My ty runs pretty good, kicked down with this T-Type regal today 30mph to 1oo, we where dead even, how does a TY or SY stack up to a T-Type, should i be happy with a dead even run ?? he had skinny front drag type tires with some larger then stock rears just alittle added info, thanks
Raced a T-Type Regal ??
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nick041881
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stock for stock, that seems like a typical result. However run him from the dig and you will have some lengths on him!
those motors have more R&D than ours, as well as a larger following......this makes it easier for them to go fast. there are alot of them around here in Az that look stock, but run 11's....even 10's. if we had more brian greens and other people like him, we could be where the buick guys are now.
those motors have more R&D than ours, as well as a larger following......this makes it easier for them to go fast. there are alot of them around here in Az that look stock, but run 11's....even 10's. if we had more brian greens and other people like him, we could be where the buick guys are now.
Pittman
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IF you have some 11sec GN and regals those guys are behind the times. There are a handfull here in Dallas that run 10's and a few in the 9's I stay away from them period, unless your into abuse. Yeah sure you may get a hole shot of the light but they are going to come by you so hard they will damn near (Texas Term) take your paint off. Luckily we just bought an 87 Grand National and pick it up on Wed. 60k on the meter and it only runs 11's. So, its a slow pos now :lol: I really love'em a hell of alot easier to work on.
Pittman
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Before some says "they run faster than that" I mean they are driven to the track. NOT a trailer queen.
Forgot to mention I got beat by a stock GN with 102k miles at the motorplex back when I was mostly stock they guy has just tuned and tuned and is running 12.9's not bad at all with 102,000 miles on it.
Forgot to mention I got beat by a stock GN with 102k miles at the motorplex back when I was mostly stock they guy has just tuned and tuned and is running 12.9's not bad at all with 102,000 miles on it.
SeattleSy#1255
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Hey Pittman,
just noticed you own a 99 viper gts....just wondering what that is like out of the hole? Anything like a sy or ty or is it hard to hook up?
just noticed you own a 99 viper gts....just wondering what that is like out of the hole? Anything like a sy or ty or is it hard to hook up?
Pittman
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Eh.........What do you think??
It was built by TNT has 650 no bottle and has a 200 shot when you need it. Brakes and suspension were also done at TNT. With the shocks set up right (the new susp fully adjustable) it will run 11.50@123 NO BOTTLE 1.88 60' on street tires.
Me and my brother share projects. Works out really good becuase it gives you more choices on what to drive and we live only a few miles apart. The viper is the one he drives the most becuase I cant drive it for shit! He can run an 11.5 at 123 and I run a 12.0 at 123... SO I basically I suck. I like the sy becuase it is so easy to drive and very forgiving. He likes to watch it but not drive it becuase if its not over 120s in the qaurter he think its slow.
We both however really love the buicks for so many reasons I cant list them all here. So this is the next toy we will put together. I think its one we will both like and will have a lot of fun with. I think I will take a pic of the viper and sy and the buick together sometime this week and see If I can get it into my sig file.
It was built by TNT has 650 no bottle and has a 200 shot when you need it. Brakes and suspension were also done at TNT. With the shocks set up right (the new susp fully adjustable) it will run 11.50@123 NO BOTTLE 1.88 60' on street tires.
Me and my brother share projects. Works out really good becuase it gives you more choices on what to drive and we live only a few miles apart. The viper is the one he drives the most becuase I cant drive it for shit! He can run an 11.5 at 123 and I run a 12.0 at 123... SO I basically I suck. I like the sy becuase it is so easy to drive and very forgiving. He likes to watch it but not drive it becuase if its not over 120s in the qaurter he think its slow.
We both however really love the buicks for so many reasons I cant list them all here. So this is the next toy we will put together. I think its one we will both like and will have a lot of fun with. I think I will take a pic of the viper and sy and the buick together sometime this week and see If I can get it into my sig file.
mrweelr
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Umh...Pitmann has good taste in automobiles 
My next "project" will be a 95 TT Supra. I hate rice but those damn things respond so well to mods and aren't too bad on the eyes either. I love GNs but they handle and brake like shit; awesome for straight line drag racing though. Show us some pics!
My next "project" will be a 95 TT Supra. I hate rice but those damn things respond so well to mods and aren't too bad on the eyes either. I love GNs but they handle and brake like shit; awesome for straight line drag racing though. Show us some pics!dR. jEckLe
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nick041881 said:
You got to be kidding!! Sy/tys own the stoplight to stoplight war that is for sure but stock fo stock a sy and a TR are NOT staying together from a roll. I have a stock TR and have walked both of my friends sy's from anything but a stop. One has ran a 14.0 and the other has ran a 13.4. You really are mistaken. Oh yeah I should of mentioned i also had a TY.
