new rpm turbo or whole kit???

[Ryda85]

ok heres the deal guys...im looking into upgrading my turbo, i was set on just getting rpm stage 1..bolting it on and maybe some alky. i would be on the stock converter until the trans blows.

then i was thinking if its easier just to do the stage one kit with the 60-1 turbo and have a nice setup for the future so i dont need to swap out turbos twice ( i hate doing things more than once)

so what do you think is the better route to go?

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

ok heres the deal guys...im looking into upgrading my turbo, i was set on just getting rpm stage 1..bolting it on and maybe some alky. i would be on the stock converter until the trans blows.

then i was thinking if its easier just to do the stage one kit with the 60-1 turbo and have a nice setup for the future so i dont need to swap out turbos twice ( i hate doing things more than once)

so what do you think is the better route to go?

edit: build the tranny!

 

[live1053rulz]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

That's kind of the same dilemma I'm standing in the middle of. Not sure how laggy things would be with a 60-1 kit and stock tc. Anyone have anything to say about that?

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

ok heres the deal guys...im looking into upgrading my turbo, i was set on just getting rpm stage 1..bolting it on and maybe some alky. i would be on the stock converter until the trans blows.

then i was thinking if its easier just to do the stage one kit with the 60-1 turbo and have a nice setup for the future so i dont need to swap out turbos twice ( i hate doing things more than once)

so what do you think is the better route to go?

you may want to consider building the trans and doing a converter first...then your set for a bigger turbo later. I know people don't do it, because they don't get any performace out of it, but to just wait for the trans to blow is odd to me for some reason.

 

[Andreas]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

Bigger turbo will kill your tranny even quicker, and other parts.
But you seems to be prepared for that.

I'm hade the same thoughts as you. This is how I decided:

Drive the truck with stock Turbo and chip (Mr Waller or Mr Long) for stock motor (in your case until the tranny goes) and learn tuning.

Go for the 60-1 turbo and as low stall as possible for that turbo, I guess you have the truck as a "driver" as I have. And have the chip upgraded by Mr Waller or Mr Long to the new setup.

 

[Ryda85]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

ahh decisions decisions.......i like the idea of just bolting on 40 hp and being ok for spool up and that should be good for 12's and with some alky maybe mid 12's....then build the trans and converter and maybe hit low 12's high 11's on the rpm stage 1 kit? is that possible?

i think i am going to go this route even though i would like the whole kit. i just hate wasting money and doing things twice but i dont have the money to do it all in one shot

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

People have gone mid or evern lower 12s with the stock turbo and tons of tuning... so I would think a rpm stage 1 turbo with tons of tuning would be even better... If money permits and you could deal with tons of lag then go with the kit and rebuild your tranny before it's totally useless.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

build the tranny, do a converter, and tune it for 12's....tune tune tune. the answer is not always a bigger turbo.

 

[Black Knight]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

build the tranny, do a converter, and tune it for 12's....tune tune tune. the answer is not always a bigger turbo.

X2 check out Six-is-Enough's sy :tup:

 

[bezerk]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

upgraded turbo from j waller! stock TC,

 

[gjp]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

I am running the stage 1 and I love it. The reason I did not go bigger was that my trans and TC were built last year. Plus I am only looking for low 12's. This is my weekend street fun car not realy a track monster. 12's will keep up with just about anything on the street. My truck right now is running high/mid 12's according to the DM and I am still tunning. The stage one is far better then stock. Not only will you get the 40hp increase but it hold boost better and has a better wastegate. I can boost steady at 20lbs. I thought of going to a bigger turbo but like was said before "bigger is not always better" It not only costs more but puts more wear on the rest of the truck.
1st ask yourself what you want out of your truck. Then build from there. Trans is a must. If I was to do it over again I would have put a 2800 stall with the 60-1 turbo. But I am happy with my setup as is.

 

[cvcsmkr]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

ok heres the deal guys...im looking into upgrading my turbo, i was set on just getting rpm stage 1..bolting it on and maybe some alky. i would be on the stock converter until the trans blows.

then i was thinking if its easier just to do the stage one kit with the 60-1 turbo and have a nice setup for the future so i dont need to swap out turbos twice ( i hate doing things more than once)

so what do you think is the better route to go?

after looking back, i wish i had just went with a small bolt on turbo.
i have the pte kit.
as i see it.
you either go really BIG(turbo, injectors, chip, eventually a trans, and all the other little things) which comes with more problems, and then you have a chopped up sy.

i just like to get the most of my mods, so you can say "yeah i ran 12.2" with bolt on turbo and stock downpipe.

you can do the same with the bigger setup except you will go faster, probably have more problems, more work, more money, etc.

my 2 cents

 

[It's just a six]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

With a bigger turbo that spools up slow (too big a turbine housing) should not hurt your tranny more than a stock turbo that spools up quick & produces more low end torque.
Torque is what kills tranny's, sure you will make more top end HP w/a bigger turbo, but that is not killing/or will be killing your tranny.
My stock tranny/converter, should blow up any time now with 586 ft lbs, but I think having a stock 2100 stall torque converter does not multiply the torque as much as a higher stall converter. :2cents:

 

[MRKING]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

The 60 kit is nice , but a stock converter would be too slow of spool up . If you have future plans , go big now and avoid buying 2 times. Tranny should be the first to build up though , its barely strong enough to hold stock power , let alone mods .

 

[ghettosled]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

if you do the 60-1 kit with a stock converter, you will think it actually slowed the truck down, b/c it will be very lazy. The 60-1 is a big turbo. It is alot more turbo then a PT51,52,54 or TE60...

In either case, boost launches and increased boost with either turbo will lead to transmission failure sooner then later. The stage 1 is a great turbo for a daily driver. The 60-1 kit is really designed for larger injectors, and trucks with built motors, or pushing the limits of the stock long block, thats why we offer it with the external wastegate and 3" downpipe.

 

[Ryda85]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

if you do the 60-1 kit with a stock converter, you will think it actually slowed the truck down, b/c it will be very lazy. The 60-1 is a big turbo. It is alot more turbo then a PT51,52,54 or TE60...

In either case, boost launches and increased boost with either turbo will lead to transmission failure sooner then later. The stage 1 is a great turbo for a daily driver. The 60-1 kit is really designed for larger injectors, and trucks with built motors, or pushing the limits of the stock long block, thats why we offer it with the external wastegate and 3" downpipe.

hmmm well my sy is not a daily driver ,,,,i how bad is the lag on the stage 2 bolt on turbo

 

[Black Knight]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

if you do the 60-1 kit with a stock converter, you will think it actually slowed the truck down, b/c it will be very lazy. The 60-1 is a big turbo. It is alot more turbo then a PT51,52,54 or TE60...

Mike is there any reason they call it a 60-1 as apposed to a 61?

 

[ghettosled]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

its a completely different wheel design..

60-1 below

GT61 below

You can see the 60-1 works well for lower boost applications, whereas the 61 likes a bit more boost.

 

[Black Knight]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

So what do those numbers on that chart represent?

 

[Ls1WOT]

Re: new rpm turbo or whole kit???

man this guys great not only does he have the badest syty shop but he actually comes on here and just explains stuff to us newbies without just saying hey buy my stage 2 kit. Im gunna have to come check out your shop seeing how i work in pasadena which isn`t very far.