Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

ChiPhoon

Chicago Typhoon!
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Exactly. Truth be told, that's always been a thorn in the community's side. We've always had an annual influx of newcomers who ask the same questions, "strip mine" the site's resources, and leave or sell without a single contribution. Too many resources have been exhausted on these efforts, and while I do realize that there will always be those unwilling to search, this pattern shows an inherent flaw in the community and some of the audience it attracts. Those unwilling to contribute with a keyboard and a mouse are increasingly unlikely to contribute financially or time-wise to improve the community.

And while we can't make the community a masonic lodge, we can't cater to or pander those who would inhibit progressive change in a mire of redundancy either. Our efforts can be put to much better use elsewhere.

searching seems like a big confusing circle as well sometimes, isnt there a list of help tips for searching like using quotes or keywords to get better results? its probably the biggest problem new people ask before searching i think. or they lack time in needing help which is easier to post a thread for help.
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

I'll give my opinion on this. These trucks have been raped and exploited with all of the V8 conversions, Bowtie and other "big" setups that no one finishes, things like that. We see new people come inall the time with this hot and heavy look at me Im awesome attitude and then no one really does anything. Around here I have seen my wife's Ty sell twice in three years not including when we sold it. I just don't anyone really gives a real shit at this point. I work on 4 or 5 SYTY's a year. People seem to search me out somehow (and others I'm sure) and I used to get excited to work on other SYTY's but then I realized something, most of these guys don't have the money or the time to deal with it and I am the one that is somehow expected to balance the short comings.

It has driven me to always charge for my work and not really care as much for the "person" as they'll lose their stomach for this and disappear anyway. I am still die hard SYTY guy I just care much less for the "community" as I used to after realizing that many people are really just out for themselves. I remain very close to my locals and we all tend to agree for the most part that the community or SYTY world has changed in a very unexciting way and has faded for us. At this point, I am always looking mostly at for sale stuff and rarely look for info or to buddy up with any new comers.

Perhaps I am having a negative attitude but you can only used so many times before realizing your efforts are in vein.

As for the guys that are opposite of above description, I have all the respect in the world for you and appreciate you trucking on everyday and not giving up. :tup:
 

ChiPhoon

Chicago Typhoon!
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

so after a split conversation, what can we do to gain more active interests here instead of it being a resource junkyard? maybe if we look at it in a positive way to try and earn back member that are whiling to put more effort back in.

what i think hurt this place the past few years are the amount of bad buying/selling deals and the negativity or lack of help to new comers in general,

one thing i like that some other forums i go on do is...
put some rules in the forum to introduce yourself before you can post, a little info on a person sharing some interests can go a long way.
as it is now i see people using the "new members" section but get barely any welcomes from longtime forum members, regardless if there staying for a short time, some may not plan to but realize the welcoming wasn't what they hoped. just some thoughts.

what about free giveaways to promote more active users? im up for giving away some free items if it gains more interests. i don't need anything back from it. just more thoughts.
 

NOJIMMY

New member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?


What this simple poll indicated (to me) was that there is no consensus as to whether things should be changed as:
a) some folks are satisfied, requiring no change
b) some folks see the dichotomy of opinions as normal, perhaps even better than most forums, and thus very satisfied
c) some see the future as going to hell in a hand basket, continually diminishing in value/assistance, desiring change and
d) some don't care one way or another, and will work around the outcome for their own individual needs.

If you perceived the status quo as "okay", then changes are unlikely to be of interest.
If you see the future as bright/positive, then you might even fight/reject change.
If you view the situation as dire and downward trending, you might endorse extreme measures (such as membership dues to police activities).
And if your a member casually passing bye, with your own agenda, then its unlikely you care what happens.

These wide range of opinions may prove the hardest mountain to overcome as only 1 out of the 4 mindsets attempts to make something "better".

...but I may be wrong.

-Larry Brown
LS7 NoJimmy Typhoon
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Some thoughts on your conclusion "c". I had suggested in an earlier post on a different thread that membership dues would be a good idea. I have not changed my mind on that, but rather refined it. Do I think that long term members who have given much back to the board should pay dues? Absolutely not.

