selling or buying these rare trucks
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The stock turbo on a buick *can* get into the 11"s just like the stock turbo on a Sy *can*. The real difference between modifying the two I notice is a $100 phone order chip can get a buick into the 10's with all the supporting mods. A Sy needs a emulator,Tuner pro, thingamabobgenator, and who knows what else(maybe not that bad, but it seems like it to me
)Otherwise it seems like the same things apply to each.
Ross
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The stock turbo on a buick *can* get into the 11"s just like the stock turbo on a Sy *can*. The real difference between modifying the two I notice is a $100 phone order chip can get a buick into the 10's with all the supporting mods. A Sy needs a emulator,Tuner pro, thingamabobgenator, and who knows what else(maybe not that bad, but it seems like it to me
)Otherwise it seems like the same things apply to each. Ross
TurboDonnie
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Hey guys, yes I'm new here but a veteran of boost.
I just sold my 87 GN a few months back that I had owned for nearly 10 years ( or should I say owned me ) When I got it it was as stock as you could get, it had a red stripe converter and FMIC and chip. Just with those additions and slicks the car ran 12.28 ( stock turbo too ), I forget the mph but was like 106 or therebouts. As the new owner of a 1992 Typhoon, #0449, it is about as stock as it gets. It has a Johnson IC pump, upgraded rear bar with lowering springs, bilstien(sp) shocks all around, not sure about the chip ( said it was updated stock chip ) anyway. My Typhoon wouldn't stand a chance against my old GN ( in the set up I bought my GN in ) at the track, on the street the Ty would get it off the line just because of the AWD but once traction came back the GN would be gone. Now, I'm really impressed with my Typhoon and I LOVE IT but I said all of that to say this: I can take a BONE stock GN drop $500 in the right parts ( sticky tires not included in the amount ) go to the track and run mid 12's all day long, for $1,500 I can put the GN in the 11's. I don't think I could get the same bang for the buck with the Typhoon, I hope I'm wrong though cause it would be sweet to have an 11 sec Typhoon. Anyway, I'm glad to be here as a proud new Typhoon owner :tup:
Well, lets make this the first post
Hey guys, yes I'm new here but a veteran of boost.
I just sold my 87 GN a few months back that I had owned for nearly 10 years ( or should I say owned me
) When I got it it was as stock as you could get, it had a red stripe converter and FMIC and chip. Just with those additions and slicks the car ran 12.28 ( stock turbo too ), I forget the mph but was like 106 or therebouts. As the new owner of a 1992 Typhoon, #0449, it is about as stock as it gets. It has a Johnson IC pump, upgraded rear bar with lowering springs, bilstien(sp) shocks all around, not sure about the chip ( said it was updated stock chip ) anyway. My Typhoon wouldn't stand a chance against my old GN ( in the set up I bought my GN in ) at the track, on the street the Ty would get it off the line just because of the AWD but once traction came back the GN would be gone. Now, I'm really impressed with my Typhoon and I LOVE IT but I said all of that to say this: I can take a BONE stock GN drop $500 in the right parts ( sticky tires not included in the amount ) go to the track and run mid 12's all day long, for $1,500 I can put the GN in the 11's. I don't think I could get the same bang for the buck with the Typhoon, I hope I'm wrong though cause it would be sweet to have an 11 sec Typhoon. Anyway, I'm glad to be here as a proud new Typhoon owner :tup:
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
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Turbo Buick Turbo are a little bigger than SyTy's but they sure aren't PTE52's, PTE44 are still an upgrade for them as well.
Turbo Buicks are easier to tune than SyTy's, as mention above mail order chip work great. As for being faster with $1000 or $3000 it depends on what stipulations you put in their. If its on Street tires, SyTy have the edge when tuned properly, if you can include Drag Radials Turbo Buicks have the edge. If you have want something reliably and consistently run fast numbers and you have to include transmission rebuild, buicks have the edge. Ultimately Turbo Buick are faster with a prepped track and sticky tires, and have gone a lot faster than Robert 8.98 1/4 mile time.
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Tytime4226 said:
Turbo Buick Turbo are a little bigger than SyTy's but they sure aren't PTE52's, PTE44 are still an upgrade for them as well.
Turbo Buicks are easier to tune than SyTy's, as mention above mail order chip work great. As for being faster with $1000 or $3000 it depends on what stipulations you put in their. If its on Street tires, SyTy have the edge when tuned properly, if you can include Drag Radials Turbo Buicks have the edge. If you have want something reliably and consistently run fast numbers and you have to include transmission rebuild, buicks have the edge. Ultimately Turbo Buick are faster with a prepped track and sticky tires, and have gone a lot faster than Robert 8.98 1/4 mile time.
