Modified Trucks That Need Emissions

[TYTILIDIE]

How do you guys pass? We haven't had emissions tests here in over 10 years and apparently they are brining it back in 2023 and it will supposedly exceed California emissions. I don't have ANY emissions equipment on my truck. So I am curious, what does everyone else do that is in that situation?

 

[Sy644]

I don’t think they does this on a classic vehicles.
double check?

 

[Poconojoe]

In Pennsylvania, vehicles registered as antique don't require any inspection, but have to be 25 years old, and original or restored. Classic registration requires the vehicle to be 20 years or older and in original or restored condition and requires inspection. I live in a non-emisions County and even if your vehicle requires safety inspection, emissions inspection, is only visual, so as long as it has a cat, even a hollow one, it normally passes

 

[Sy2622]

Sounds like your going to have to do some research on the new laws.
When I lived in California you could take your vehicle to a "smog ref" that would inspect it and determine if it was exempt or what you had to do to be compliant. This was mainly for a vehicle that was purchased out of state and that wasn't California compliant when built.
Kinda like Poconojoe said if it appeared stock on the outside and didn't state California emissions compliant on a sticker in the engine bay they usually
would mark it as exempt.
They can't expect you to pay thousands of of dollars to bring it up to a standard that was implemented 30 + years after production.

 

[wildphil]

What are you using to tune your trucks with? I used code$59 and made a tune for emission testing only. From idle to 2k rpm( our testing is a two step test at those two rpms). I made sure the AFR stayed at 14.7 or a tiny bit leaner and that the timing advance set at 10 degrees through the same rpm ranges. My truck passed the smog test easily. I did have a CAT still on my truck.

This was in Tennessee not Cali.

 

[2500avalanche]

What state?

 

[DaveP's Ghost]

Mike: Your best hope is that Colorado won't implement inspection state-wide, and there will be counties that won't require inspection. Find an address in one of these counties to "use" and do the paperwork. You MAY be able to set up a domiciled address and a mailing address. I have this on my 85 Corvette in California. The domiciled address is a client's vacation house in a non-inspected county. The registration sticker and correspondence comes to me at my house, but the car doesn't need biennial inspection. Has been working well for me for 10 years.

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I've found that the easiest way to pass California Room of Doom testing is to keep ALL my cars stock, with stock PROMS, and a good cat. I never have trouble with the visual, and seldom have trouble with the sniffer. I've been using the same guy for 15 years. He pre-tests all my cars to be sure they will pass, and if the numbers are too high, he doesn't test it until I fix it. Usually if it isn't a bad plug wire causing an audible miss, a new cat takes care of high HC. High CO can be a bunch of things, but fortunately I haven't had too much grief with CO on the EFI cars as long as the PROM is a stock calibration.

 

[Timbo]

I used to do emission testing in Alaska back when they required it. Most states have some sort of workaround - In AK there were seasonal tags that you could get that did not require testing if you only drove the vehicle during the Summer months. Here in Ohio, there are classic vehicle plates (which also have restrictions), but testing is not required on vehicles as old as ours. If you know what the emission requirements will be, I could give you some ideas. The "knowing someone who does testing" method was another option that worked well

 

[Mikeysy15]

California is the worst . All my cars have always been modified . No cats, Heads/cam. All I simply do is ask around and find a shop that will pass it for me and I pay anywhere from 250-300 bucks. Most of the time I don’t even take the car. Just registration. If I find a shop in Cali, I’m sure you can guys can place anywhere else . I have never been worried about a smog test . And hell no I ain’t keeping my truck stock or running a Cat because of smog

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Yeah Im not looking forward to this. Im thinking about modifying my stock plenum to run with my set up so I can fake the egr. Everything else shouldnt be a big deal.

Ive heard that running e85 helps psss the sniffer.

 

[RealFastV6]

Who knows what they'll do. Where I'm at, vehicles over 25yo are exempt, so I used to have to take the Syclone but they're both exempt now.

Last time the Syclone went, I just removed the test pipe and put the cat back on it. XFI, 83lb Injectors, No EGR, Vortex Heads, and it still passed no problem. Don't forget they're testing a 1991 vehicle to 1991 standards, not to current standards. It supposedly consisted of a visual inspection, but the only thing they ever did was make sure it had a cat on it.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

No offense to the Californians here but, it kills me to no end that these fuckers ruin the state of CA and then move here because California sucks so bad and then vote for the same BS that ruined CA, ruining our state. All this to stick it to Donald Trump. THANKS COLORADO!!!!

