LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

protosy

New member
After a few years away from the Sy/Ty scene, I finally got around to putting together my LS1 coil setup.

Parts that I am using
1/ eDist and universal harness pn: 30-5001 ~$300.00
2/ Crane Optical Trigger pn 700-0020 ~$30.00
3/ MSD Adapter harness pn 8876 ~30
4/ 6 LS1 coils with factory brackets ~$150.00
5/ 4.7k ohm resister ~$2.00

I am into to for about $510 bucks incl the shipping on the parts. (I made up coil brackets that allowed the use of std LS1 wires, saving some bucks).

The optical trigger is mounted into the stock distributor cap where the terminal for cyl 1 was and the "shutter" is the existing rotor. When the rotor passes between the trigger it causes the voltage to go high on the white wire. I am using a stock type distributor for the crank signal to the ECU which in turn provides the est line to the edist.

The MSD adapter harness allows me to plug into the stock lines without cutting them to get the tac signal and est. The only wire that is left hanging with no connector on it is the LOW REF line (D2 on edist); this wire i simply put a ring terminal on and put it on the bolt that holds the ICM to the distributor.

I have the edist configured as follows:
dip switches: 1,3,5,6,8 off; 2, 4, 7 on

Tonight, I finally started the truck up with it; and it WORKS! Runs perfectly.

EDIT:
I left off the requirement of the 4.7k ohm resistor. This goes between switched 12 and the EST line. I originally had the truck setup with dip 7 off and no resistor. This caused the timing to advance when the computer was commanding less advance. Setting dip 7 on and adding the resistor set everything exactly how it should be.

EDIT:
I did a quick visio of the wiring diagram, and uploaded the JPEG of it here: click here for diagram

Having done this now, I am 100% confident that this could be turned into a repeatable project/kit leaving little to no fabrication; and be affordable.

Cam sync mockup:
HPIM0067.jpg


drivers side coils:
HPIM0068.jpg


cap with no wires
HPIM0069.jpg


Comments welcome. (on the idea, not the crappy photography :) )
 
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sean

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protosy said:
After a few years away from the Sy/Ty scene, I finally got around to putting together my LS1 coil setup.

Parts that I am using
1/ eDist and universal harness ~$300.00
2/ Crane Optical Trigger pn 700-0020 ~$30.00
3/ 6 LS1 coils, obviously ~$150.00
4/ Custom wires ~$60.00
5/ MSD Adapter harness ~40

I am into to for about 600 bucks incl the shipping on the parts.

The optical trigger is mounted into the stock distributor cap where the terminal for cyl 1 was and the "shutter" is the existing rotor. When the rotor passes between the trigger it causes the voltage to go high on the white wire (in other words, rising edge configuration on the edist). I am using a stock type distributor for the crank signal to the ECU which in turn provides the est line to the edist.

The MSD adapter harness allows me to plug into the stock lines without cutting them to get the tac signal and est. The only wire that needed to be spliced into was the wire on the icm (low ref).

I mocked it all up in the truck and tested that the edist was seeing both crank and cam sync and it looks good so far. All that is really left is to wrap up the wiring nice and neat and fab a couple of mounts.

Below are a couple of crappy/blurry pics ot the cam sync mockup
HPIM0066.jpg


HPIM0067.jpg


Comments welcome. (on the idea, not the crappy photography :) )
if you plan on making more and selling it as a plug and play count me in
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: LS1 Coil Setup

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With this plan, there's no need for a crank trigger then right?
 

protosy

New member
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canadian said:
With this plan, there's no need for a crank trigger then right?

No need for an additional trigger. The stock dist still provides the crank signal to the ecu which in turn generates the est signal for the edist module.
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: LS1 Coil Setup

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Your method seems a lot easier. No need for the crank trigger/machined balancer to tell the eDist where #1 is. Did you have to use a stock year dissy, or a newer style?
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
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could you not use the later 4.3 dist setup or would that not work? just thinking.
 

protosy

New member
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canadian said:
Your method seems a lot easier. No need for the crank trigger/machined balancer to tell the eDist where #1 is. Did you have to use a stock year dissy, or a newer style?