Tooky
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I think the mistake is missing the fact that stock TRs run low 14s or high 13s if they are very lucky. I am running 13.2 in my Syclone with only a thermostat, cone filter, and 3" exhaust. I have heard of bone, factory stock TRs run mid 14s. I am talking GNs too.
Don't get me wrong, I love the TRs and I want to buy one as my next vehicle. But I just don't believe this bullshit that they run 12.9 right outta the box , like these Lightnings that supposedly can run 12.9 straight off the showroom floor. My buddy has a 2000 Lightning, I've ridden in it many times. He went to the track and could not best 14.3. Any REAL RACER knows that one SECOND of ET does NOT come that easily in real life. Maybe in bench racing...
Don't get me wrong, I love the TRs and I want to buy one as my next vehicle. But I just don't believe this bullshit that they run 12.9 right outta the box , like these Lightnings that supposedly can run 12.9 straight off the showroom floor. My buddy has a 2000 Lightning, I've ridden in it many times. He went to the track and could not best 14.3. Any REAL RACER knows that one SECOND of ET does NOT come that easily in real life. Maybe in bench racing...
Pittman
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Ok not showroom bone stock, The guy runs slicks (converter I dont know?) and has the stock turbo and runs an ATR exhaust (I think) I know he runs race boost and gas. If anyone lives in Dallas and races at the motorplex you cant miss him. He is parapleadgic (spell check) and drives a GN that is painted white. Somehow he managed to kick my ass driving with levers?????????????????????????????????? You just gotta respect that. Anyway I dont know what little things are on there but it is the stock turbo and downpipe. Ive only raced him on grudge night and I ran a 12.9 and he had me by a fender. (they dont give you the opposing lanes ticket only what you run) I havent messed with a turbo TA for a Buick for 10 years now (that too will change soon) but I can tell you that they respond to any tweaking and mods 10-1 better than the Sy's. Im not pissing on Sy's hell I have one but I think the buick is a LOT stronger competition at the track. On the street, sure sy all the way. Get on the track with a good running buick on slicks and a good running sy. I will bet on the buick. The sy just looses its advantage at the strip. All the little truck has for its advantage is a good 60' and a mediocer 1/8 mile. You put the competition on the track and with some good slicks and all of a sudden they have the MPH and the 60'
Again Im "NOT!" ripping on a sy just saying 1) they loose the advantage on the strip when racing others with slicks 2)Im an utter dumbass and have ran 13.4's on a lightly moded 3.8 add some brains to the mix and you may have something. 3) I wont argue about the lightnings I agree they do suck. You have me there.
Again Im "NOT!" ripping on a sy just saying 1) they loose the advantage on the strip when racing others with slicks 2)Im an utter dumbass and have ran 13.4's on a lightly moded 3.8 add some brains to the mix and you may have something. 3) I wont argue about the lightnings I agree they do suck. You have me there.
dR. jEckLe
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TookyCat said:
Tooky if you are really going to sit there and tell me that sy/ty's are eaiser and cheaper to get fast than TR's than you are the idiot that everybody has made you out to be. Get someone respected on this site to back you up with that. First of all we are talking about from a roll and if you are going to tell me that your sy is as fast from a roll as it is from a stop you have been able to accomplish something that other owners cant. I have had a TY and now have a TR so I can tell you personally. Have you ever owned a TR? Thank you. Second if you think that TR's are mid 14 second cars again your and idiot. Go to turbobuick.com and look at peoples signatures a 13.3 is a ok start i am going to the track with my TR and if i dont run a 12.9 i did something wrong. i love sy/ty's but you are making thme look bad and if you think a 13.3 is something to be bragging about you need to get out to the track more. then you have the balls to compare a TR to a lightning?? Oh you ran a 13.2 WOW!! How long is that motor going to last? Go look at all the stock internal 10 sec TRs on TB.com. I am in no way saing one is better than the other they both shine in their own way but when you say that they are mid 14 second cars and high 13's IF THEY ARE VERY LUCKY!!!! then compare them to lightnings you just look like an ass. Just because YOU havent seen any fast TR's dosnt mean that they dont exist. i cant believe I used to defend you! You are comparing your cheaply modded Sy to a Car that is renowned for being fast cheaply.
Tooky
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Dr. Jeckle you have got me all wrong. I wasn't saying anything about modifying them. I know the TRs are way faster modified and way easier and more bang for the buck, and everything. I was just saying what they run stock, like "factory stock" or whatever you want to say, to mean that there are no mods or no mods over $5.