I do think it would be a good idea to have a mandatory donation for new members until they reach "x" post count. Maybe that could be "senior member" status, but I do not know what that post count horizon is. After that, donations would be optional. I know I have saved countless hours trying to figure things out just be searching and calling on members.

Further, if there is say, a $10 membership fee, that fee could be split between the national sy/ty world, and the regional sy/ty area that the member is in.

I don't want to discourage new members, but I think it would be a good thing to think about if we make some changes to get greater use out of the valuable resource that this forum is. As they say about land, "they ain't making any more of them".
 

sae

Donating Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Well this is a pretty depressing thread :roll:

But really, every car community is like this, as far as new comers and the available info. There's always the people that come and ask dumb questions and sell their car because it's too much work and effort. There's always old timers that get pissed off when people don't search. There's always people leaving the community after being there for years with flagship cars. There's always people that trash cars and dump them.

I think a lot of it is because it's a buyers market, where people can get in for lower than usual pricing. It's not hard to find a decent enough ty for under 8,000.. a lot of people in that price bracket don't care to research and put great effort into the truck unless they know what it is and appreciate it.

If people don't appreciate or care, they're not going to put money into vendor products, events, or websites. Hell a lot of people don't even wash the damn things after driving through snow and salt :rant: let alone "give back."

On the flip side, a lot of guys that talk up a bunch of crap now are also guys that started by asking dumb questions, whether it was here or a previous community.. I've seen this on various other forums for 3800s, TGO, TV.

Sometimes people do come off too harsh, but usually it's with good intention. It's a shame people do get scared off from that kind of thing but it happens.

People come and go, things change, it's part of the hobby. After all, how many guys still have their first "had to have" car? :rotf:
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Well this is a pretty depressing thread :roll:

But really, every car community is like this, as far as new comers and the available info. There's always the people that come and ask dumb questions and sell their car because it's too much work and effort. There's always old timers that get pissed off when people don't search. There's always people leaving the community after being there for years with flagship cars. There's always people that trash cars and dump them.
This thread isn't meant to be depressing, just realistic.....but often times, a dose of reality can be disheartening. And that's part of my point. We're at the "sh*t or get off the pot" point in our community. Hopefully, in 5 years, we'll see this time as the point when we took a turn for the better. But it requires constructive input....not just cyclical recognition of a problem.

And this isn't the only car club most of us are a part of.....but this group does face unique challenges. Our trucks garnered interest from the public during the uptake of the ever-connected era. The muscle car era didn't have that variable....neither did the early sport truck era....or the Turbo Regals for that matter. So, now when we see a change in the community, it's very apparent to us as we're aware of the stature of the community from a point not too long ago. Most car clubs pre-dating us saw the internet adoption as a breath of fresh air for a community that had already vetted a lot of the tire-kickers and flash-in-the-pan owners. Those communities (Lightnings, GTOs, etc....) that saw their introduction after us had the benefit of the internet from the start. So, they've all seen this era through different colored glasses than us.

But I'll do my part.....and make some constructive observations and suggestions.

- If we implement a membership fee, it brings with it a lot of financial logistics to contend with. In my opinion, if we were a membership based community, it would be best to run it like the SCCA, where one national committee oversees regional groups. Each regional representative would need to be personally responsible for his/her region's finances and would be held to a standard of conduct and morality (both financial and representative) indicative of the collective body of regions. This is a significant undertaking that requires a democratic process or a community agreement of who those individuals should be. And while this "negative" (and there are others) might seem to negate the whole idea, keep in mind that level of organization does bring a lot of positives, including (but not limited to) funding availability, public recognition increase, collective legitimacy when acquiring services or resources (group insurance, site rentals, etc...). It's an interesting idea and on that could fail miserably or be just what we need.

