What would it take..

[Bump Stick]

What would it take to break into the 11s with SY? Esentually the truck is stock, bigger heat exhanger and 3in bullet muffler exhaust. Has a slightly higher stallTC in it (not sure the exacts) and I have soe L35 heads possibily lined up.

 

[Jimmy]

Re: What would it take..

I would start with a transmission first.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: What would it take..

I would start with a transmission first.

A bigger turbo and injectors could do it. I am with Jimmy though, you might only get a few runs with the stock transmission. L35 head while would provide more HP would be my first choice of upgrades.

 

[Bump Stick]

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Stock Tranns has only 300 miles on it so I will drive it till it blows (but already plan on going with a Prime Gears build, unless I find a good local builder). I already know the tranny is a very weak link so i already have plans for that, I'm getting the L35s and plan on sending them out for some porting (any body have any places you recomend)

What Turbo? What size injectors? Wont I have to get a chip because of those 2 upgrades?

 

[cdezzz]

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my thoughts would be to have a new tranny built now and sale the stocker for more than just a core

 

[Bump Stick]

Re: What would it take..

my thoughts would be to have a new tranny built now and sale the stocker for more than just a core

The Tranny is already covered. Performance is my concern,. I dont have any experence with turbos or 4.3s

 

[dgoodhue]

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Stock Tranns has only 300 miles on it so I will drive it till it blows (but already plan on going with a Prime Gears build, unless I find a good local builder). I already know the tranny is a very weak link so i already have plans for that, I'm getting the L35s and plan on sending them out for some porting (any body have any places you recomend)

I personally wouldn't spend a lot of money on the L35's. Stockers flow about 150cfm on the intake side, L35 are ~170cfm and the Vortec are 215cfm. With a 3 angle valve job and better set of valves, Vortec are easily in the 230-240cfm range. I would just do a 3 angle valve job and call it done, if you spend a bunch of money porting them (iron heads take more time) you start exceeding the cost of Vortecs.

What Turbo? What size injectors? Wont I have to get a chip because of those 2 upgrades?

Injector 50#'s or maybe 65#'s. The turbo is really upto you and if you plan on pushing the truck faster. I would do one of the moderate sized PTE turbo/3" down pipe combo. You might want to see read up on some the results Tooky has with PTE51 and Turbo6 (Phil Long) had with his PTE52. I have a PTE61 Ball Bearing (which is 6131), I haven't isntalled it yet (broken motor). I beleive its slightly larger than PTE52 (6131 has a larger compressor wheel, smaller exhuast wheel)

For a stock bottom end and stockish heads.cam, I would be inclined to go with 52,54 or 61, or GT35R.

 

[92 Ty 1173]

Re: What would it take..

I personally wouldn't spend a lot of money on the L35's. Stockers flow about 150cfm on the intake side, L35 are ~170cfm and the Vortec are 215cfm. With a 3 angle valve job and better set of valves, Vortec are easily in the 230-240cfm range. I would just do a 3 angle valve job and call it done, if you spend a bunch of money porting them (iron heads take more time) you start exceeding the cost of Vortecs.

Don't forget the $400 for the modified intake to fit the vortecs. That lead me away from them for now.

 

[ThaJokr]

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If the trans is working now, you might as well make some extra money and sell a working trans since you know you're gonna need a new one anyway.

 

[Bump Stick]

Re: What would it take..

I personally wouldn't spend a lot of money on the L35's.

Injector 50#'s or maybe 65#'s. The turbo is really upto you and if you plan on pushing the truck faster. I would do one of the moderate sized PTE turbo/3" down pipe combo. You might want to see read up on some the results Tooky has with PTE51 and Turbo6 (Phil Long) had with his PTE52. I have a PTE61 Ball Bearing (which is 6131), I haven't isntalled it yet (broken motor). I beleive its slightly larger than PTE52 (6131 has a larger compressor wheel, smaller exhuast wheel)

For a stock bottom end and stockish heads.cam, I would be inclined to go with 52,54 or 61, or GT35R.

