What to look for??? Need help please!

93LT1Formula

New member
Can anyone tell me what to look for when I go to get my Typhoon? I know to look for leaks on the engine and tranny, but I need to know what to look for on the Turbo, Wategate/Blowoff Valve, etc. It has 114,000 miles on it and the right front rim is bent. the body molding is loose at the joining point on the same side, and the fog light is busted too same side.

I am having a friend go with me that has a Scanner for ODB-1 and we are going to scan it too!

Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Mark M.
 

InvisiBill

Active member
RTFM! If you can't spend a few minutes reading the stuff that the big bold posts say to, you probably won't enjoy owning a SyTy.

http://syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17624

They're not linked directly from there, but http://www.syty.org/checklist.html and http://www.syty.org/old/buyers.html are specifically buyer's guides.

Also remember that most of your questions can be answered just as quickly as you can type a post, without anyone else even having to think about it (because it's been done already).
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smeagol

Active member
There are lots o' trouble spots you should watch for, but they are too numerous for me to list here. Better to just read as many posts as you can on certain subjects.

Mind you, reading posts on the board will lead you to believe that these are the most troublesome trucks in the entire world. That's not *entirely* true, but they are finicky beasts. When they run right, you love them. Driving them is an entirely different sensation than being in an F body or vette, or whatever. It's quite addicting. Point is, they are worth it IMO.

Anyways, the biggest word of warning for you - these trucks are not F bodies, they can be easy to modify, and can be made fast with little parts, but choosing the right parts is crucial. Tuning them or modifying them is outright dangerous if you are not careful. On an NA car, if you tweak something wrong, chances are you get worse mileage, or lose 2 mph in the 1/4. Tweak something wrong on a syty, and you could be using rags & dustpans to retrieve the remains of your motor off the road.

Anyways, read up, post your questions here. The best buyer is an informed one. I'd hate to have everyone here roll their eyes at you, saying I told you so, in 3 weeks if you buy a lemon :wink:
 
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Blake

Guest
This is long.
Read it. All of it. You will be glad you did.
Brian's right with "troublesome" statement. I was having tons of trouble with my Ty when I first got it. Hood shaking, shaking when braking, rear suspension bottoming out, exhaust rattling, yadda yadda yadda. Ends up the previous owner neglected to tell me it was a stolen recovery and wrecked at least 3 times. This coupled with an owner that tended to mangle things and exercise poor judgement(like putting in a used fuel pump and kinking the output line). In all honesty some people do not need to work on their own trucks.
This kind of stuff can make ownership a pitiful experience.
Something I've found though. The transmission for example. It worked fine under normal use(no overrun braking though). But if I floored it, it would slip. So I just took it easy on it for about 3 years. When I disassembled the tranny, the 3-4 clutches were to the metal but......it would work fine under normal use. These trucks are dependable believe it or not if they are used like a normal vehicle. If you are the type of person that runs it up to 110mph on a daily basis and boost launches at every stoplight, then do not be mad when something breaks and call it a piece of junk. Know what I mean?
If you are not mechanically inclined, have a local mechanic that you trust look at it for you. If you know someone on the BB that is local to one have them look at it for you. If someone tells you that it is a nice truck but they haven't seen it in months DON'T GO ON THAT. Get a RECENT looksee.

My situation for example, many people had seen the truck at the Woodward Dream Cruise that year and vouched that it was a good truck. Well, in between the time of the Woodward cruise and the time I bought it, it had been stolen, wrecked 3 times and used to tow and actually haul firewood. Yep that's right, he actually laid the seats down and friggen hauled firewood in the back of a Typhoon. He didn't think it was important because "it had been repaired at the dealer. So I knew it was done right."......suuuuure.

Two big things to look for on the outside.
Does the paint match? If at all possible, look at the truck when it is CLEAN under flouresent lighting. Flouros are very unforgiving and will show every little flaw(like where a shop has attempted to blend clear from a repair).
If it is just a fender or hood, no big deal, but if it is a whole side(like mine was), look at another truck.
2nd, look under the seats for broken chunks of safety glass. If it has been wrecked or broken into recently, there will be pieces of it here and there. The stuff gets down into everything. Look at the writing in the bottom corners of the glass. For example the rear windows of a Ty. Make sure they have the same manufacturer. If not, a window has been knocked out or it has been wrecked. :wink:

Mechanically. Check fluid levels and see if the check engine light stays on.
Look at the ABS module and see if it is plugged in. If not, something is wrong with it. Look to see if the front prop shaft is in it. They are about $500 to replace if it isn't there. Look at front CV joint boots and make sure they aren't torn in two.
Smoking on startup that quickly subsides is normal for the most part. Leaking valve seals. GM should've used viton with the turbo application but rubber was soooo much cheaper :roll:
Look at the inside edges of the tires. When I bought my Sy and my Ty, both had worn the inside edges of the tires to the cables. Almost every shop you go to will try to use regular s-10 4x4 specs to align them because that is all that is in the computer. Sytys have their OWN specs. If they are done using the s-10 specs, the inside edges of the tires will wear.
A ticking sound high up from the injectors is normal(a mechanic will be able to use a stethascope and tell you if it is coming from the fuel rail). A clunking sound from the side of the block down by the turbo or the sterring shaft is NOT. Go look at another truck.
Some states do not require mileage updates if the same owner owns the truck. My carfax for example came up clean. Nothing was on there about the theft recovery or anything but....Michigan is a car manufacture friendly state and thus info like this is usually not reported. :evil:
Hope this helps you out.
Anything I can do to keep bad stuff from happening to others.
George Blake
93 Ty with almost EVERYTHING replaced or rebuilt. :roll:
 

Syclone#892

Member
Those guys basically told you what you need to know, what I would recommend is finding a syty owner to go with you to check out the ty, they can point out things that you would have thought were good but are really ready to make it blow up. Also where is this truck you are looking at, tell use some things about it. And for another shameless plug, a friend is selling his '92 black on black ty somewhere around 77k on it( I am wondering if this is the one you are looking at?). His name is Darrin(awdsyty) and here is a link to some pics for ya
http://www.chitownsyty.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Stock-pics
truck is very stock with atr exhaust and walbro fuel pump. My recommendation is buy as stock as possible unless it is a well know person on the board. Basically everything that came with my truck except for the wheels has been or is being removed. Good luck hope you join us.
 

