Stand Alone

[RealFastV6]

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How many people have actually made a significant number of 10 second passes with a stock ECU?

I would like to know where in code59 the software is limited to where you dont think its capible of doing anything you want it to (Besides multiple stages of nitrous or 2/3 steps)

I didn't make any judgements.

I just asked who has done it in the real world, not just talked about how capable it was on a forum?

 

[BMFB]

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thats fine, I thought maybe you had some insight onto its limitations. I've only seen 11's, but I have a pretty mild build on the typhoon

 

[0966Sy]

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Add up how much it costs to run code59, you approach the 1500 mark quickly. So why not spend 500 more for state off the art vs a wheel reinvention that is not proven past 11's

 

[BMFB]

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I bought a moates cable, ostrich, and piggy back for under 350. The wideband and gauge was another 200

 

[bezerk]

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I didn't make any judgements.

I just asked who has done it in the real world, not just talked about how capable it was on a forum?

i dont know. but i ran 12.7 with my overweight Ty on 12psi on pump gas, it was untuned stock ECM and a chip that i threw at it.

i ran 11.3 with 1.8 ft or something on my stock ECM syclone, should have been an easy 10 sec run with traction
this was on code 58 btw, not code 59

 

[bezerk]

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this was on 22 psi btw, and have not seen any limits on the stock ECM

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Code59 wont cost you $1500. I believe Phil Long went 10.xx with the stock ECM. No one that I know of however has been in the 10's on code59. It might be me soon though, fingers crossed.

Only reason, why anyone should consider stand alone is the fact that 59 isn't really that reliable. This is my opinion formed from tuning several trucks including my own. I find that there are a lot of inconsistencies in it. Of course I have never had the pleasure of playing with stand alones but I am sure they are likely to not be twitchy like the stock ECM. FWIW, I found the same inconsistencies in 58, I personally think it is either the code or the ECM itself.

On a lighter note, you can get a pretty decent tune out of 59 if you work for it just like anything else. You will also find people that don't have those inconsistent running issues that others have so there must be some fix but I have yet to hear it or discover it. I know I am not alone though.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Code59 might be great for the person that has the time to learn it and do the needed trial and error with the tune and there truck but it's not something an actual tuner will touch. You won't be able to take it to any speed shop of choice to get help with fine tuning your truck. Tuners Generally will only work with what they know which 10 out of 10 times will be a few certain types of stand alones.

 

[bjeeper04]

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Is the topic of not knowing my cam size an issue, or am I just worrying too much? The reliability was another concern. I just want my truck running strong, consistent, and to be safe. I also have a friend who has the moates and code 59, and it seems like he can never get it to where he wants it to be. As far as goals go, I would feel comfortable with my truck being in the 12's, hell 11's would be bad ass, but I want to stay away from having to mod my transmission too much. My only thing is that I want to slaughter the majority of WRX's and EVO's. I think that is a good goal

 

[wildphil]

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How many people have actually made a significant number of 10 second passes with a stock ECU?

How many people have made a significant number of 10 second passes with any ECU in our trucks? Not very many.

 

[qbnkiller]

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I think the better way to pose your question wilphil is 'of the trucks that have gone 10's or faster, how many are on stock ECM and how many are aftermarket?'. While Code 59 does offer more resolution in a few tables, it cannot come close to what a good aftermarket ECM can do - especially in the right hands.

 

[wildphil]

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I think the better way to pose your question wilphil is 'of the trucks that have gone 10's or faster, how many are on stock ECM and how many are aftermarket?'. While Code 59 does offer more resolution in a few tables, it cannot come close to what a good aftermarket ECM can do - especially in the right hands.

I was just stating that there are not that many of our trucks that will ever run 10's at the track.

Sure I know a stand alone ECM is more user friendly and that you are able to do more with it.

Code59 cost around $600. It will do more in tuning than probably 95% of the members here will ever need. It is a good value for members that have mods. It will give you a good tune.

For you guys that are very serious about 10's or 9's the stand alone is the way to go for sure. I would have one on my truck if I wasn't so cheap.