I am not going to spend alot of money on the L35s. The ones I am picking up are goign to cost me ALOT less than going with vortecs. So throwing a couple hundred extra into them I'll still be less then the vortecs and flow almost as good and I will be able to keep my maniflod original.

Turbos, yah i dont know that the hell a PTE 51, 52,or 61 are. I know they are turbos I see RMP selling, but other than that i dont know shit. GT35R whats that one? A could people have said to go with a 20G.... I used to be a n/a LT1, LS1 and 5.0L guy (yeah i know i went to the blue oval for a bit). Turbos are a new thing for me.

 

[Bump Stick]

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If the trans is working now, you might as well make some extra money and sell a working trans since you know you're gonna need a new one anyway.

The Trans has jst recently been rebuilt stock... So i'm just going to drive her. I am getting all the parts together so I can do everything at once. Yall northern guys have you winter projects well i will have 2 month payed vacation where I can do everything all at once. I've got 60 days of Leave/Vaction that I am taking right before I get out of the Army begining of next summer (wont be back form Iraq for good till end of this summer).

 

[It's just a six]

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What would it take to break into the 11s with SY? Esentually the truck is stock, bigger heat exhanger and 3in bullet muffler exhaust. Has a slightly higher stallTC in it (not sure the exacts) and I have soe L35 heads possibily lined up.

A 60-1 turbo will work. Turbonetics,& others
.82 A/R on the turbine housing.
3000-3500 stall.
Sticky tires. great tune, 50 Lb inj,meth injection.
L 35's are fine,but porting the bowl areas would be all you need.
Good gas would'nt hurt.
Clamp the front of the rear leaf springs w/u bolts,MSD6A,,,fuel pump upgrade,(manditory)

Don't have to all of these ideas but it will make it easier to run 11's if you do most of them & there is more.

 

[Bump Stick]

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A 60-1 turbo will work. Turbonetics,& others
.82 A/R on the turbine housing.
3000-3500 stall.
Sticky tires. great tune, 50 Lb inj,meth injection.
L 35's are fine,but porting the bowl areas would be all you need.
Good gas would'nt hurt.
Clamp the front of the rear leaf springs w/u bolts,MSD6A,,,fuel pump upgrade,(manditory)

Don't have to all of these ideas but it will make it easier to run 11's if you do most of them & there is more.

60-1 turbo? what is that?... .82 A/R? what is that too?
I know nothing about turbos other then the basic pricipals of how they work.

Yeah I am not going to go that high on my stall, this is a Daily Driver. I remember the 3400 stall in my buddies Z28 - not a good idea fo a daily driver we found out.

Oh yes i Know tires make such a big difference it everything (1/4, 0-60, 60-0, Gs). I loved the Yokohama AVS Intermediates I had on my ZR1 wheel (275/315) on my F-body. But they dont make those exact tires anymore Not exactly sure what size tires i'll be goign with... all depends on if i keep the stock rims on or go for something else. But I was thinking of going with some yokohamas, Nitto, or BFGs. Not DR but something still sticky... What are they using in the SCCA for their Pairtal wet tire now?

I dont know jack about tuning these (only experence is with lt1 and ls1 f-bodies). Who do yall suggest for tuning?... looks like most people are sayign 50# injectors. So those and some alky/meth will be going on too.

OK that is what I wanted to know I should just have the bowls on the L35s ported :tup: thanx

Fuel... Amico 93 is all I use.

Clamp the front of the leaf springs? what is that for? to prevent axle wrap/keep the pinion angle right?

What are the benifits of goign with the MSD6A? The only time I have used one before was for a Track car. Is it really worth it for a Daily Driver?

Yes I am already planning on a 255 walbor intake.

Those are some good ideas, i knew about some but others well thats why i asked. What other suggestions do you have?

 

[T-Bone]

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Upgrade your front propshaft now before it breaks and takes out your tranny/transfer case while beating up your underside. Second, put a built tranny in now and you can make money off your current stock one, thus reducing the real cost of the built one. Last, shave weight where you can (remove spare tire, ABS, jack, lug wrench, owner manual, no more than 1/4 tank of fuel, liquid diet the night before your run) and with a good tune and perfect stage/reaction time, you can do it.

