Misfire from idle and up

bizkit

bonofied SyTy junkie
Well I've been struggling with a misfire on my Ty for a couple weeks now and can't figure it out. It's not a dead miss and is erratic and is worse when the Ty is warm, and does not go away at higher rpm's though you don't notice any driveablility problems on the highway. There is NO hesitation off idle or stumble when accelerating/cruising. The only time I notice it from in the cab is at idle. When leaning down listening at the tail pipe I can hear a missfire from idle and up as high as you want to rev it in park. It's bad enough that it will die every now and then when idleing and you put it into gear, or when you are on the brake in drive at a redlight. Under load for example a boost launch, you don't notice anything is wrong.

New plugs, wires, cap, rotor, tried two different HEI modules, 3 different coils, and purged the injectors with Wynns VIC injector/top end cleaner. All the plugs I pulled out looked exactly the same, a nice brown color. What is really weird is that the misfire gets worse when I put on a MSD blaster coil. So does that mean the MSD puts out less energy than the stock coil and makes the miss worse, or does it put out more energy and arc out somewhere that much more to make the miss worse? On tunerpro the vaccuum is at 17 - 18 Hg at idle, and you can watch the O2 mv go rich whenever you hear it missfire. The plug wires are absolutely not arcing out onto anything, and are not rubbing/burning on anything. Although it sure acts like only one plug is causing the problem, it's not bad enough to make me think all plugs are erratically misfiring.

Im grabbing at straws now. Tomorrow night I will try swapping in the MAP sensor from my S-10, and try to track down which plug is misfiring using a timing light by looking for an erratic light signal.

Any other ideas on what to check next? I don't want to let this stop me from going to Canadian Nats, but I'm just not sure if I should go that far with a truck that's not 100%. The best thing would be to put it on an oscilloscope at a dealership to check all the plug wires/injectors at once and graph it all out, but there aren't any in town anymore.
What do you guys think?

I've also played with the fuel pressure, changing it from 30 to 60 psi and it made no difference. I've had it and it is right now set at 50 psi. I am running on the stock chip again to try and figure this out. Looks to me like it's an ignition problem, but everything this side of the distributer has been checked over and over.
 

Bill Z

Donating Member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

I’m just guessing here from your description of your problem and some of my recent experiences. You mentioned new wires but were the wires changed since you have had the problem or recently changed and now you noticed the problem? I am asking because I had to replace some nearly new MSD wires that looked brand new with no burn marks anywhere but they Ohmed out at over 2K ohm per foot. Maybe recheck all of your wires including the coil wire.

Also do a compression check. A partially burned exhaust valve will do what you are describing.

Hope this helps. Let us know what you find out.
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

bizkit said:
Well I've been struggling with a misfire on my Ty for a couple weeks now and can't figure it out. It's not a dead miss and is erratic and is worse when the Ty is warm, and does not go away at higher rpm's though you don't notice any driveablility problems on the highway. There is NO hesitation off idle or stumble when accelerating/cruising. The only time I notice it from in the cab is at idle. When leaning down listening at the tail pipe I can hear a missfire from idle and up as high as you want to rev it in park. It's bad enough that it will die every now and then when idleing and you put it into gear, or when you are on the brake in drive at a redlight. Under load for example a boost launch, you don't notice anything is wrong.

New plugs, wires, cap, rotor, tried two different HEI modules, 3 different coils, and purged the injectors with Wynns VIC injector/top end cleaner. All the plugs I pulled out looked exactly the same, a nice brown color. What is really weird is that the misfire gets worse when I put on a MSD blaster coil. So does that mean the MSD puts out less energy than the stock coil and makes the miss worse, or does it put out more energy and arc out somewhere that much more to make the miss worse? On tunerpro the vaccuum is at 17 - 18 Hg at idle, and you can watch the O2 mv go rich whenever you hear it missfire. The plug wires are absolutely not arcing out onto anything, and are not rubbing/burning on anything. Although it sure acts like only one plug is causing the problem, it's not bad enough to make me think all plugs are erratically misfiring.

Im grabbing at straws now. Tomorrow night I will try swapping in the MAP sensor from my S-10, and try to track down which plug is misfiring using a timing light by looking for an erratic light signal.

Any other ideas on what to check next? I don't want to let this stop me from going to Canadian Nats, but I'm just not sure if I should go that far with a truck that's not 100%. The best thing would be to put it on an oscilloscope at a dealership to check all the plug wires/injectors at once and graph it all out, but there aren't any in town anymore.
What do you guys think?

I've also played with the fuel pressure, changing it from 30 to 60 psi and it made no difference. I've had it and it is right now set at 50 psi. I am running on the stock chip again to try and figure this out. Looks to me like it's an ignition problem, but everything this side of the distributer has been checked over and over.

Any solutions? I got the SAME exact problem. Thanks in advance.
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

typhoon fever said:
im having the same problem haha

Im rippin' my hair out!! Im really starting to think my lower intake gasket went bad. All my plugs look uniform. Then again...bad injector?? Im looking into it on Thursday..
 

KDBL1

New member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

Tune ups are really key with these trucks. I try to use only the best cap rotor and plugs, terminals are brass in cap and rotor, ngk ur5 plugs. this set up cleared a miss that I had sense I've owned the truck.
 

KDBL1

New member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

Lots of info about tune ups in this forum, the heat from our turbo cause havoc to wires, wires can look great on the outside but are fried on the inside.
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

KDBL1 said:
Lots of info about tune ups in this forum, the heat from our turbo cause havoc to wires, wires can look great on the outside but are fried on the inside.

