Learned a lot of info today.... **update**

Syclone#1992

SyTy.net Moderator
Some of you might have read that I am in the Autorama at Cobo Hall in Detriot. I have ran across people that have Syclone parts, that have built the Typhoons and info on Jay Leno's Syclone

Where do I start?

Lets start with the GM executive that is the previous owner of Leno's Syclone. This gentlemen's GM division recieved a Syclone in '91. They were doing a project out south and drove the Syclone out there. Somehow they ran into Leno and he offered to buy it straight up. At the time the truck was sold, the executive and others have done some mods to it. It was sold with no mods to the motor. They had added a sway bar, 3 piece toneau{sp?} cover, 17-18 inch rims, took off the decals, put on a shaved tailgate without a handle. I was told the Syclone was sold with practically no miles.
I have the executives email. He said he has the ability to get a hold of Leno too. More updates to come......

I also met another man who installed the motors in the Typhoons at the Pontiac plant in Michigan. I never knew the motors were installed at the plant. I always thought they were installed at PAS. He said they had only 2 mins. to get the motor in the truck.

I also met another man who owns the only extended cab Sonoma GT features on sportmachines.com. He said it was also owned by a GM exec. that used it as a daily driver for a while.

I might possibly have the ability to get a full set of cladding if the price is right.



I will have pics up soon....stay tuned for more updates because there is 2 more full days of the show left. Just thought I would share some info.
 

Syclone#1992

SyTy.net Moderator
You guys will never guess who I ran into today down at the AutoRama! :lol:

I ran into the prototype engineer of these trucks. His name is John Koss. He worked under Chuck Mountain and Pocobelo who owned PAS formerly Triad Services. This prototype program was only allowed 5 million dollars to kick off and get going. Mr Koss did all the fabricating for the Syclone exhaust manifolds and turbo fitting. He currently owns Syclone #22 and Syclone #9 which has only 45 miles, he said it will probably be auctioned off eventually. Mr. Koss has all the prototype parts still and was the one that designed the upper and lower intakes. He had many titles and basically built the Syclone. He said he can give me all the prototype vins. The Syclones were so powerful that they were breaking the chains on the AWD dynos at PAS. He said that they came with 285 HP to be exact and could run consistant 0-60's in 4.3 secs not 4.6.

The four door typhoons.... The purple one was Pocobelos Typhoon. Pocobelo went on vacation and the truck was filthy because he lived on a horse farm. While he was gone Koss got the truck painted for him, and then it was eventually turned to purple and has a ton of miles. The four door bravada was sold to Chuck Muer. Then there was another four door prototype produced, that was white.

Saudi Syclones....A saudi dealer wanted some syclones and typhoons I believe 95 Syclones and 35 Typhoons in all black. They were shipped over with protective coating so they would not get hurt. The GM Saudi Dealer left them outside with this coating which baked it on the paint. The Saudi Dealer could not sell them so they were sent back. Koss recieved the delivery and said that they were a complete mess. He power washed them and EVERYTHING was coated in sand. The windows didn't work and the were all full of sand and everyone had dead batteries. The local dealer wanted them and offered to paint them. It took them 2 days to strip the coating off of them.

PAS did not go under because of financial problems or anything of that nature. A project did not work out and GM dropped them. It had nothing to do with money. All of the stuff and extra parts out of PAS were cleaned out by other companys.

Mr. Koss is a very nice individual who put a lot of time into these trucks. With out him we would have never had the Syclone or Typhoon. The reason the Syclone did not make it on the market was because of the war, fuel prices and the economy. Many Syclones were sold at discount prices. Some went for as low as 18-20 thousand new. The Lousiana plant that made them had 400 sitting in the parking lot that needed to be sold.

It was amazing to meet the person that acually designed my truck :lol: :eek: :eek: :lol:
 

kwick6

Donating Member
Glad to hear it.

So where does that Koss live, here in MI?

Did any of them have any interest meeting up with fellow owners in the area? I'd like to see their collection of stuff, did they say they had anything like pics of the development of the syty's?

Is your truck the only syty down there in the show?

later,
Scott
 
J

jtz

Guest
Good info, Tim!
I have always thought that there must be a lot of "undiscovered" info on these trucks. Think about it, they were assembleing a limited run of S-trucks that were faster than Corvettes of the era...there must be pictures,info, etc.

Jay
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
I wonder why you would design a custom upper intake manifold with smaller ports than the lower intake manifold you also custom designed , presumably at the same time?
 

Syclone#1992

SyTy.net Moderator
kwick6 said:
Did any of them have any interest meeting up with fellow owners in the area? I'd like to see their collection of stuff, did they say they had anything like pics of the development of the syty's?

Scott


I am sure Koss would come down if we had a Syclone meet. He has pics and everything ect. He said he has numerous parts from the trucks, but not too many. Koss wants to know about the websites and some of the other stuff about these trucks. He is really really interested. Next Michigan meet, I will invite him and I am sure he will come. :lol:
 

Syclone#1992

SyTy.net Moderator
Some more stuff I am remembering.....

The four door Typhoons, that were prototypes were offered to Cadillac as an SUV. Cadillac turned them down, but look what Cadillac is building now, SUV's, SUV's! :eek:

The prototype Syclone that hit a wall on 696 was not totaled. It acually showed up at the 1991 Auto Show. The had to worked 14 hour shifts to get it done. One of the employees was hot roding it in the snow on the way into work and hit a rut the wrong way and took it into a spin. The Syclone that was in the Autoshow in 1991 was wrecked.
 

just a 6

R.I.P MyClone
2 minutes isen't that bad, remember that there is just a frame they drop the engine and trans in to, everything is attached to the engine assembly before they install it. The cab is lowered on top of the frame after engine is installed.

It's like when i worked for Ford for a while, the minivan Windstar. If you want to remove the engine from a Windstar you don't have the room to pull it true the hood. So you have to drop it down below. You drop the engine with transaxle and subframe. It toke me about 35 minutes to have the whole subframe with eng and trans sitting on 4 jackstand and the body up in the air. That's including recover A/C freon and disconnecting all the wireharness and drain coolant, loosen strut towers and steering column.

Or take a Neon head gasket (SOHC), warranty pay me 4hr to do the work, if i hustle i can have it done in 1hr and 15min, but that is as fast i ever done it. Normaly it takes me about 2.5hr to do a Neon headgasket.

SeattleSy#1255 said:
Cool stuff!

install the motor in 2 min. :eek:
 

Pittman

New member
As far as prices go thats no joke. I went and test drove a sy back in 91 the dealer had 3 on the lot $18K would have got me into any one of them. But, compared to what I was driving at the time the sy was a realy dog. I was talking to some guys at Vista RIdge GMC that were on staff back in 91 they said the truck was a really hard sale. It wasnt until 92 that they sold the sy's they had.
 

ParTyBoy

New member
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Will_in_China

Truckless Wonder
Can we get Mr. Koss to do an interview on camera and answer some of those questions officially?

Would be great for the archives, and answer alot of FAQ's that come accross the list and board.

-Will
 

TurboTony

Active member
Any chance that this guy would want to attend the nats. I for one would love to hear some syty history first hand.

Maybe the ISTA could buy the guy a hotel room. I'm sure he'd love to see a group of people that worship syty's as much as we do, what we are doing with them, etc.

Just a thought

Tony
 
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