Metal Fender Liner Alternatives?

[92boostedty]

Re: Metal Fender Liner Alternatives?

ok let me know through a pm i guess...cause my truck was in an accident and im putting in new inner fenders and then getting them powercoated...BUT this sounds a lot better :tup:

I'm actually flanging that fenderwell as I type this.. I plan to spray the tooling gelcoat and lay the first few layers of glass on the mold this weekend.. The mold will probably be complete in a few weeks..

In order to determine how much I need to make a part in the mold and see how much material(gelcoat, resin, cloth, mat) I use.. I'll let you know ASAP but it will prolly be at least a month before I get that far...


-Matt

 

[SY2932]

Re: Metal Fender Liner Alternatives?

Fender liners are a joke, toss em buddy

Joke or not I know of at least two members on here who have had incidents involving deep standing water on the road. Both had CAI's and one had the fender liners removed. And neither one of them found the results humorous by any means. If they see this thread, I hope that they give their

on the matter.

No doubt removing them from the truck frees up A LOT of room. However, it is not without risk. If my truck was a "trailer queen" I would be all for it. Being that mine is street driven, I like the idea of having *something* between the engine bay and everything the front tires throw up. If you can get away with it, more power to you...

Hey Matt, do you have an estimate of when you may have your prototype done? I have thought about converting mine over the aluminum or plastic. Thanks for the suitable existing plastic equivalent George

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[SYO237]

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eh, im a fenderless hero. granted, my truck is sitting in the garage broken half the time, but havent had a major prob yet with them out *crossed fingers*

no daily for me though... streetracing or FAST and local shows is when it gets driven.

I have been caught in light rain though. I run a 90* elbow with cone filter off the 52. I drown my K&N in oil for that reason alone for the just in case times I do get caught with my pants down.

 

[Grimgrak]

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I'd gladly replace all the tabs and clips but first you have to get them out and by the time you get them out your missing chunks of sheet metal which makes the clips going back in there loosey goosey anyways. Putting antisieze on the thread does nothing but attract more dirt into the threads which is what causes it to get jammed in the first place. I'm very intrested in metal alternatives by fibreglass doesn't have as much "flex" as plastic and is more prone to cracking. Is the reason why your using fibreglass because it's easier to work with? I mean if it came down to metal or fibreglass i'd prob go fibre on the weight savings alone.... but again i'd much prefer a modern day plastic liner. I dont recall any oems doing fibreglass liners..... but i stand to be corrected

 

[myclone]

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eh, im a fenderless hero. granted, my truck is sitting in the garage broken half the time, but havent had a major prob yet with them out *crossed fingers*

no daily for me though... streetracing or FAST and local shows is when it gets driven.

I have been caught in light rain though. I run a 90* elbow with cone filter off the 52. I drown my K&N in oil for that reason alone for the just in case times I do get caught with my pants down.

Same here other than my truck stays in the garage/broken 95% of the time.

Oh yeah, when are you fiberglass gurus gonna whip up some glass front and rear bumper cover supports so I can ditch the stock metal ones? Hint...hint... :tup:

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

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Same here other than my truck stays in the garage/broken 95% of the time.

Oh yeah, when are you fiberglass gurus gonna whip up some glass front and rear bumper cover supports so I can ditch the stock metal ones? Hint...hint... :tup:

I have a fiberglass support on my ty, it weighs nothing...

got it from a RI member.. a long time ago.. :tup:

 

[mattw]

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Oh yeah, when are you fiberglass gurus gonna whip up some glass front and rear bumper cover supports so I can ditch the stock metal ones? Hint...hint... :tup:

I'll be making the 1st half of the mold of a rear bumper support this weekend..

Its going to be a two piece mold which is why there is a flange right in the center.. I'll have to build the 1st half, remove the flange in the center, then build the 2nd half.. This will also probably take a month or so for me to finish.. Unfortunately this stuff smells bad enough that I can't work on it at home so I have to go up to my parents shop.. I usually only get there 1 day per weekend..

Also, Renz is supposed to be cadding the rear bumper bracket so that we can get it waterjet cut in aluminum.. I know he had this mostly done a while back but I'm not sure if he has had a chance to finish it up..


-Matt

 

[MikeRenz]

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Also, Renz is supposed to be cadding the rear bumper bracket so that we can get it waterjet cut in aluminum.. I know he had this mostly done a while back but I'm not sure if he has had a chance to finish it up..

oh yea. :doh:

 

[myclone]

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oh yea. :doh:

Damn Renz get on it...youre holding the rest of us up .

A rear support w/alum brackets I would be HIGHLY interested in. A front support would be really REALLY nice too :tup: .