Yip, just a plain jane stock style dist.
 

protosy

New member
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jwaller said:
could you not use the later 4.3 dist setup or would that not work? just thinking.

No idea, I have never personally seen one. If it provides a 1 per 720 degrees of crank rotation that does not cross the est signal, I dont see why it wouldnt. EDIT: did a little research, and it appears the new dist does indeed provide a 1 per 720 signal. However, unlink our distributor it does not appear to provide the crank pulse, which on those trucks appears to come from the crank position sensor on the timing chain cover. This is just what my quick search has come up with.

I was just looking for something that was stupid simple "Plug and Play". This solution eliminates the needs for a new dist, cam plug, or flying magnet wheel.
 
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Re: LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

Got any pics of under the hood with everything mounted?

Also you never answered my original question about how much better this system would be over the stock setup, or an upgraded stock setup, say MSD Dist, Coil and such.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

This will elimate the need for narrow gaps and constant changing of plugs/wires. Even a full MSD Igniton Box/Coil with good cap, rotor, splugs & wires require regular maintenance.

I will leave this thread open for a while longer but I will eventually vault this thread as I this is a cost effective way to run LS1 coils.
 

protosy

New member
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HotRodV6 said:
Got any pics of under the hood with everything mounted?

Also you never answered my original question about how much better this system would be over the stock setup, or an upgraded stock setup, say MSD Dist, Coil and such.

I will take a few pics tomorrow of the whole thing. Its really crappy here, and my camera, as you can see is not the greatest.

As for benefits....
1/ wider plug gap
2/ no issues with spark blow out
3/ no need to replace cap/rotor every 3-5k miles as some do
4/ plugs and wires should last longer
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

My Typhoon is sold less than a month ago and FINALLY someone comes up with an inexpensive easy way to go dist-less. EVERYONE who owns a SyTy should do this mod.
 

clone 94

New member
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subscribing.

how is this coming along? and besides not having to change caps/rotors and all that all the time, what makes this setup so much better than the stock HEI? and does running a wider gap have any effect on things such as fuel mileage, performance or plug life?
 

UR50SLO

V6+2=LSXCamaro
Re: LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

Proto Sy....

Great job!!!!!!
I talked to a tech rep from MSD that said they made a DIS setup for these trucks years ago but it was too expencive and discontinued it.

Could you send me a e-mail with the details of wireing and such? I'd like to do this with my wife's truck! I've got all MSD on it now coil,6AL box ect.
I know indivual coil per cyl is far superior to anything I can do with the existing system.

HotRodV6: on our trucks the one coil is supplying all the sparks for every cyl. It leaves little time for the single coil to build up much voltage between sparks. Once it does create the spark it has to travel through a coil wire... then to the rotor then jump a gap to the dist. cap then through another wire and finally ending up at the spark plug where it "hopefully" jumps the last gap and fires the fuel.

With the coil at each cyl. setup.... the coil gets the signal to fire and sends it through the wire to the plug and jumps the gap. There is ALOT of time for each coil to build spark energy before it gets called for again on the next power stroke. (dwell time)

That's a easy explination. Hope that helps.

My- E-mail UR50SLO@aol.com
Thanks for your efforts on the DIS setup! AWSOME!
 

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: LS1 Coil Setup - RUNNING!

Heck i have the full Mallory Crank trigger, MSD Cam Sync, eDist, LS1 Coils, New Harmonic Balancer sitting there.... I might just bag it and go to this set up. Looks a lot easier and no machining of the balancer or mounting of the crank trigger. It sounds like it is just plug and play. Only think you would have to do it mount the LS1 Coils......Hmmmmmmm.
 
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