Satchell Link

sytyguy

Moderated User
Has anyone considered the use of a Satchell Link setup (or any type of angled arm or triangulated 4 link setup) for the rear suspension on our trucks? The more I look at it, the more I want to attempt it.

For those who are unfamiliar with a Satchell link, it's a variation of a four link where two of the links point inward towards the center of the car (usually at a 20-45 deg angle and mounting to a point ahead of the lateral center of the rear mounting points) instead of running parallel (longitudinally) with the other two links. This setup is more ideal for handling since it provides an "infinite" possibility of flexibility (due to arm placement), is more compact than the Hotchkiss suspension, can accomodate roll understeer and anti-squat, and requires no laternal axle location device (such as panhard rod or Watt's link).

It also doesn't suffer the same level of cornering bind that a 4 link does (4 link is limited geometrically as the bars must remain parallel) and gives the ability to tune in neutral roll steer if desired. Additionally, it should be "kinematically free" and not require weird axle movements (think Mustangs).

I plan to get the truck in the air this weekend and take some measurements, but the setup (aside from the lower two links) will be akin to the 4 links already out there. Why the hassle? I'd like to optimize the truck for autocross while retaining the live rear axle. There just aren't any other options that have fewer drawbacks than this design (that I've found thus far).

One question, due to the lower arms (the angled ones) and their mounting points having to deal with some bending force as well as pure tension/compression forces, what size bar should I use to ensure enough strength there (for reliability and rigidity in maintaining geometry)? There's a guy out there using 1" x .156 wall D.O.M. tubing on his Satchell Link setup Jaguar with good results.

TIA

Hood
 

turbodog

Donating Member
Re: Satchell Link

I saw a neat bolt-in kit, where the connection point to the top of the pumpkin is accomplished with a circular plate that is sandwiched in between the diff cover and diff housing. I found a suspension geometry calculation program online and played with frame mounting point variations. It looks do-able. One problem is that my ATR exhaust runs right where the pass. side top link needs to go. If someone could fab up one with a curve in it to clear the exhaust, it might just work. If interested, I'll dig up links to the kit and the geometry calculator. I talked to folks on other s-truck forums about the durability of this kind of kit. They mostly felt that if it will stand up to 'hopping', it should stand up to boost launches.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: Satchell Link

Hood,

I think you need to make a trip up my way sometime. I can show you the new chip stuff, and well........1 or 2 trucks with exactly what you mentioned.......
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Satchell Link

JS Manufacturing said:
Hood,

I think you need to make a trip up my way sometime. I can show you the new chip stuff, and well........1 or 2 trucks with exactly what you mentioned.......

Yee-ha! You sumbitch pile of monkey nuts, you got a PM a comin'!

Hood
 

HighPerformanceTrucks

Lift & Shift Specialist
Re: Satchell Link

I had considered this before going forward with the 3 link, but we challenge was getting the diagonal links sufficiently stiff laterally. I've been autoxing the 3 link/ panhard bar design w/o any issues.
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Satchell Link

Adam....I'll PM you, but do you have any pics of your 3 link setup? I need to get with you on some general AutoX stuff.

Hood
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Satchell Link

Thanks Adam.....I'll browse those over and shoot you a PM tonight.

Thanks a bunch!

Hood
 

SBNova

New member
Re: Satchell Link

Isnt this very similiar to the early Chevelle/GTO/Skylark rear? They have parallel lower arms and angled uppers though. If you chose that route Im sure you could get an off the shelf rear end housing, and make brackets to support the upgraded trailing arms already available to them. I know those cars are wider than a SyTy, but they are commonly narrowed too. Also check stock car aftermarket suppliers. They have an unbelievable selection of suspension parts that are durable and cheap.
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: Satchell Link

SBNova said:
Isnt this very similiar to the early Chevelle/GTO/Skylark rear? They have parallel lower arms and angled uppers though. If you chose that route Im sure you could get an off the shelf rear end housing, and make brackets to support the upgraded trailing arms already available to them. I know those cars are wider than a SyTy, but they are commonly narrowed too. Also check stock car aftermarket suppliers. They have an unbelievable selection of suspension parts that are durable and cheap.

The downside to having the angled arms above the rear axle is that you raise the RCH (roll center height) which isn't a good thing. This is what I was thinking of doing (this is on an old Jag C-Type, so ignore the rest of the other equipment):

http://www.georgiasyty.com/42/bracket.jpg
http://www.georgiasyty.com/42/satchell.jpg

It would be easy enough to weld a crossmember up for the front attachments, and make a siamesed bracket that could be welded onto the axle tube (out at the wheel) and provide rear mounting points for the links and the shocks (on the backside). Just like in the first pic, above.

Hood
 

schavez

New member
Re: Satchell Link

Those kits say they don't work with Blazer, does that mean that it doesn't work with a Typhoon?
 

schavez

New member
Re: Satchell Link

I just got an email from the Suicidedoors and they say they don't have anything that will work with the Typhoon.
 
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