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
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Wade's (93 Ty # 2185) has run 12.6 on a stock turbo'd Ty with not a ton of mods (Alky, ectrernal wastegate, exhuast, 3 batr chip, and few other supporting mods.) 11's can be done with a bigger turbo and good tune, however its going to need the transmission beefied up with atleast a $2K+ transmission not including a Torque Converter or $5-6K 4L80E.
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TurboDonnie said:Hey guys, yes I'm new here but a veteran of boost.
I just sold my 87 GN a few months back that I had owned for nearly 10 years ( or should I say owned me
Wade's (93 Ty # 2185) has run 12.6 on a stock turbo'd Ty with not a ton of mods (Alky, ectrernal wastegate, exhuast, 3 batr chip, and few other supporting mods.) 11's can be done with a bigger turbo and good tune, however its going to need the transmission beefied up with atleast a $2K+ transmission not including a Torque Converter or $5-6K 4L80E.
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is the difference between the buick and typhoon being one uses a mass air flow and the gmc uses a manifold pressure to achieve performance settings. is the MAF is an easier beast to tame.
thx turbodonnie for the seat of the pants comparison. seems the compromise is guggling -turbos, transmissions, and the air pressure ( tune ).
hi-po typhoon guys end up going air to air which the buick has stock. perhaps the weakness of the typoon is the water intercooler in stock set-ups.
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is the difference between the buick and typhoon being one uses a mass air flow and the gmc uses a manifold pressure to achieve performance settings. is the MAF is an easier beast to tame.
thx turbodonnie for the seat of the pants comparison. seems the compromise is guggling -turbos, transmissions, and the air pressure ( tune ).
hi-po typhoon guys end up going air to air which the buick has stock. perhaps the weakness of the typoon is the water intercooler in stock set-ups.
T-Bone
Active member
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Ah, there you are wrong.....the owners manual packet is different, the center console is different, the seats are different, the guage cluster is different, the overhead console is different, the wheels are different, etc. You might want to get smart on these rare trucks to subside a increase to your public ignorance level.
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canuck said:
Ah, there you are wrong.....the owners manual packet is different, the center console is different, the seats are different, the guage cluster is different, the overhead console is different, the wheels are different, etc. You might want to get smart on these rare trucks to subside a increase to your public ignorance level.
TurboDonnie
Member
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Yeah, the tranny is an issue with the Gn's too. Thanks for heads up on Wade's set up. Are there any " reciepes ' or " been there done that " proven build ups listed anywhere?
For Canuck: The GN is MAF based, but there are products out there you can get to run speed density and eliminate the maf. As far as the seat of the pants, the Ty is really close, to what my GN was close to stock but as far as power goes keep in mind that the Ty is quite a bit heavier than the GN and has to pull more lb's around than the GN. With that in mind, to me, it's really even more impressive how the Ty pulls and accelerates considering it's heftyness.
Donnie
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dgoodhue said:
Yeah, the tranny is an issue with the Gn's too. Thanks for heads up on Wade's set up. Are there any " reciepes ' or " been there done that " proven build ups listed anywhere?
For Canuck: The GN is MAF based, but there are products out there you can get to run speed density and eliminate the maf. As far as the seat of the pants, the Ty is really close, to what my GN was close to stock but as far as power goes keep in mind that the Ty is quite a bit heavier than the GN and has to pull more lb's around than the GN. With that in mind, to me, it's really even more impressive how the Ty pulls and accelerates considering it's heftyness.
Donnie
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thats why i ask. wasnt making a statement. concerning parts just want to know what lm up against. i guess my wording is offensive to the insecure. my comments are about the truck, its funny how it becomes personnel for the 3rd time.
engine
drivetrain
wheels
cladding
interior
thx for the insight. just trying to get a grasp of the scene as costs can quickly escalate on a collector vehicle. i know if you ask for a buick regal part they start charging grand national prices. not sure if im going stock or modded, just want a summer driver.
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T-Bone said:
thats why i ask. wasnt making a statement. concerning parts just want to know what lm up against. i guess my wording is offensive to the insecure. my comments are about the truck, its funny how it becomes personnel for the 3rd time.
engine
drivetrain
wheels
cladding
interior
thx for the insight. just trying to get a grasp of the scene as costs can quickly escalate on a collector vehicle. i know if you ask for a buick regal part they start charging grand national prices. not sure if im going stock or modded, just want a summer driver.