Done all that...
 

supersports10

New member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

im leaning twords the reluctor ring in the distributor being cracked, reason i say this because this has happened to many 4.3's many i have seen, and many i have heard of.

if you have a regular s-10 with a perfect running 4.3 ...switch out the distrubutor, then take the ty out for a drive,.....if it rund perfect, it was your distributor....

DO NOT SWITCH THE MAP SENSOR!!!

regular s-10 == 1 bar map sensor

sy/ty is a 2 bar map sensor, and if your truck is modified, it most likely has a 3 bar map sensor.

going to a 1 bar will only compound your problems!!!
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

supersports10 said:
im leaning twords the reluctor ring in the distributor being cracked, reason i say this because this has happened to many 4.3's many i have seen, and many i have heard of.

if you have a regular s-10 with a perfect running 4.3 ...switch out the distrubutor, then take the ty out for a drive,.....if it rund perfect, it was your distributor....

DO NOT SWITCH THE MAP SENSOR!!!

regular s-10 == 1 bar map sensor

sy/ty is a 2 bar map sensor, and if your truck is modified, it most likely has a 3 bar map sensor.

going to a 1 bar will only compound your problems!!!


Great advice... Hear ya bro. I thought it may be the distributor.....but my friend who works on cars with me swore up and down it is not the problem. We had a pretty good fight over this subject. I bought a new dist. and everything. He says no!...I say Yes!!! :rant: .. Well, to make a long story short, I took the dist.back. He says he wants to look at my Ty on Thursday while Im at work... Hmmmm.. I hope he treats my Ride with respect. I hate handing anyone my Ty keys, or any set of keys. Well, he runs a class act shop... And i have known him for over 20 years. Guess I'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope i dont have a burnt valve, or bad compression rings... I hate not knowing whats up..Its slowly killing me... Stress! :(
 

bizkit

bonofied SyTy junkie
Re: Misfire from idle and up

Part of my problem was my harmonic balancer slipped and my timing was off a bit, but that didn't totally solve it. It's parked right now and I'm putting on new heads/distributer in the next couple weeks (that's the plan anyway). I think it's either a bad lower intake gasket or the distributer causing the problem. It's totally driveable the way it is (2600 mile road trip no problems), but needs to be fixed.
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

bizkit said:
Part of my problem was my harmonic balancer slipped and my timing was off a bit, but that didn't totally solve it. It's parked right now and I'm putting on new heads/distributer in the next couple weeks (that's the plan anyway). I think it's either a bad lower intake gasket or the distributer causing the problem. It's totally driveable the way it is (2600 mile road trip no problems), but needs to be fixed.

My Ty is also very driveable. But, i hate driving it, knowing that it is not up to its full potential..When the tach flutters, it pisses me off at every stop light. Sometimes its very little..and other times it flutters between 600-850 rpms.. just a steady flutter..a definite misfire. Its still very fast, and it doesn't bog out or anything. But, i like my machinery perfect...and im not going to be happy until i figure this crap out. Been researching, replacing parts..still no go. I'll soon find an answer. A few times the tach was completely steady and running on six.. I was so damn happy!!..a few miles later...same ol shit. I still say its the distributor.. Thanks for the post Biz :tup:
 

supersports10

New member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

bizkit said:
Part of my problem was my harmonic balancer slipped and my timing was off a bit, but that didn't totally solve it.

that is the telltale sigin of a bad reluctor ring.... trouble setting the timing, looks like you balancer has slipped, and really the timing is jumping all over the place.
 

typhoon fever

ty comming soooon
Re: Misfire from idle and up

2fast4u said:
My Ty is also very driveable. But, i hate driving it, knowing that it is not up to its full potential..When the tach flutters, it pisses me off at every stop light. Sometimes its very little..and other times it flutters between 600-850 rpms.. just a steady flutter..a definite misfire. Its still very fast, and it doesn't bog out or anything. But, i like my machinery perfect...and im not going to be happy until i figure this crap out. Been researching, replacing parts..still no go. I'll soon find an answer. A few times the tach was completely steady and running on six.. I was so damn happy!!..a few miles later...same ol shit. I still say its the distributor.. Thanks for the post Biz :tup:


yep i have the same prob.
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

Well, after reading about so many of us running the ur6's i decided to make that change. Gapped em all at .032 and still not much of a change over the ur5's. But, i will say its a tiny bit better. On thursday the compression will be tested on all cylinders, and the injectors will be flow tested..yada yada yada.. I still think its the distributor, I think Supersports10 has the correct remedy...By the way Supersports, is the reluctor ring suppose to be rigid? I remember when i changed out the cap, the reluctor was kinda loose .. Stay tuned Folks :)
 

supersports10

New member
Re: Misfire from idle and up

2fast4u said:
Well, after reading about so many of us running the ur6's i decided to make that change. Gapped em all at .032 and still not much of a change over the ur5's. But, i will say its a tiny bit better. On thursday the compression will be tested on all cylinders, and the injectors will be flow tested..yada yada yada.. I still think its the distributor, I think Supersports10 has the correct remedy...By the way Supersports, is the reluctor ring suppose to be rigid? I remember when i changed out the cap, the reluctor was kinda loose .. Stay tuned Folks :)

i believe it is supposed to be solid.:roll:

also if it is really rusty, it will work for sh*t also.:2cents:
 

2fast4u

PUMPING THAT IRON!
Re: Misfire from idle and up

Well, i replaced distributor along with another brass cap and rotor..same ol' shit ...SIGH. I think i have a vacuum leak. Next procedure lower intake gaskets.. Im really getting sick of this crap.. :(
 
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