- One idea that has been tossed around before and holds some merit is the idea of joining effort when conducting events. There's a lot of groups that we naturally "fall into bed with", such as the Turbo Regals and 3rd Gen F-bodys. Essentially, cars of a similar era and performance. Joining efforts (at least regionally) could net some positives with very few drawbacks. Additionally, having a "shootout" of sorts with competing vehicles (think SyTys vs Lightnings) where we are grouped based on mods and run heads up within that grouping (or just run bracket for the whole event) could similarly stimulate an uptick in our community by generating some new rivalries and interest.

- Another idea is a revival of an old one....regional "wars". Back in the day, FAST, ChiTown, SoCal, and the Northeast guys would all bring big numbers to events. There was an unspoken competition to better the other groups, and though it was all in good fun, it resulted in a lot of attendance and comradery. This could be an easy thing to restart, though incentive might lubricate the process.

I have a lot of other thoughts on the matter, but that's enough to digest for now. I realize that money is always going to be an issue, and while membership might seem the easiest route (and possibly the best), our members have never had an issue contributing when there was something to gain from it. Sadly, the parking lot experience alone isn't enough anymore, so we have to make efforts otherwise (Nats as a part of a larger car show, the aforementioned co-events with other groups, shootouts, etc....).

At least that's my take on it.
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

I really like your second point about joining efforts with other groups. This would vastly spread out our base, and would allow us to meet other folks with similar interests. Generally speaking, older American forced induction gasoline vehicles are pretty rare.

I'm not voting to give up the farm, but these conversations are good.
 

ChiPhoon

Chicago Typhoon!
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

good reading, i always thought there was an unspoken connection with the turbo buick guys, i have passed or seen a few in my ty's over the years and got the same kinda response bikers get as they pass each other whether they are sport bikes or Harley's ie unconditional recognition , good feeling for sure!

(and i have owned 2 GN's myself in the passed before owning my first ty)
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

I really like your second point about joining efforts with other groups. This would vastly spread out our base, and would allow us to meet other folks with similar interests. Generally speaking, older American forced induction gasoline vehicles are pretty rare.

I'm not voting to give up the farm, but these conversations are good.

Agreed. It has very little downside (aside from congestion at the track). This is actually how the Shindig started. In 2000, GAST started going to Reynolds, GA to the track as a club and in 2002, we joined the 3rd Gen F-body group there and did an annual event with them until 2008. We always had a great time with them, they enjoyed our trucks attending, and we even had a few small shootouts while there.
 

Smkur50

SYTY Fleet owner
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Im a market driven guy, when you try to "force" something that just isnt there, well it has consequences. Enjoy the ride guys, it may get better, may get worse....it is what it is.
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

Im a market driven guy, when you try to "force" something that just isnt there, well it has consequences. Enjoy the ride guys, it may get better, may get worse....it is what it is.

But that's like being lost and just parking the car because you're too scared to possibly drive in the wrong direction. I think it's better to try and fail than to not try at all. Obviously, changing nothing hasn't worked....what's the harm in trying?
 

gt67sy

Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

As a guy that has a truck with only 30k miles on it and has taken it a part for a bowtie build that had been 8yrs in the making. I think the demand for these trucks will only get better. I think there are still so many people out there who have no idea what they are.

I understand why so many people start building these things and then sell there projects. All of my friend are amazed at my commitment to this truck as I've been beat down so many time during this project that I can understand why people would want to throw in the towel, but I have a vision and I want give up till I see it through. It's definitely hard to build and mood something that almost ever part is custom. I've made it one of my objectives to make sure I don't have to cut the truck up or do a mod that can't be put back to stock. But I'm not holding on to my truck with the hopes it will be big buck one day. I'm holding onto it to build it how I want it and building it to drive when it's nice out and take to car shows.

I hope we continue to grow as a community and I hope we can keep some of the excellent vendors we have. I think things like a sport truck shootout Is and amazing event when paired with other vehicles like the lightning, srt pickup, srt jeep and these kind of trucks open us up to many more people
 
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sparkwire

Donating Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

I know if I'd put the money in a 67 nova ss that I put in the Ty it would be worth 40k to 60k!!
 

litng1

New member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

We are having a sport truck race april 2015 in ky.