Daron
Active member
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Its not the "insecure" you are offending; its the knowledgeable folks that find your comments/statements a bit retarded. If you want to have a productive discussion about SyTy valuations try to improve your sentence structure so we can actually tell the difference between when you are making a statement vs when you are asking a question. For instance, If you want to ask a question use a "question mark" in your sentence to let us all know what you are after. Don't be surprised if your communication is mis-read. You are not helping by the way you type.
Also don't be surprised when we take exception to some newbie who comes on here crying about how much people are asking for these "not rare trucks... "
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canuck said:
Its not the "insecure" you are offending; its the knowledgeable folks that find your comments/statements a bit retarded. If you want to have a productive discussion about SyTy valuations try to improve your sentence structure so we can actually tell the difference between when you are making a statement vs when you are asking a question. For instance, If you want to ask a question use a "question mark" in your sentence to let us all know what you are after. Don't be surprised if your communication is mis-read. You are not helping by the way you type.
Also don't be surprised when we take exception to some newbie who comes on here crying about how much people are asking for these "not rare trucks... "
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and stock GN vs stock Sy, the Sy takes it....... (where's the flamethrower smilie). It's easier to think of the sheet metal as being the only carry over part(I'm sure there are others) from regular regals and s15's. Easier than trying to list everything thats different. I love them both!
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and stock GN vs stock Sy, the Sy takes it....... (where's the flamethrower smilie). It's easier to think of the sheet metal as being the only carry over part(I'm sure there are others) from regular regals and s15's. Easier than trying to list everything thats different. I love them both!
poorboy93
Veteran S10 Owner
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After 8 years of bieng a Typhoon owner, and adding a second one to my garage, (both unmolested originals) I can tell you that they are rare trucks. I've never seen another Ty in my area with the exception of two college students visiting (There's 3 colleges in my town) two local farm town Ty's that are soo trashed out I shouldn't even mention them, and a Sy that someone bought w/ the sole purpose of thinking I'd buy it for thier marked up price. The owner I purchased my 1st Ty from told me he had 20 people "fighting" over my truck and that his Dr. friend sold his for 40K. I've had people call me from 900+ miles away asking to sale because "trucks in your condition are too hard to find". I've never had that happen w/ any of the 13 Jimmys/S10 Blazers I've owned. And I think it says something for these trucks when I pull up in a new TBSS and all they say is "Wheres the TY? or it's sitting next to it at a car show and all they'll interested in is the Ty. Hell, it even beats the SS at a stoplight! and it's 400hp! No offense, I think you should find something else to park next to your "winter beater" T-type until you can learn more about these trucks.
After 8 years of bieng a Typhoon owner, and adding a second one to my garage, (both unmolested originals) I can tell you that they are rare trucks. I've never seen another Ty in my area with the exception of two college students visiting (There's 3 colleges in my town) two local farm town Ty's that are soo trashed out I shouldn't even mention them, and a Sy that someone bought w/ the sole purpose of thinking I'd buy it for thier marked up price. The owner I purchased my 1st Ty from told me he had 20 people "fighting" over my truck and that his Dr. friend sold his for 40K. I've had people call me from 900+ miles away asking to sale because "trucks in your condition are too hard to find". I've never had that happen w/ any of the 13 Jimmys/S10 Blazers I've owned. And I think it says something for these trucks when I pull up in a new TBSS and all they say is "Wheres the TY? or it's sitting next to it at a car show and all they'll interested in is the Ty. Hell, it even beats the SS at a stoplight! and it's 400hp! No offense, I think you should find something else to park next to your "winter beater" T-type until you can learn more about these trucks.
TYTILIDIE
METH HEAD
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Whats with all the new guys these days? Sucks when the good guys sell out and were left with this kind of stuff to deal with. Heres my experience with GN's. When my truck was stock, I raced one with a PTE44 and he only had me by a car length. Yes I knwo he still ahd me but he was modded and I was stock. On the street, at a light anyway, Ild say they really dont stand much of a chance to a well tuned SYTY. On the track with DR's and being mainly stock, Ive seen them run about a 13.8. The guy I raced we raced a full 1/4 measured out with a measuring wheel and we went the whole distance. Im sure GN's are faster per say but if thats the case then why are you bothering to even come around the board with your thoughts? Why not bother the GN boards and slam us there?