 

[bjeeper04]

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I think I am going to go with the stand alone. I know its a lot more than the code 59, but I feel as though I will get the best tune for my truck. I'll let you guys know how it turns out as well as numbers from the dyno. You guys have been very informative. Thanks

 

[midnightbluS10]

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Add up how much it costs to run code59, you approach the 1500 mark quickly. So why not spend 500 more for state off the art vs a wheel reinvention that is not proven past 11's

TwinTurboV8Ty used code 59 to run his TTV8 Ty.

 

[RealFastV6]

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So just to be clear...

1 Person may have gone 10s on a stock Code 58 749 ECU.
0 Persons have gone 10s on Code59 749 ECU.

Is that the tally?

 

[syclone3]

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I for sure would never suggest an AEM. Not even the newer boxes and software. Ironic on the Pro-Efi as the guy who originally brought it to the US then sold it to AEM and worked there before venturing back out on his own and bringing the newest version of the Pro-Efi back to market. BS3 would suggest if thats your budget. Still can't beat the stock ECU an emulator and chip burner, throw in a wideband. Unless you have the most radical setup on the street. Can't see the stock system not being able to handle it all.

 

[bjeeper04]

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My issues lie in the factors of my poor computer/tuning knowledge as well as I don't know what cam is in my truck. I guess I could go the code 59 route and if the truck doesn't run how I like, I can just sell it, then go stand alone. The reason I say with AEM is because my buddy who would tune my truck knows that system extremely well. He has had a lot of success with it on his race cars (twin turbo'd NSX and a wicked S2000) . I also live in Utah, their isn't a lot of guys out here who tune GMs, so this would be the guy to go to out here.

 

[midnightbluS10]

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http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80224

A list from 2010

Syclone | Typhoon | Sonoma GT Code59

V6 Class 1/4 Mile:
mjaugus - 11.80@113
turbodig - 11.84@112
vettandtyphoon - 11.89 @ 115
sytyguy - 11.92 @ 114
Big Mike - 12.126 @ 112.20 | 12.187 @ 116.50
Six-is-Enough - 12.2's @ 106
BMFB - 12.42 @ 99
SYO237 - 13.7 @
ziembic - 15.9 at 90

V6 Class 1/8 Mile:
Syclone0565 - 6.94 @ 100.3
sy#2716 - 7.1 @ 101
HARMON - 7.2 @ 98 mph w/80E
sytyguy - 7.35 @ 96
HARMON - 7.7 @ 95 w/700
mmvic - 7.8 @
Six-is-Enough - 7.82 @ 88

V8 Class 1/4 Mile:
TwinTurboV8Ty - 11.15 @ 118

Other Code59 Times

1/4 Mile:

 

[MadMike]

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I think the tuning sticky explains the Code59 well enough that any real tuner shop could understand and be able to do a tune. But most likely if they are good,not great, they are too busy and don't have the knowledge/patients to expand past the the systems they are comfortable. A great shop, we'll say actually good, would do it bc they are competent enough in their tuning skills to pick it up. Thats because I bet they would charge more for either the time and/or the added aggrivation.

If I was building super modded truck like $40-$80k in up I would gut the wiring and be running a Motec or cheaper like a BS3.

My MS2 is on a T'd LB4 S10 in my sig.... I can get crazy on that and not feel bad about chopping a SYTY.

I dont see gutting, or really hacking up, the factory wiring on a collector truck a good idea. Actually its pretty weak on my street cred meter.

If you want to have a SYTY have a good one, dont butcher it. Just get youself a regular S truck and put a V8 in it.

 

[e95 Ty]

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My issues lie in the factors of my poor computer/tuning knowledge as well as I don't know what cam is in my truck. I guess I could go the code 59 route and if the truck doesn't run how I like, I can just sell it, then go stand alone. The reason I say with AEM is because my buddy who would tune my truck knows that system extremely well. He has had a lot of success with it on his race cars (twin turbo'd NSX and a wicked S2000) . I also live in Utah, their isn't a lot of guys out here who tune GMs, so this would be the guy to go to out here.

There are quite a few tuners that do BS3 tuning via email, and probably stock ecu as well. A few venders on here have startup tunes to get you going and then move on from there. It can be a little time consuming, but can be done without a prob. Hope this helps.