came out). And their color rendering index/CRI falls off more and more, meaning the quality of the light for what it is needed for; to light the way ahead of you so you can see clearly/see well drops off with lower CRI numbers. Higher CRI numbers will help in keeping what you see as what it is, instead of bleaching it out and at times, making it hard to look at (bluer lights are harder to look at than yellowish incandescent type of the same lumens). There is enough validity to this that there are experts that insist that 6k and up bulbs are a bad idea for lighting, but like everything on this forum; inform the people, but if they still want to go outside of the recommendations, let them, it’s their life to live, their money to spend how they want, and their ticket to get, we tried to help them :D.

And aside from the info above for others to read about, your mission to find yellow or the better amber yellow H3C bulbs might be addressed by looking at a lamp that has the yellow or amber yellow lens, like the PIAA 950s in my picture above, or did you miss my one first posting :rotf: ?

Jeff M
 
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denny

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

You seem to know everything, why are you asking then?







Ok, very interesting info but first, I thought this was a Tech Section, not a For Sale Section.

The $20,000 question, if we run 55 watt incandescent bulbs with no problem, but when we swap to a lower wattage 35 watt HID bulb, how come the wiring and headlight switch can’t handle it? The ballast does not need that much power to provide 35 watts to the bulb (relatively speaking) and I have seen a total of only 42 watts for both, but that’s less than 55 watts. I know the answer, was just wondering if gaugeprower knew, and to spark the same thought in others?

The good ones you state to only use, like the OEM units in higher end cars, are not offered with a bulb that works in anything other than an HID lamp, as in D1S, D2R, D3S D3R, D4S D4R etc. We can use the better ballasts, but will never (correct me if I missed these of late) get the good OEM type bulbs from Osram/Sylvania, Hella, Philips etc in a conversion bulb setup for a 9006 or H4 or whatever.

Other aftermarket ballasts, made by all kinds of companies, many by the same with a different label. So, it goes both ways, bad and good ones from Japan, China, Korea, Germany etc, who is to say for sure what you buy will work and for how long, also not fry your wiring or the front end of your car, won’t cause interference with your electrical system (the good ones have filters to limit the normal 400 Hz from getting back into the car’s electrical system). Yes McCulloch and some others are top quality, but not $90 that so many people can’t help but jump on, or can only afford.

Being schooled myself by a young buddy of mine who got active (I was done, bought what I needed at the time) recently tells me the blue is not in the OEM bulbs, but the coating on the bulb and/or the lens doing this (don’t quote me on that exactly, but the bulbs are suppose to still all be 4,100 or thereabouts), and is from the filter there that takes out the harmful UV rays. That to me is why OEM bulbs no matter their color coming out, are always crystal clear with that color, whereas aftermarket blue-ish and purple-ish bulbs all seem a bit fuzzy/blurring in their color, sucks.

The HID Bi-Xenon’s I have function differently than the ones you explain. Mine have a small solenoid that snaps open the blinder on the shield releasing light for the high beam to happen from the same bulb (meaning not a dual bulb, or an HID with a piggybacked incandescent for the high beam).

Higher color Kelvin bulbs might look color, and OH YEA they do, but their brightness or lumens, as they use to rate bulb’s light output is less and less (one of the reasons 50 watt HIDs came out). And their color rendering index/CRI falls off more and more, meaning the quality of the light for what it is needed for; to light the way ahead of you so you can see clearly/see well drops off with lower CRI numbers. Higher CRI numbers will help in keeping what you see as what it is, instead of bleaching it out and at times, making it hard to look at (bluer lights are harder to look at than yellowish incandescent type of the same lumens). There is enough validity to this that there are experts that insist that 6k and up bulbs are a bad idea for lighting, but like everything on this forum; inform the people, but if they still want to go outside of the recommendations, let them, it’s their life to live, their money to spend how they want, and their ticket to get, we tried to help them :D.

And aside from the info above for others to read about, your mission to find yellow or the better amber yellow H3C bulbs might be addressed by looking at a lamp that has the yellow or amber yellow lens, like the PIAA 950s in my picture above, or did you miss my one first posting :rotf: ?

Jeff M
 

BowTy

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

You seem to know everything, why are you asking then?

Ummmm, does not seem like everything to me :dunno:, I think its cause I been around longer and have collected more data (being in my 50s) that I got a lot to offer. gagueprower learned me those H3C I never heard of :cool:, my local bud told me the wonderful blue and violet of the Mercs and BMW was not the bulbs meaning can't get that without using their lamps :( (still wonder more about that one but for now know he had a good source for the info), and confirmed again other info I have either learned from forums like this/reading on manufacturer's web sites/found out the hard way, always good to confirm things, to me it adds more to the findings making them closer to facts (like the blue and violets colors being something like the bulb glass of lamp, still open to understand more of "how" that is, maybe so I can get around it, or learn why I can't).

If I sounded that way I am sorry, being on the net since 1995 and into some facets of lighting from other areas of my past since 1981 or thereabouts gives me some more insight into lighting. So I got a lot I have gathered up and can brain dump, so that might be why it comes off like that? I just felt it could help others in their quest for more data to be better "informed" buyers by unloading all I got and add it to the rest here.

