New chip update

[ashman]

Re: New chip update

Tunerpro granted isn't the best data logger,

i'm going to argue this point...TP does an excellent job of "datalogging" and it provide a .csv file that will allow manipulation for anyone that knows excel.

what TP doesn't have is an nice internal graphing and the realtime display is VERY lacking, but, as you said, it sounds like mark will be making it better in the future.

there's even a few programs (PAnalyzer for one) that will take the .csv files and provide a, fairly, functional graph.

 

[JSM]

Re: New chip update

sneak peak at new tunerpro scanner

 

[qbnkiller]

Re: New chip update

...pssssst! Hey Jeff....no pic posted!

 

[JSM]

Re: New chip update

hmmm, it shows on my screen I bet it is due to everybody else not being logged in to that site.

 

[skwayb]

Re: New chip update

You mean this?

 

[skwayb]

Re: New chip update

Or how about this Histogram? You can graph it now in the last version I saw...

 

[turbodig]

Re: New chip update

Code 59 is heavily modified Stock Sy/Ty (58) code. So technically right now at this point Datamaster would still hook up and log data, problem is we changed a bunch of the ALDL outputs so some of the datafields in Datamaster wouldn't look correct. Also down the road we may change the ALDL communications to make it easier for AutoProm/programs to connect to our ECM. Who knows at this point. We are still in beta.

So I wouldn't even use datamaster. TunerPro is going to be your logger of choice on 59 so you can take the ALDL log and dump it into the AutoTune Spreadsheet. It will then spit out a new VE table for you to copy back into your VE table in Tunerpro and burn a new chip. Makes tuning the big table a lot easier.

To clarify further....

DM will still work. It'll even spit out good data. What will be different, is that some of the
flags will read different values. 90% of DM owners don't ever use any of the flags that are
changed, so for most folks, it won't be a problem.

Now here comes the "gotcha"....

The Autotune Script/Spreadsheet doesn't work with DM. At all. Could it maybe in the future?
Possibly. Although, I will say that it won't be very high on our priority list.

It's also possible that some enterprising hacker might want to make a translator from DM
files into the CSV data that Autotune wants. Again, I don't think that will be us, for time
constraint issues more than anything else.

One of our core "principles": Don't endorse or lock people into any specific hardware or
product. We'll support as many different platforms as is practical to do.

We're not trying to push TunerPro down anybody's throat, it's just that it's currently the
only thing that will support all the additional functions that we need.

If somebody else wants to play, we'll be more than happy to provide them a spreadsheet
of what Autotune needs.

Later,

 

[qbnkiller]

Re: New chip update

sorry man...in OPERA, it doesn't show up at all. In IE, it shows the red X, and 'SHOW PICTURE' doesn't make it come up either.

 

[skwayb]

Re: New chip update

BTW Mark knows that TunerPro is lacking in the ALDL department. He is working hard to get that part of the program up to snuff. The graphing and displaying of data in real time like Datamster will be there times 10. He is adding histograms, graphing of more than 5 ALDL values. You will practically be able to Graph everything you want at one time. I assure you after seeing what he has coming.. that Deficiencies will be gone and will surpass datamaster by far.

 

[Tooky]

Re: New chip update

Thanks guys; the nice thing is that no matter what, it's great to have additional tuning solution choices!

Hey Paul (skwayb), did you recieve the emails I sent with the definition updates? One of my best ones is the one that's always called "LC STORE LOW COOLANT ENABLE", it actually is completely mislabeled. It's actually the BLM Enable/Disable temp. I've never seen any software or definition do it correct, and I'm wondering how everyone else controls their BLMs!

 

[turbodig]

Re: New chip update

I'm seeing awesome $59 results also. I'm probably a good example of the average owner that doesn't know alot about tuning. I played around with the $58 and could get results, but $59 just makes it so much more intuitive. The WB02 closed loop funtion is great. Once your truck is tuned pretty close, just enter the AFRs you want for each MAP/RPM, enable CL and watch the magic!!!

I can imagine that some of the aftermarket ECM companies are a little bit worried.

We're a speck on a fly's butt to aftermarket ECM companies.

Really, things would have to grow dramatically to even remotely be a threat to their business.
People who buy aftermarket ECUs still will, since the "turn-key" aspect is there. The only
environments where the $59 code is relatively "turn-key" is the SyTy, turbo sunbird, and
those who have re-pinned a '730 to work with $58. (Although, I'd love to see it in all kinds
of weird applications!)