Where did I say that SyTys are easier and cheaper to get fast than TRs? I would like to see it, because I know I would not make such a statement. I was just arguing against the way some people made it sound like the TRs and Lightnings ran 12.9 if you drove them right from the showroom to the dragstrip. I have PERSONALLY talked to a handful of people owning Lightnings and TR/GNs who said they ran 14s when they were stock. What do you have to say about that? Do you think they were all lying? Maybe the problem is our definition of factory stock. You throw slicks on either the Lightnings or the TR/GNs and they sure as hell won't be in the 14s anymore but that is not the STREET CAR they were sold as. So maybe our problem is just of the definitions.
Jeckle if you think my 13.2 is shit, then tell me how fast you went on the stock chip and boost and stock turbo in your SyTy?
Anyways, I stand by my statement. "I have heard of bone, factory stock TRs run mid 14s." That is a fact because I did talk to owners who told me this personally. I also stand by my other statement "I just don't believe this bullshit that they run 12.9 right outta the box". If you turn up the boost and put in race gas, and add slicks, then 12.9 yes at the track. But that's a big difference from what I'm talking about. Sorry for any confusion.
Where did I say that SyTys are easier and cheaper to get fast than TRs? I would like to see it, because I know I would not make such a statement. I was just arguing against the way some people made it sound like the TRs and Lightnings ran 12.9 if you drove them right from the showroom to the dragstrip. I have PERSONALLY talked to a handful of people owning Lightnings and TR/GNs who said they ran 14s when they were stock. What do you have to say about that? Do you think they were all lying? Maybe the problem is our definition of factory stock. You throw slicks on either the Lightnings or the TR/GNs and they sure as hell won't be in the 14s anymore but that is not the STREET CAR they were sold as. So maybe our problem is just of the definitions.
Jeckle if you think my 13.2 is shit, then tell me how fast you went on the stock chip and boost and stock turbo in your SyTy?
Anyways, I stand by my statement. "I have heard of bone, factory stock TRs run mid 14s." That is a fact because I did talk to owners who told me this personally. I also stand by my other statement "I just don't believe this bullshit that they run 12.9 right outta the box". If you turn up the boost and put in race gas, and add slicks, then 12.9 yes at the track. But that's a big difference from what I'm talking about. Sorry for any confusion.
dR. jEckLe
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Last time I checked a thermostat, air filter and 3" exhaust is not stock and i dont think it meets your under $5.00 mods. I have heard and seen sy/tys running 15's does this mean that most stock sy/tys run 15's? And why you are bringing lightnings into the conversation I dont know? A 13.2 is quick but you hold it up like its something that hasnt ever been accomplished. Daron is running 12.4's so that might be something to shoot for. A 13.2 is about stock ls1 territory and slower if you put intake and 3"exhaust on a ls1 like you have your sy. Ill be going to the track in the beggining of june and Ill send you my slip :lol:
Tooky
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Ok how much slower do you think I will go without the thermostat, air filter and 3" exhaust? I don't really think it makes much difference, I just list those mods to be honest about what I have.
Even the magazines rated the TRs in line with what I am saying. The fastest TR ever, the GNX, was only rated at something like 13.4, same as the Turbo Trans Am.
Daron has a chip (heavy chip tuning I might add) and race gas and higher boost. That's a monster advantage over me. Tell ya what, I'll send him my stock chip and we'll see how it goes. I would still expect him to run faster given his additional modifications.
I never said my 13.2 was never accomplished before, but you were talking like it is a joke and I should be embarrassed to even mention it. ("Oh you ran a 13.2 WOW!!")
Even the magazines rated the TRs in line with what I am saying. The fastest TR ever, the GNX, was only rated at something like 13.4, same as the Turbo Trans Am.
Daron has a chip (heavy chip tuning I might add) and race gas and higher boost. That's a monster advantage over me. Tell ya what, I'll send him my stock chip and we'll see how it goes. I would still expect him to run faster given his additional modifications.
I never said my 13.2 was never accomplished before, but you were talking like it is a joke and I should be embarrassed to even mention it. ("Oh you ran a 13.2 WOW!!")
Pittman
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I hate to get into this. If you are refering to the R&D or C&D road test be leary of the article. On one of the test they put 4 people in the car and ran a really good number I cant remember what it was and really dont want to get in the attic and search for the article. They did it just to be an ass and show the buick off for what it was, a big 2 door, Vette stomping, family sedan :lol: .................That I wack to every night!!