Asking that question was since it was an interesting question for me once; why need wiring upgrades for 35 watt HIDs?. I had to ask that question and liked finding the answer, thought others here would also go: "wait, why? there has got to be a reason, oh, yea that makes sense, that high a starting jolt, cool" or at least that was the fun I had when finding out the answer :tup: HID bulbs need a 20,000 volt jolt to fire off the gas in the bulb, and that drains way more than the 55 watt incandenscents use, hence the reason for wiring upgrades and not using the headlight switch as the switched power source. After that the HID bulbs runs off of 85 volts, I thought these were cool details to find out about on automotive HIDs, though from my past I knew high pressure sodiums/metal halide/mercury vapor/flourescent lights had the same need for a jolt to start then taper down on the juice draw but don't remember if I ever knew the levels of jolts needed on those.

So, sorry to sound like a bugging know it all :oops:

Jeff M
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

The HID's i've been using for years now without blinding anybody and have never been giving a problem by the local law enforcement have been the bi xeon ones that I tried to offer to the community years ago the the difference from them and all the other junk kits out there were simply these came with shields and also quality autopal hello euro spec glass h4 housings. No cheap ebay plastic shit... the housings coupled with the shields made all the difference in the world and I posted pictures of the cutoff quality which was the best i've seen posted on this forum to date. In fact I haven't seen anybody post any cut off quality on any of the kits that have been pushed through here in the last few years were as when I offered people jammed it down my throat that no matter what I did the cut off would blind people and cause everyone to have cancer in the tri-state area if I installed them into a syty lol.

anyway my reason for this post is simply to say use what you want but make sure you don't cheap out on the housing because that makes all the difference in the end. Sure you can use the junk housings and aim your lights down to the ground and I guess you'd still be considered cool by the local import guys but you won't be increasing your visibility much
 

BowTy

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Good testing info Ryan, thanks. I have not even done any HID testing in my truck (from me: the guy that knows everything :dizzy: ).

I run the H4 conversion Hellas too, since 1995, but I think the first ones were the euros, and the ones I have now are DOT, cant remember. Like them but like I said, still only old school incandescents for now.

That is the testing I like to do, back up from the garage door (or any big wall at night) and see how the beams lays, back up little bit more and more to see how it looks, then go act like I am an oncoming car to see if they piss me off :rant:. And I am a stickler for adjusting the beams, always seem off from the factory, but not that hard to test with the above ideas and adjust accordingly :tup:. Still love getting a chuckle out of seeing someone with one headlight aimed at the top of the trees :screwy:

Jeff M
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords

Syclone Rob

Its all ABOOT the SYTY eh
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Now for tje foglights. We have h3 foggies. However, when converting to hid, h3 bulbs for whatever reason are way longer than they should be. To correct this, there are some hid kits that come in a h3c size, the c meaning compact. These have a horizontal arc and are the same size as the stock bulbs. They are hard to find for a good price. I have yet to find 3000k yellow h3c hids so i havent purchased a set yet, but i assure you they will fit.

Bringing this back to the top: I am learning that the 'c' in H3C does not mean compact. Its just the base is different then a H3 bulb. I got a H3C HID and the base is different and HID bulb itself is the same long one as an H3 HID kit. I did some searching on the internet and all I am finding the same thing as mine when it comes to H3C.

Now if someone here has a true HID H3 that fits the stock fog housing WITHOUT modifying or touching the shield, can you please post some pictures for me?

Here is a picture I found online of a H3C HID
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Here is another picture from a ebay auction for H3C bulbs, and this looks exactly like the ones I have.

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Syclone Rob

Its all ABOOT the SYTY eh
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Try this site. The H3C is actually a smaller bulb it self which the housing shouldn't have to be modified to use this.

http://gothidxenon.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=94

Bringing up a picture they have showing the H3C bulb and really to me it still looks like a bulb with a filament in it.... But the picture is not clear enough.. I will email them and ask for a nice close picture of the h3c HID bulb.

Thanks for the link!!:tup:
 

denny

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Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Bringing up a picture they have showing the H3C bulb and really to me it still looks like a bulb with a filament in it.... But the picture is not clear enough.. I will email them and ask for a nice close picture of the h3c HID bulb.

Thanks for the link!!:tup:

Thats my brother site, I have an H3C bulb here. What do you need to see?
 

Syclone Rob

Its all ABOOT the SYTY eh
Re: HID Fog lights, are these to small?

Thats my brother site, I have an H3C bulb here. What do you need to see?

Can you take a picture of the H3C HID bulb itself.... I don't care for the rest of the HID system as I know what it consists of... Reason I ask for this because all the pictures I can find on the net of this peticular bulb 'seems' to have a filament in it.... If all is well, I will order a kit from your brother as long as he is willing to ship to Canada through USPS for a reasonable cost, unless the person I bought the current H3C kit I have is able to exchange it to the same style that the site shows. But I have a feeling they do not carry the same bulb as we need for our fogs.
Thanks for your help :tup:
 
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