It isn't really even our intent to compete with anyone... at all. We're just interested in
fixing some of the nagging issues that we have today, as well as getting people interested
in tuning. The more tunes that we end up with, the more everybody learns. (Ie, x didn't
work, but y did...)

Later,

 

[skwayb]

Re: New chip update

Thanks guys; the nice thing is that no matter what, it's great to have additional tuning solution choices!

Hey Paul (skwayb), did you recieve the emails I sent with the definition updates? One of my best ones is the one that's always called "LC STORE LOW COOLANT ENABLE", it actually is completely mislabeled. It's actually the BLM Enable/Disable temp. I've never seen any software or definition do it correct, and I'm wondering how everyone else controls their BLMs!

Nope I don't see it. What e-mail did you send it from? Can you e-mail them to me again? A lot of the things in the XDF are from Hacks (commented disassembled code) that are floating around. Dig told me to be careful with them since they aren't always correct. Hence why there are errors in XDF. Hopefully we will get them all fixed eventually. E-mail me what you have and I'll fix it. I just started going through all the constants. Man I am going crazy since half the time I can't find a formula that tells me how to decode it correctly. I think there are over 200 constants and a lot of them aren't documented in any of the hacks. So back to reading source code again and seeing if I can figure it out.

 

[finishline]

Re: New chip update

Turbodig,

I run an 85 GN converted to an 87 with my own custom chips useing Tunercat. I'm very interested in throwing away my MAF and going with MAP. Some of the other GN guys are also doing this. I would be willing to continue useing Tunercat but, I'm not aware of your "stock" boost pressures. Can I boost to 22 with your stock tables or do I need your modded chip and a 3 bar map sensor?

 

[JSM]

Re: New chip update

The new code is setup from start to run 3bar, so you would need 3 bar sensor.

Again tunerpro is only way to go, unless you can convince tunercat to make a definition file, or someone had the tools for that software to make one.

 

[qbnkiller]

Re: New chip update

hey...when this new chip comes out, will we have different types of salsa-settings?

* MILD * for getting to the BINGO games and renewing your driver's license.
* MEDIUM * for those times you need to let your friend borrow the truck for a few...
* CALIENTE * for those times you need to go on a beer run during a commercial break

**EDIT - tongue-in-cheek humor**

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: New chip update

well you could just tune 3 seperate chips for 3 seperate boost levels....but my understanding is this is a single program - not some 10-1 like you might be used to w/ an ultimate/todd's chip.

 

[ashman]

Re: New chip update

with a Moates G3 you can have up to, i believe, 16 bins. even with the $59 code.

 

[turbodig]

Re: New chip update

Turbodig,

I run an 85 GN converted to an 87 with my own custom chips useing Tunercat. I'm very interested in throwing away my MAF and going with MAP. Some of the other GN guys are also doing this. I would be willing to continue useing Tunercat but, I'm not aware of your "stock" boost pressures. Can I boost to 22 with your stock tables or do I need your modded chip and a 3 bar map sensor?

I'd recommend a 3 bar chip (either $59 or otherwise). You *could* do it with a 2 bar, but not very well.

Quite a few have converted from the GN ECM to a '749, and have really liked the result.
I think the new code might persuade a few more to jump ship. I know I'll be going that
route eventually on the GN... only reason I have the stocker in there now is so I can
learn a bit more about the GN's system.

A commercially-made adapter harness would help a lot in that regard, also.

Later,

 

[turbodig]

Re: New chip update

well you could just tune 3 seperate chips for 3 seperate boost levels....but my understanding is this is a single program - not some 10-1 like you might be used to w/ an ultimate/todd's chip.

While we haven't tried specifcally, we may well be able to retro-fit the 59 code into an
existing Ultimate, for those who already own one.

Presonally, I do most of my tuning with either an emulator (ostrich,xtronics) or
a single-chip carrier. Adding the switched functionality is best saved until all the
individual cals in a multi-chip are all done.

Later,

 

[autoaddictions]

Re: New chip update

Whare can i buy the parts to run tuner pro? (What Will I Need Be Specific Im Retarted!)
cables, burner, emulator and such as i already have a laptop.
Will a AEM wideband work with tunerpro? (Allready have one)
Whats the part # for the 3 bar map fronm gm.

Id like to play around with it before the new code is avalible. to learn its tables and so forth

Thanks