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Mike: Your best hope is that Colorado won't implement inspection state-wide, and there will be counties that won't require inspection. Find an address in one of these counties to "use" and do the paperwork. You MAY be able to set up a domiciled address and a mailing address. I have this on my 85 Corvette in California. The domiciled address is a client's vacation house in a non-inspected county. The registration sticker and correspondence comes to me at my house, but the car doesn't need biennial inspection. Has been working well for me for 10 years.

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I've found that the easiest way to pass California Room of Doom testing is to keep ALL my cars stock, with stock PROMS, and a good cat. I never have trouble with the visual, and seldom have trouble with the sniffer. I've been using the same guy for 15 years. He pre-tests all my cars to be sure they will pass, and if the numbers are too high, he doesn't test it until I fix it. Usually if it isn't a bad plug wire causing an audible miss, a new cat takes care of high HC. High CO can be a bunch of things, but fortunately I haven't had too much grief with CO on the EFI cars as long as the PROM is a stock calibration.

From everything I have read, it will be state wide, no exceptions. STOCK what? Huh?

How the hell are you btw, I had a dream about you a few weeks ago :lol:

 

[Sy2622]

And who said bigotry is dead?
No offense taken from me. Why do think I left Colorado in 2000? It was bad then could only imagine what is like now.
Californians didn't make it bad it was all those yuppies from Boulder. I was working their in the 90's and remember all this BS laws that they passed. Couldn't make direct eye contact with someone for more than 5 seconds. No matter where you live it will never be how it was.
It just sucks that majority of people now a days are a bunch of sheep and are to afraid to speak their minds. It's only offensive when someone chooses to be offended.
I feel for you having to deal with the smog B.S.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Colorado will adopt California-style low-emission vehicle standards under Hickenlooper order

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper today issued an executive order requiring the adoption of low-emission vehicle standards by 2025, with the first steps in developing the program ready by the end of this year. The idea is that by relying on…

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There's that for one. I've been here since 91 and I can tell you there a LOT of Californians here. I know and work with many. I'd say 40% of the people I know and have known came from there. So my opinion is based on my experience, not some blind bogus thought I pulled out of my ass.

I would say that 80% of the people I have known from CA are exactly as I desceibed, which is why I said what I said. That is not bigotry, it is observation. I had a thought over the last 8 to 12 years with the word bigot being thrown around. Aren't people who hate or talk bad about bigots or any other groups bigots themselves?

Im asking, I really am.

Where in CO did you live?

 

[Sy2622]

I lived in Fort collins, Wellington, Windsor and Greely. I still have family spread out from Denver to Dacono. Hell I can probably help you get your truck passed.
I built houses and would get the cops called on me from the same people that would bring me cases of beer when I would work late building their house. But the minute they moved in they would think we were rude.
Now remember no offense!!
Absolutely nothing wrong with it but by definition you are a bigot.
opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
I was born in California and moved to Colorado as soon as I graduated high school. I have been plagued with hearing those exact statements that you make basically my entire life. I'm not offended at all I do truly believe that it's funny how everyone acts and treats Californians. You can't choose where your born you just have to deal with it.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Everyone is a bigot my friend.

 

[Sy2622]

Now we're on the same page!
I agree 100%, so back to the emissions issues.
In Cali they would function test the egr.
They would disconnect the vacuum line an hook up a vacuum pump and cycle the egr to see if they vehicle would stumble/bog down. This would indicate a working egr.
Do you know exactly what they are planning on implementing for OBD 1 vehicles?
I don't think they will put your truck on a treadmill to load test it but if they are trying to go that route that might be your way out due to them not having an all wheel drive treadmill.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

According to the laws I have read, they are going to expect everything to pas as if it were new. I even read that old cars with new engines will be required to pass smog. So my 59 has a 5.3l in it, if I tell them what year it is from I will have to adhere to those results. I'm told by a few exhaust shop guys to say it was a crate engine.

The Typhoon is definitely my biggest worry. I wanted to go to the Edelbrock intake with the Wilson elbow but as we all know, that has no EGR provision. At this point, I might be better off going back to the stock intakes.

 

[wildphil]

I had an Edelbrock intake a custom cam and lots of other mods and It was very east to tune my Ty so it would pass the smog test easily.