Im a gen1 owner bought new in 95 and our club has went through the samething as you guys.Started with mailing list still has a good following. But nothing like in the beginning.
keep it alive guys and help the new guys.Dont tell them to use the search feature.Talk to them and help.
 

Logan

Member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

As far as the forum is concerned I would have zero issue with charging a small fee for membership. One, it would discourage flakes and two it provides money for upkeep because I am sure there is some cost involved with this.

I like the idea of opening up events or more so combining them with other cars (third gens, TTAs, Turbo Buicks, etc.) that are of the same era and spirit. I think if we go to broad it will just turn into a big car show and I feel like that is what we are trying to avoid. I know I would love to attend some of the events and plan to once life is a little more stable (and I stop doing rotations to Afghanistan, this place sucks). I look forward to meeting the guys that have helped me out as I learned the ins and outs of my Typhoon.
 

NOJIMMY

New member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

As far as the forum is concerned I would have zero issue with charging a small fee for membership. One, it would discourage flakes and two it provides money for upkeep because I am sure there is some cost involved with this.

I like the idea of opening up events or more so combining them with other cars (third gens, TTAs, Turbo Buicks, etc.) that are of the same era and spirit. I think if we go to broad it will just turn into a big car show and I feel like that is what we are trying to avoid. I know I would love to attend some of the events and plan to once life is a little more stable (and I stop doing rotations to Afghanistan, this place sucks). I look forward to meeting the guys that have helped me out as I learned the ins and outs of my Typhoon.


I'm sensing the participation "spectrum" in this poll appears to be quite diverse, with more passionate owners suggesting improvements such as:

Membership fees to Police, Improve, and Offer a range of things such as;
Calendars and memorabilia
Video/YouTube usage (perhaps for build description, vehicle sale/tour, how-to guide, etc)
Supporting Vendor Lists (garage banners, posters, Owner vehicle info boards)
SyTySoGt Vehicle of the Month (picture and build info)
Organized group attendance at other Events such as Carlise Truck Fest, Drag Week, Woodward Car Cruise, Hot August Nights
Trophies/Plaques at SyTy Events
Track Gatherings at Indy 500, Bonderaunt/Training Schools, or other road courses
Members Support at Racing Events (with membership drive/enlistment or active recruitment)
Where-are-they-now segment (for owner updates)
And the more moderate, change is not required members desiring
Minimal Cost/Free Membership to Offer:
Regional/National Contact (email, PM, Facebook, Chat Sessions)
Parts, and Vehicle Listings
National and Regional Event Notification/broadcasting
Anti-spam protection
SyTySoGT Focus only (vs partnering)
Though I'm probably overstating some of the points made earlier (and don't want to beat a dead horse).

-Larry Brown
LS7 NoJimmy Typhoon
 

Ry368

one mile = 5280 feet
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

The membership fees thang didn't work for zr1.net back in the day.....it's now a membership graveyard, but Corvette forum is still free to be a member and is bangin
 

Syclones rock

New member
Re: Poll: Whats the future for SyTy Vehicles, Owners, and Website?

I haven't posted on here in quite a while, and don't have a SyTy any more, so I don't know if my words will hold much weight, but IMO, asking people to pay to perticipate or restricting access to parts of the forum generally does more harm than good. Same with giving the forum restricted access. Speaking of which, is there still a bug with new registration's? I remember reading something about how there was a bot invasion and it was causing problems, and then the admins closed registration because of it. Registration being closed also may turn some new members away and they lose motivation to join and this could slow down discussion/perticipation in the forum.

The only types of sections that restrictions seem to be benificial in are the F/S sub-forums. Mainly because it prevents people from trying to sell their parts/car/truck and immidietly leave without contributing to the forum. Minimum post requirements in F/S sections generally help solve this issue as well.

I love the idea about trying to coordinate events with other similar communities. If you guys are interested, I could try and talk the 4th Gen MCSS guys into perticipating in group events. Some simiar discussions about forum activity have been brought up over there, so it likely wouldn't be hard to convince a lot of them to join in.
 
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