InvisiBill

Active member
Syclone#892 said:
My recommendation is buy as stock as possible unless it is a well know person on the board.

I agree. There are many "upgrades" for SyTy's that just don't work right, and many good parts that together just don't make a good combo. When I first started looking, I wanted a stock truck. After buying it and starting on all the stupid little stuff I had avoided, I wished I had gotten one with the basic stuff done already. But every time I read a post where someone is trying to chase down some weird little problem or can't figure out what part they have on their truck, I'm glad I know exactly what's been done to mine.
 

Eluding

New member
It is true that most trucks have oil smoke on start-ups. I couldn't stand mine smoking so I swapped the heads. I have also replaced both front half shafts, the alternator, the water pump, the fuel pump, all the vacuum lines, every water line and the rear driveshaft u-joints. But then again I consider this normal for a 12 year old truck which had also been a theft recovery. BTW, I bought the thing with 64,000 miles, I now have 78,000.
Also, I have owned every generation of F-body during the last 17 years. The Syclone is just as fun as any of them. The boost is addicting. I compare my Sy to my previous 68 Camaro. They rattle and ride rough, but they are faster than nearly anything on the road and are very unique in a sea of Camrys and Tauruses. :lol:
 

93LT1Formula

New member
Well I bought it! It has 116,000 miles on it. The paint is in good shape and all of the door jams, body lines, and places that over spray would be found are clean. The engine is clean for having as many miles and as old it is. I think the owner before me had it in a garage at night. One rim is bent but not that bad. The tire still holds pressure. The front air damn is lose from the side one up front but when I looked closer the body pin just worked its way lose so i just got a new pin and replaced it. Im missing the passenger side fog lamp cover. The Fog lamp still work though.

When I went to look at the ty when the dealer was open I had a friend go with me that had a OBD1 scanner to see what everything was running at with the ty. Well went we went to find the ADL port we could not find it. It was dark out side and no one had a flash light. Tonight we went back looking for the port and still could not find it. There is an aftermarket security system on the Ty along with a Pioneer CD player. Unless we were told wrong the ADL port is on the Driver's side under the instrument panel. Later on we went out around town and went to an open spot to see what things were like at WOT. We launch from idle in the D position on the tranny, the boost kicked in good but when we got to about 4500 RPM it felt like I was hitting the rev limiter (if there is one) so I let off right away. I came to a full stop and put the shifter into OD and tried it again and the same thing happend, this time we noticed that the boost gauge was no where neer 14 psi point in the gauge. I think the wastegate is releasing the pressure at the wrong time. If it was overboost I would redline really easily i think, and the needle on the tach never went into the red let alone the orange range.

Other than that stuff this Typhoon is really clean. The interior is really great shape for a 92 that has 116,000 miles on it. The seats look really great! The Driver side seat is missing the lumbar pump but im not complaning about that! I will be getting pics of the Ty taken and ill try to have them on the net tomarrow.

Thanks for the help guys

Mark M.
 

Wes

Donating Member
The rev limiter is at 4500. You shouldn't be hitting it in OD unless it's not shifting into 4th for some reason.

When you hit the rev limiter, the engine cut out a little bit. If you overboost, the engine will cut out a lot, for a couple of seconds.

The ALDL port is on the very bottom of the dash on the drivers side, it will be above your right leg when sitting in it.

Does it have an aftermarket boost guage?
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
93LT1Formula said:
Later on we went out around town and went to an open spot to see what things were like at WOT. We launch from idle in the D position on the tranny, the boost kicked in good but when we got to about 4500 RPM it felt like I was hitting the rev limiter (if there is one) so I let off right away. I came to a full stop and put the shifter into OD and tried it again and the same thing happend, this time we noticed that the boost gauge was no where neer 14 psi point in the gauge. I think the wastegate is releasing the pressure at the wrong time. If it was overboost I would redline really easily i think, and the needle on the tach never went into the red let alone the orange range.

The factory boost guage sucks, mine is off over by 3-5 psi depending on the boost level. Did you check the Vacuum lines? I would NOT go full throttle until those replaced. 10 years old and 116K miles, if they are orignal they leak. The right combination of leaks and the motor will blow itself up under WOT.
 
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Blake

Guest
I have to agree with theses guys. No more WOT blasts until you find the ALDL port and find out what's going on. If the ALDL port isn't by your right knee, get up under there and reach up on top of the trim panel and see if it is laying up on top of the trim.
Blake
 

93LT1Formula

New member
No i dont have an aftermarket Gauge yet. Im going to get one monday. I want an Autometer Carbon Fiber Boost Gauge and Fuel Pressure Guage too! I have a Fuel Gauge sitting here that i never put in my Firebird so im gonna put it in the Typhoon. Its Autometer also.
 
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