Whats with all the new guys these days? Sucks when the good guys sell out and were left with this kind of stuff to deal with. Heres my experience with GN's. When my truck was stock, I raced one with a PTE44 and he only had me by a car length. Yes I knwo he still ahd me but he was modded and I was stock. On the street, at a light anyway, Ild say they really dont stand much of a chance to a well tuned SYTY. On the track with DR's and being mainly stock, Ive seen them run about a 13.8. The guy I raced we raced a full 1/4 measured out with a measuring wheel and we went the whole distance. Im sure GN's are faster per say but if thats the case then why are you bothering to even come around the board with your thoughts? Why not bother the GN boards and slam us there?
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
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Ok ok. Wanna know the main difference beteween a SyTy and a T-Type / GN...... One is a car, one is a truck, about 800 lbs. (?) and bone stock to bone stock the SyTy's have the edge on the street.
Now the things that are simular....... both are quick and will make the average guy that knows what they are, driving much of anything else piss his pants if one pulls up next to him on the street (SyTy's have the edge remember!). Both can be modded monsters or nightmares for not a terrible lot of money, either will go 11's fairly easy. Both break shit on a regular basis if not "loved" and or leaned on to hard and each have their own relibility issues. Parts are not cheap for either one (anyone tried pricing a moderate to full on restore on a GN that needs more than paint job lately?). Both have sold at BJ, both are "LIMITED PRODUCTION" vehicles and both WILL be worth more money as time goes on / be harder to find "good clean ones" little less "MINT"
Think what you want, buy what you want, spend what you want but both are what they are..... SyTy's are nothing more than a heavily special optioned S-10 and Jimm'y just as GN's are nothing more than heavily optioned Regal's....... If that's the way you want to look at it fine with me.
I remember when every third or forth car was an SS whatever / Firebird / GTO / 455 TA / or Challanger /Cuda / Roadruner / Charger / GTX or Mach 1 / Pony vert / Cyclone / GTA /, look where those are and most all were produced for more than one year like the sy (two for the Ty) and in far greater numbers over the production years. I mean hell, my Hemi GTX is just a heavily optioned Belvedere.... right?
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James
Ok ok. Wanna know the main difference beteween a SyTy and a T-Type / GN...... One is a car, one is a truck, about 800 lbs. (?) and bone stock to bone stock the SyTy's have the edge on the street.
Now the things that are simular....... both are quick and will make the average guy that knows what they are, driving much of anything else piss his pants if one pulls up next to him on the street (SyTy's have the edge remember!). Both can be modded monsters or nightmares for not a terrible lot of money, either will go 11's fairly easy. Both break shit on a regular basis if not "loved" and or leaned on to hard and each have their own relibility issues. Parts are not cheap for either one (anyone tried pricing a moderate to full on restore on a GN that needs more than paint job lately?). Both have sold at BJ, both are "LIMITED PRODUCTION" vehicles and both WILL be worth more money as time goes on / be harder to find "good clean ones" little less "MINT"
Think what you want, buy what you want, spend what you want but both are what they are..... SyTy's are nothing more than a heavily special optioned S-10 and Jimm'y just as GN's are nothing more than heavily optioned Regal's....... If that's the way you want to look at it fine with me.
I remember when every third or forth car was an SS whatever / Firebird / GTO / 455 TA / or Challanger /Cuda / Roadruner / Charger / GTX or Mach 1 / Pony vert / Cyclone / GTA /, look where those are and most all were produced for more than one year like the sy (two for the Ty) and in far greater numbers over the production years. I mean hell, my Hemi GTX is just a heavily optioned Belvedere.... right?
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James
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T-Bone
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"funny"........"personal for the 3rd time". That alone should be an indicator to you where the problem lies. No issue with people asking sensible questions and making mature comments but reading all your input, I get the feeling you stopped by here to stir up crap. If you want a NON-rare truck you can better afford, buy a Jimmy 4x4 OR a Sonoma pick-up. When you accumulate the proper funds and can afford all the challenges that accompany either owning a rare work of art OR going fast, buy a Syclone / Typhoon. At this point, I would say lay back on the purchase because it is somewhat obvious you can't afford one yet :tup:
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canuck said:
"funny"........"personal for the 3rd time". That alone should be an indicator to you where the problem lies. No issue with people asking sensible questions and making mature comments but reading all your input, I get the feeling you stopped by here to stir up crap. If you want a NON-rare truck you can better afford, buy a Jimmy 4x4 OR a Sonoma pick-up. When you accumulate the proper funds and can afford all the challenges that accompany either owning a rare work of art OR going fast, buy a Syclone / Typhoon. At this point, I would say lay back on the purchase because it is somewhat obvious you can't afford one yet :tup: