One last shot... Breaking up!

BoostedSUV

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I would until you get your wiring thorougly checked out - basically the entire starting and charging system

Ugh this should be fun! I need to read the service manuals some more and read through the suggestions on this page to get a better unerstanding of what, where, and how to test everything. I have a pretty good idea but I need a more in depth analysis on what to look for and how to test. I've been been testing grounds by testing OHMS of resistance, but I could do using votage as well. I need to read more into diagnosis of electrical systems.
 

WyoSyclone

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Ugh this should be fun! I need to read the service manuals some more and read through the suggestions on this page to get a better unerstanding of what, where, and how to test everything. I have a pretty good idea but I need a more in depth analysis on what to look for and how to test. I've been been testing grounds by testing OHMS of resistance, but I could do using votage as well. I need to read more into diagnosis of electrical systems.

Shouldn't be that bad :D

Fastest and easiest is test it for voltage drop. With truck running, set multimeter to DC volts.

Start at the battery B+, positive to the bolt, negative to the shell around the bolt (GM side mount connection)... wiggle the connection and look for voltage to show up... any voltage means there is resistance in the connection and you're reading voltage potential between the probes.

Then move to the next section to test... keep doing this till you get to wherever you want to stop... keep wiggling wires and connections (or better yet rev till the engine starts coughing) and look for the one length of wire that produces voltage... at this point you're probably looking at working between the back of the alternator and the power junction since the alternator is powering the truck.


If nothing shows up, then you need to disconnect battery and alternator and start testing resistance between all components.

That 16-19 volt issue is not normal.... probe from that junction block to different grounds to see where you get 16 and where you get 13.8.... I can't logically think of how this could not produce 16 volts in a lot of places - unless it's a high-frequency (low power) AC signal riding on the DC.... did you check for AC voltage where you found that 16-19 volts?
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I'm out messing with the truck right now as we I type. With the truck running and neg probe on alt output, pos on juction block I am getting voltage bouncing between 3.5 and 9 volts. With truck off I'm gett .01 volts between those 2 points. I tried moving ground on probe side around and I still get 16-19 volts bouncing all over the place, even withg alt unplugged.

Reading ACV and meter set on the 20 setting the reading is bouncing from 4.8 all the way up to a few flashed of 10. Not sure what any of this means. I'm using my "ask the experts" life line! Lol
 

BoostedSUV

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With battery disconnected and OHM meter set on the beep setting am getting 1.5 ohms from the output to the block and .2 to the junction block. What does all this mean?
 

yudlose

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Reading ACV and meter set on the 20 setting the reading is bouncing from 4.8 all the way up to a few flashed of 10.

The diodes in the regulating portion of the alt are weak and is giving you ripple, not a flat DC voltage like it should. Definatly need to change the alt.
 

yudlose

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

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There is inherently some ripple, but a weak or dead diode will make it have more ripple than normal.
 

cloneman315

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

try to un hook the alt totally and go drive it,you should be able to drive it a bit with it un hooked.
 

BoostedSUV

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Wait jusssst one minute! I just pulled the wires off the back of the ALT and did the same test. No continuity to ground... Did the same test on each individual wire and the one that connects to the junction showed both conituity to the block and the junction block! Tell me that's my problem!
 

cloneman315

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

i told you go drive it unhooked,it could be shorting to ground inside.just have to try it
 

BoostedSUV

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i told you go drive it unhooked,it could be shorting to ground inside.just have to try it

That one wire is shorted to ground with it in my hand and alligator clip to eyelit and disconnected from alt. Don't need to drive it to see that. There's no way any wire off the alt should show continuity to the block correct?
 

SloGN

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

That one wire is shorted to ground with it in my hand and alligator clip to eyelit and disconnected from alt. Don't need to drive it to see that. There's no way any wire off the alt should show continuity to the block correct?

it just depends on what else is still hooked up in the truck. Your stereo amp could be bleeding current from the hot side to the ground side. you gotta understand how the meter reads when in the ohm test.

if that wire was truley shorted to ground you should have a smoking wire:)
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

I disconnected the power feed for the hood light and the beeping stopped. I tested the power feed of hood light (which is connected to junction block) and it had a short to ground. If I jiggle the wires or took light out it went away. There's no way I can think of that this should show continuity to ground on both the power feed and ground side?
 

cloneman315

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

could be capacitors charged etc,go try and drive it with that alt unhooked,it might be the issue
 

turboj91

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

Matt & I have had a few pm's back & forth. Problem started after an engine rebuild and reinstall. I'm wondering if when the engine was removed or reinstalled, that a wire was broken or pinched. Our harnesses are a mess. Not saying he is not capable but it's easy to do.
 

BoostedSUV

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OK i may have confused myself even more. I connected everything back up with out the hood light and retested everything. I was still showing a .6 ohm continuity to the block off the distribution block on firewall. I pulled off each wire from the alternator output and from the dist block. I re-probed every wire and the wire with the 2 fusible links attached was the one showing connection to ground. next I separated the 2 wires at the at the dist block that were connected and re-tested each individually.

The one that showed continuity with the wire that connects to ALT output was fine while the other wire still showed a connection to ground. I believe it's the wire that feeds the ignition switch and fuse panel because the truck would not start with out it connected. I don't get it? I've never tested anything like this so It doesn't make any sense!

Another thing... when everything is connected I'm getting a 48ohm connection across battery terminals, and with it disconnected there was no connection. I'm not showing any short to ground from the Alternator output unless all the wires are connected.


I'm confused and I don't know if any of this means a damn thing!?!?
 

BoostedSUV

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Re: One last shot... Breaking up!

could be capacitors charged etc,go try and drive it with that alt unhooked,it might be the issue

how can I disconnect the alt and drive it? remove all the wires from the output and connect them together? I tried the truck with the plug disconected which disables the charging function and i still had the issue.
 
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