stright Alki.?
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The Devils Own Chariot
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That would be as silly as converting to 100% E85.
That would be as silly as converting to 100% E85.
KGB Pilot125
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Silly why? I just bought all new fuel stuff for my DSM to run on E85. Should be real handy now that the cold weather is going to be moving in here in denver soon.
Silly why? I just bought all new fuel stuff for my DSM to run on E85. Should be real handy now that the cold weather is going to be moving in here in denver soon.
cloneman315
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isnt erue running full e85?
isnt erue running full e85?
The Devils Own Chariot
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Whats the advantage? It has less BTUs than gas and you have to use more of it. There is really no cost savings. Let me know if Im all wet. I have looked into it and I cant really make much sense of it.
Whats wrong with cold weather? You pick up like 20 to 30 hp in a turbo car on a cold night.:silly:
Whats the advantage? It has less BTUs than gas and you have to use more of it. There is really no cost savings. Let me know if Im all wet. I have looked into it and I cant really make much sense of it.
Whats wrong with cold weather? You pick up like 20 to 30 hp in a turbo car on a cold night.:silly:
KGB Pilot125
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Your right on the money for a daily driver, but for a weekend warrior turbo car its great, NO KNOCK, race gas like timing and boost and all for less than regular. According to my math E85 has to be at least 1.50 less than gasoline to make it worth while on a daily driver. other wise your doing nothing but throwing money away and making your milk more expensive. As for the cold weather E85 is sometimes hard to start when its cold out. Some places actually stop carring E85 and carry like E70 or E60 I have been told.
Your right on the money for a daily driver, but for a weekend warrior turbo car its great, NO KNOCK, race gas like timing and boost and all for less than regular. According to my math E85 has to be at least 1.50 less than gasoline to make it worth while on a daily driver. other wise your doing nothing but throwing money away and making your milk more expensive. As for the cold weather E85 is sometimes hard to start when its cold out. Some places actually stop carring E85 and carry like E70 or E60 I have been told.
TYTILIDIE
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I too will be running E85, probably next summer. You dont need alky injection if you do run it. I will have mine set up to where I can run either fuel. Erue was running e85 and he was having pretty good luck with it. I believe he was trying to get 13mpg out of it but the thread died out so I doubt he ever succeeded there. IMO, E85 is a good thing but cost wise not really. I also feel that you can do the smae thing with spraying alky. But with E85, youre not relying on an injection system.
I too will be running E85, probably next summer. You dont need alky injection if you do run it. I will have mine set up to where I can run either fuel. Erue was running e85 and he was having pretty good luck with it. I believe he was trying to get 13mpg out of it but the thread died out so I doubt he ever succeeded there. IMO, E85 is a good thing but cost wise not really. I also feel that you can do the smae thing with spraying alky. But with E85, youre not relying on an injection system.
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You don't ever NEED alky, you just want it. Same goes for E85. You don't really NEED it, but you want it. It does have like 110octane, and is as cheap or cheaper than 87 octane pure dino fuel.
Personally I don't think the infrastructure is in place to run E85 all the time. What happens when you're 200 miles from home and need to fill up with no E85 station in sight. If you have no way of switching your tune back to pump gas then you're essentially stranded. a "flip chip" or similar setup would work fine as a solution for that.
Ultimately I think methanol injection coupled with E85 will produce the best performance for a weekend warrior staying close to home. For a daily driver, or anyone that travels a decent distance it's not ideal at all. Poor infrastructure, and poor mpg's make it a bad choice for a "traveling" fuel.
Just like anything else in engineering, it's all a big compromise.
You don't ever NEED alky, you just want it. Same goes for E85. You don't really NEED it, but you want it. It does have like 110octane, and is as cheap or cheaper than 87 octane pure dino fuel.
Personally I don't think the infrastructure is in place to run E85 all the time. What happens when you're 200 miles from home and need to fill up with no E85 station in sight. If you have no way of switching your tune back to pump gas then you're essentially stranded. a "flip chip" or similar setup would work fine as a solution for that.
Ultimately I think methanol injection coupled with E85 will produce the best performance for a weekend warrior staying close to home. For a daily driver, or anyone that travels a decent distance it's not ideal at all. Poor infrastructure, and poor mpg's make it a bad choice for a "traveling" fuel.
Just like anything else in engineering, it's all a big compromise.
The Devils Own Chariot
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Like I said. I dont really see a huge benfit with E85 over running regular gas as alky injection. If you run out of alky then just stay out of boost. Its that simple.
