Talon AWD turbo

[Spinall4]

yep, i know who you are ipkisss.
the stoker motor will be sweet!
2.5" dp, i have an evo III o2 housing gasket and the turbo outlet whole is huge. it is about 2.8" big. so a 3" pipe would be awesome for it. fuck a bunch of 2.5"

Well, I'm doing a 2.5 dp, 3" cat, 3" cat back set up. I talked to the guys at AHP, and the recomend that I go with the 2.5" dp so I don't lose the low end (beacus the low end allready sucks in my a/t) and sence the turbo i'm getting is fairly small the say the 2.5 dp would be perfect. Anywase, this is suposta be my Daily driver, I'm going to get a used Cyclone intake mani. from a local shop to see if it helps throttle response any. As it is my car sucks any wase. A/T, 106,000 mi on the stock engine, and 4800ft is a bad combo. I can only pull 0-60 in 7.6 sec(aprox.)

 

[TheObiJuan]

ouch...that is a slow 0-60. the whole reason i wanted a ty was because i know i could pull a 0-60 in 4.0 seconds. got to love launching....

 

[Dick]

If that Eclipse was completely stock(i.e. no boost controller, K&N, nothing) you should have easily beat it.

Friend of mine has a 91 TSi that ran 15.0 completely stock on a G-Tech, then put a boost controller on, put some heat deflecting shit around the fuel line, and a K&N filter, then ran a 13.9 on 100 octane w/18 psi...

 

[beefylocks]

iam sorry to say i was stock and ran a best of 15.09 1/4 91mph with me 240lbs and friend 260lbs friend with g-teck its all good i was just seeing if my ty was up to par? I've never drove a sy or ty so i do not know. and if the talon was stock or not i really dont know? he said it was but you know how that goes? lol ?
p.s. i wrote this hella drunk so if it doesnt make senecs it cool

 

[ivanko]

I own both a Sy(12.53@106 and a modified Galant VR4.

Do not underestimate a properly prepared DSM or GVR4.

My Galant is faster than my Sy and kills it on top end.

They are different cars when compared to each other. The Sy develops it's power down low in the rpm range. The 4g63 2 .0 DOHC motor develops decent torque in the lower rpm for a such a small displacement motor, but when the rpms hit around 4500 the motor comes alive and goes like a bat out of hell.

Adam Auerbach

Sy#2419
GVR4 #1323

 

[Tooky]

Man, I have an A/T DSM. I can power break my car up to about 3300 rpms, and build 17 psi at the line, and I still get out launched by the m/t guys all the time. Dsm's pull any where from 1.6-1.7 sec 60' times, what do stock sy/ty's pull?

I have a stock SyTy (no MBC, stock chip, stock 14.5 PSI Boost) and I got a best of 1.68 60' with a $4 tiedown cable. I think you need to race a properly tuned stock Syclone. The Sy has a longer wheelbase and less weight so it launches harder than the Ty. But if either is out of tune it will run like a SLUG-Mobile.. and they go out of tune quickly so unless the owner is really well informed, his ride will be doing the 14-15 second deal.

That's interesting you have an A/T DSM though, they are uncommon. I always wondered if they can brake torque power launch like the SyTys. What kind of 60's do you get?

FWIW I have seen some quick DSMs on the street, one was running high 12s and he launched even with my friend's Sy who ran low 13s at the time with 1.7 60's. (The DSM pulled on him after about 35MPH). So I believe you that they exist.

 

[Spinall4]

Man, I have an A/T DSM. I can power break my car up to about 3300 rpms, and build 17 psi at the line, and I still get out launched by the m/t guys all the time. Dsm's pull any where from 1.6-1.7 sec 60' times, what do stock sy/ty's pull?

I have a stock SyTy (no MBC, stock chip, stock 14.5 PSI Boost) and I got a best of 1.68 60' with a $4 tiedown cable. I think you need to race a properly tuned stock Syclone. The Sy has a longer wheelbase and less weight so it launches harder than the Ty. But if either is out of tune it will run like a SLUG-Mobile.. and they go out of tune quickly so unless the owner is really well informed, his ride will be doing the 14-15 second deal.

That's interesting you have an A/T DSM though, they are uncommon. I always wondered if they can brake torque power launch like the SyTys. What kind of 60's do you get?

FWIW I have seen some quick DSMs on the street, one was running high 12s and he launched even with my friend's Sy who ran low 13s at the time with 1.7 60's. (The DSM pulled on him after about 35MPH). So I believe you that they exist.

I have yet to run my car at the track(I was with out a license for 13 months, and I just got it back about a month ago). My car is a bad example of an a/t dsm, I just did another run tonight and could only pull 0-60 in 7.5 sec :x I wish my damm turbo back exhaust would come in I ordred it a month ago. I would estimate that my 60 ft's are about 2.0-1.9 range. I did mange to chirp my tires on the launch I did, it was prety damm cool. I've alwase wondered what the hell that tiedown cable does? I've read about it on the site(i'm a verry big fan of sy/ty's I just can't afford a sy and college at the same time, and I would rather have college) but I have no idea what the hell it does? oh and the ty I drove was a pos, I found out afterwords it had a tank full of 4 month old gas, and hadn't seen a tune up for 2 years. Yes the a/t dsm is very rare(at least modded ones are) beacuse noby wants an a/t. I like my a/t alot, and the last person to talk shit on it(kid with a getto modded dx civic) got about 8-9 cars put on him by 60.