 

[SY2932]

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YEAH we have all seen how good you Pennsyltuckians are at tearing stuff up. Now get to work and make something for a change . CHOP, CHOP

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[Grimgrak]

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So is anyone able to answer the question as to why plastic isn't better? Is it just because fibreglass likes to crack and there are alot more stereo guys out there who know how to lay fibreglass compared to plastic molds?

 

[mattw]

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So is anyone able to answer the question as to why plastic isn't better? Is it just because fibreglass likes to crack and there are alot more stereo guys out there who know how to lay fibreglass compared to plastic molds?

I'm sure plastic would be better.. I have no idea how to make plastic parts. I don't really have a need to either as I really don't need anything that fiberglass can't handle...

I'm pretty sure that PPI typhoon is making actual plastic cladding reproductions.. Maybe you could talk him into doing a set of inner fenderwells...


-Matt

 

[PPI Typhoon]

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I'm sure plastic would be better.. I have no idea how to make plastic parts. I don't really have a need to either as I really don't need anything that fiberglass can't handle...

I'm pretty sure that PPI typhoon is making actual plastic cladding reproductions.. Maybe you could talk him into doing a set of inner fenderwells...


-Matt

I have thought about the inner fenders....I've also thought about the non-AC heater boxes.....

There are plenty of materials that would be resistant to the heat...especially with certain fillers.

Something to consider though.....a vacuum infused fiberglass piece would have some excellent strength, and would probably outlast plastic pieces.

I have to say though......it would be a LONG time until I make a mold for that though. Not only because I'm working on the cladding molds, but that would be a HUGELY awkward mold.

Anything is possible though. I'd almost rather make the interior replications and more SyTy specific parts first before things like universal S10 parts, but the sky is the limit really....only a matter of time.

 

[Junior1]

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How about making them out of carbon-fiber...

 

[2kwik4u]

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Also, Renz is supposed to be cadding the rear bumper bracket so that we can get it waterjet cut in aluminum.. I know he had this mostly done a while back but I'm not sure if he has had a chance to finish it up..


-Matt

I can do 3D modeling as well, and would be more than happy to help on some of these projects if you guys need a hand in that area.

 

[Grimgrak]

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Somehow I just can't picture fibreglass doing a better job against rocks flying at it than plastic...

I'm sure plastic would be better.. I have no idea how to make plastic parts. I don't really have a need to either as I really don't need anything that fiberglass can't handle...

I'm pretty sure that PPI typhoon is making actual plastic cladding reproductions.. Maybe you could talk him into doing a set of inner fenderwells...


-Matt

 

[PPI Typhoon]

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Somehow I just can't picture fibreglass doing a better job against rocks flying at it than plastic...

Well, not to go into too much detail, but FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) aka fiberglass is made up of either polyester resin and fiberglass or epoxy and fiberglss. Both resins have a shore-D factor that is very high (in simple terms, it's how soft the material is, and anything that is D is considered hard........and the higher.......the harder). With my urethane, I can actually select a soft shore A factor (even softer than the D scale), this means it gives more, flexes more and could actually more resistant to a rock (for example), where with epoxy, and the high shore-D rating.........would chip and/or crack. You have a LOT of flexibility with urethanes, but fiberglass is meant to be rigid.

 

[PPI Typhoon]

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How about making them out of carbon-fiber...

That could be done, but not sure about who would want to pay for that. CF is pretty spendy.....and to have a nice piece, you'd want to have it vacuum infused.........which is even more expensive for the equipment. Then if you REALLY wanted to get fancy, you could do a closed mold type of vacuum infusion, leaving you with both sides perfectly finished...........which would be even more expensive.

I have all the equipment needed for vacuum infusion and closed molds, but chose to go the urethane molding route because no one else has. Some day, CF stuff will come about.

 

[Junior1]

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That could be done, but not sure about who would want to pay for that. CF is pretty spendy.....and to have a nice piece, you'd want to have it vacuum infused.........which is even more expensive for the equipment. Then if you REALLY wanted to get fancy, you could do a closed mold type of vacuum infusion, leaving you with both sides perfectly finished...........which would be even more expensive.

I have all the equipment needed for vacuum infusion and closed molds, but chose to go the urethane molding route because no one else has. Some day, CF stuff will come about

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little off topic, but I've been looking to have some CF parts made for the Ty such as a blade of death, or a scoop of some sort and some other things.
PM or Get in touch if you can help. I'd pay for a one off, but if it catches on we could sell em

 

[Syborg Twin Turbo]

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Same here other than my truck stays in the garage/broken 95% of the time.

Oh yeah, when are you fiberglass gurus gonna whip up some glass front and rear bumper cover supports so I can ditch the stock metal ones? Hint...hint... :tup:

uhm - Paul has been making them for years.