Im sure you can run 8s with alky injection also. Do you get the same cooling properties with E85 as you do alky? Im not saying its bad or it does not work because it does. I just dont see the reason to go to all that work to run E85. Just my:2cents:
Like I said. I dont really see a huge benfit with E85 over running regular gas as alky injection. If you run out of alky then just stay out of boost. Its that simple.
Im sure you can run 8s with alky injection also. Do you get the same cooling properties with E85 as you do alky? Im not saying its bad or it does not work because it does. I just dont see the reason to go to all that work to run E85. Just my:2cents:
KGB Pilot125
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No need to run alky injection with E85. After talking to some guys that are really goot tuners, Motec, AEM, Big stuff, they said that they have not been able to get E85 to knock at all. and have been consistantly been putting down more hp than with VP import. all for less than regular. Again dont confuse what we would use it for vs using it for a daily driver. As for MPG in a DSM getting near 20-22 is outstanding on E85. FYI a bone stock DSM usually gets around 28-29 and low 30's in a FWD
No need to run alky injection with E85. After talking to some guys that are really goot tuners, Motec, AEM, Big stuff, they said that they have not been able to get E85 to knock at all. and have been consistantly been putting down more hp than with VP import. all for less than regular. Again dont confuse what we would use it for vs using it for a daily driver. As for MPG in a DSM getting near 20-22 is outstanding on E85. FYI a bone stock DSM usually gets around 28-29 and low 30's in a FWD
TYTILIDIE
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I think its good to spend the bucks setting up for it. For one, you would have a very stout fuel system and more than enough for any day running 91 with spraying alky. Other reason I think you cant go wrong is because what IF, gas did take a dump on us and our government did pull their heads out of their asses and and made a e85 our standard fuel. I would hate to be left in the dirt. For tuning of the whole thing, I planned on running the G3 adapter with a 91 only bin, a 91 with alky bin and an e85 bin.
I think its good to spend the bucks setting up for it. For one, you would have a very stout fuel system and more than enough for any day running 91 with spraying alky. Other reason I think you cant go wrong is because what IF, gas did take a dump on us and our government did pull their heads out of their asses and and made a e85 our standard fuel. I would hate to be left in the dirt. For tuning of the whole thing, I planned on running the G3 adapter with a 91 only bin, a 91 with alky bin and an e85 bin.
Six-is-Enough
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At 5 mpg you will be gettin on e85. You better figure out a way to tow a fuel tanker loaded with e85 behind your Twin Turbo V8 gas hogging Typhoon!!!!!
At 5 mpg you will be gettin on e85. You better figure out a way to tow a fuel tanker loaded with e85 behind your Twin Turbo V8 gas hogging Typhoon!!!!!
The Devils Own Chariot
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How much does a E85 conversion cost? Ethenol is corrosive to a lot of rubber components.
I get 0 KR running gas with alky injection...... I also get a dramatic drop in intake temps with it also.
I doubt that if I converted my truck to E85 it would be any faster. If you’re not using E85 for daily use why not just use race gas. You get the same octane and all you really need to do is tune.
The government could not meet the US fuel demands turning strictly to E85. Every acre of every state would have to be corn and in the process of making it we loose energy. Eventually we would drive yourself in the ground because it takes more energy to plow, plant, spray, fertilize, harvest, transport and refine E85 then you get back. There are too many gas consuming vehicles out there for a sudden stop of gasoline all together. It would be billions of dollars in changing our infrastructure.
How much does a E85 conversion cost? Ethenol is corrosive to a lot of rubber components.
I get 0 KR running gas with alky injection...... I also get a dramatic drop in intake temps with it also.
I doubt that if I converted my truck to E85 it would be any faster. If you’re not using E85 for daily use why not just use race gas. You get the same octane and all you really need to do is tune.
The government could not meet the US fuel demands turning strictly to E85. Every acre of every state would have to be corn and in the process of making it we loose energy. Eventually we would drive yourself in the ground because it takes more energy to plow, plant, spray, fertilize, harvest, transport and refine E85 then you get back. There are too many gas consuming vehicles out there for a sudden stop of gasoline all together. It would be billions of dollars in changing our infrastructure.
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The Devils Own Chariot
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Six-is-Enough
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The Devils Own Chariot
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Really? Ok I will admit Im wrong on this one then. But there are plenty of cars that run 8's without E85. Im just trying to understand WHY
Really? Ok I will admit Im wrong on this one then. But there are plenty of cars that run 8's without E85. Im just trying to understand WHY