 

[TheObiJuan]

a tie down cable is a simple mod that will better your 60's and save your motor mounts from being beaten down to shit.

bolt a cable from a tailgate (the ones that hold it in place when down) from your motor to the frame. make sure it is snug. when you launch your motor will jerk a lot less.

 

[Grizzle]

1G Dsm's can be easliy and cheaply modded, to run 12's simple.

 

[blacke]

dsm's arn't to be fuct with

dsm's arn't to be fuct with

check out clineracing.com to conform
#708

 

[mrweelr]

I just bought a '93 TSi AWD 5-speed for $850. It has been sitting for a year after being hit in the front right. The frame is OK and the only thing it needs is a new fender, door, and some work on the front end to fix it. I can't wait to start modding this thing! I'm shooting for 11's with this car, after I finish the Sy, of course.

 

[Wayne]

I drive a modded 95 front wheel drive Eclipse right now . I am currently looking for another Syclone. (Meaning I had one while living in Austin before enlisting) I have not driven one DSM that is not a full outright drag car (non streetable) that will launch anywhere close to what my
Syclone would do lightly modded .
Wade
There really is no comparison in my experience.

 

[TheObiJuan]

wade!!! sweet. welcome man.
here you go. :drinking:
i believe there is a syclone there for sale in houston. a red one. but shanker (a user here) gots dibs from what i have read...

 

[mrweelr]

I heard 1st gen's can do 1.5 second 60' foot times which is a harder launch than most Sy/Ty's I've seen. I think both of these vehicles can be equally fast depending on how much money you put into them. Stock vs. stock, the Sy/Ty would win hands down though.

 

[TheObiJuan]

to get 1.5's it takes a lot of supporting mods and a AWD model. the driveline sucks on the AWD and will break. for 1g's they need to get a way better clutch and a much better tranny. but 1.5 is not unheard of. also, typically dsm's usually go with turbo's that dont have much lowend.

 

[Spinall4]

Pulling a 1.5 sec 60' time in a dsm is generaly considered insane beacuse that kind of abuse will usualy leave driveline parts all over the starting line. The only people that pull those times are hardcore dragracers, that have trailerqueens, and people that can afford to put in a new tranny at every other oil change. One day maby I will be rich enough to afford both a dsm and a syclone but not right now

 

[Trollenfrak]

Re: Talon AWD turbo

My friend's talon is extremely fast, the only semi - challenge lately.

 

[Jer]

Re: Talon AWD turbo

Are you searious? A m/t DSM would out launch a sy/ty any day of the week. think about it, 6k clutch drop is gona take off slower than a 2500 rpm power break launch? I don't think so. It proably had the free mods done, which would put him at high 13's. Don't doubt the dsm, there semi quick from the factory, and with some work they can be mean as hell. I think the current record is at 9.66 in full street trim (in the 1/4 mi). not to bad for a shitty little 4 banger huh?

Free mods=13's on a 1g DSM???

Don't think so.

 

[Jer]

Re: Talon AWD turbo

Well, the ty I test drove couln't even out launch my current car, but I'm guessing that was a fluke. I've been in dsm's for some hard ass launches, one where my friend perfected the bliping the throttell tequnik, and he proably had 10-12 psi at 6000 rpms, and sidesteped the clutch. it was hard enough for both of us to smack our heads, and his car broke 3 tires loose(stupid open front differential) for 30 or 40 ft. Stock for stock I belive a Sy could take a 1st gen, but not a ty. the proablem is, when most dsm'ers say stock, they mean stock except for k&n, Mbc, and a boost gauge. I'm not going to get into a battle here, we can do that on dsm talk. 1g's might have a better engine(the big rod 6 bolts) but 2g's have bigger brakes, 4 bolt rears, un-gay seat belts, better looks, and a beter exhaust mani. and we get all the pussy

Where to start.... *Sigh*

The better engine was on the pre-91 DSMs as they used a 4 bolt bottom end.... not six. Secondly, the 'big brakes' as well as the 4-bolt rear end started in '93 which was still the 1g and carried on into the 2g's starting in 1995. The seat belts were identical save for the 90's that had automatic seat belts. The 2g did NOT have a better exhaust manifold... it had thicker walls that allowed for more porting and less cracking but in stock form was NO different than the 1g manifold. Not to mention that as far as looks 2g's are chick cars and always will be. That last one was just my opinion but you can do your research and see that all the rest was fact. Now crawl back under the rock from whence you came troll.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: Talon AWD turbo

Ive raced modded DSM's before and they couldnt take me off the line for shit. I dont knwo where you DSM guys get your freakin info but its wrong. Maybe youre out thhere playing with beat down SYTY's. I dotn believe youare leaving the line wiht 17psi and only doing 0-60 in 7.5. Maybe I read all that wrong. Tell you the truth, I dont understand why you come on here trying to sell DSM's. We have the off topic section for that crap. When my TY was totally stock I raced a modded TSI and raped the poor bastard. I raced another modded one that was running very well and he did not take me off the line by any means,. He did pull on me at about 70ish though. But youre crazy if you thnk DSM's can take a SYTY off the line in stock form. They cant even do it modded. I say, until you get yourself a Sy or TY and tune it right yourself so you know its done right, dont sit there and say what you say. Youre judging on broke down trucks. Its annoying.

Mike