 

[Bump Stick]

Re: What would it take..

Upgrade your front propshaft now before it breaks and takes out your tranny/transfer case while beating up your underside. Second, put a built tranny in now and you can make money off your current stock one, thus reducing the real cost of the built one. Last, shave weight where you can (remove spare tire, ABS, jack, lug wrench, owner manual, no more than 1/4 tank of fuel, liquid diet the night before your run) and with a good tune and perfect stage/reaction time, you can do it.

I am going to upgrade the tranny before I do any serious racing. Thankx i didnt think about the propshaft. that would be an expencived breakage. Well I got the weight of the truck down as much as I can with out spending alot of money (fiberglass/CF hood, fenders, racing seat, etc). I need to find someone to do the tune for me... Little practice with the truck am i can get my R/T to what it was in my camaro, avg 510 on a 500 tree.

 

[nick041881]

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60-1 turbo? what is that?... .82 A/R? what is that too?
I know nothing about turbos other then the basic pricipals of how they work.

Yeah I am not going to go that high on my stall, this is a Daily Driver. I remember the 3400 stall in my buddies Z28 - not a good idea fo a daily driver we found out.

Oh yes i Know tires make such a big difference it everything (1/4, 0-60, 60-0, Gs). I loved the Yokohama AVS Intermediates I had on my ZR1 wheel (275/315) on my F-body. But they dont make those exact tires anymore Not exactly sure what size tires i'll be goign with... all depends on if i keep the stock rims on or go for something else. But I was thinking of going with some yokohamas, Nitto, or BFGs. Not DR but something still sticky... What are they using in the SCCA for their Pairtal wet tire now?

I dont know jack about tuning these (only experence is with lt1 and ls1 f-bodies). Who do yall suggest for tuning?... looks like most people are sayign 50# injectors. So those and some alky/meth will be going on too.

OK that is what I wanted to know I should just have the bowls on the L35s ported :tup: thanx

Fuel... Amico 93 is all I use.

Clamp the front of the leaf springs? what is that for? to prevent axle wrap/keep the pinion angle right?

What are the benifits of goign with the MSD6A? The only time I have used one before was for a Track car. Is it really worth it for a Daily Driver?

Yes I am already planning on a 255 walbor intake.

Those are some good ideas, i knew about some but others well thats why i asked. What other suggestions do you have?

It sounds to me like the best thing that you could be doing right now is reading through old posts to try and educate yourself on these vehicles and turbo vehicles in general. You will never run 11's if you don't know what you are dealing with.

 

[Bump Stick]

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It sounds to me like the best thing that you could be doing right now is reading through old posts to try and educate yourself on these vehicles and turbo vehicles in general. You will never run 11's if you don't know what you are dealing with.

Well reading old posts arent helping me much. Not knowing the turbo and how its set up and controled is what si hurting me. I havent found any posts that tell me what I need to know. what i am finding is albased on having preexistin knoloedge. I can get a camaro or mustang into the 10s all day long, with or with out a supercharger. I havent found a good sorce fo learing about and the diffeneces in thes turbos.... To me Tuning an LT1 )OBD1 and 2) or LS1 isnt hard at all.. Stock LT1 with only CIA, Catback, and 3.42 running mid 13s at 113mph. It was all in the tune i did.

 

[MRKING]

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Your best bet would be to drive it for some time before you break into racing it regularly . A stock truck can have common issues like ignition gremlins , false knock , tv cable not set properly , or just not running right for some reason .Modding it right away , wont let you learn if youve really made it better or worse by changing things.

You really need to learn your truck from the drivers seat . How it feels , what it likes , and what it doesnt like are all things you need to know before really playing hard with it . Almost every month a new syty owner buys one , mods it shortly after , and puts it up for sale again as quick as they decided they had to have one. They usually sell in worse condition than bought in ,or losing thousands on the deal on the average once theyve thrown parts at it .

Reading will help when you have an actual question , but without driving it much yet , you dont even know what real questions to ask . Everyone here wants to see you avoid all that crap , and avoid the headaches these beasts can cause .

My best advice is to just start off slow . Majority of the fast trucks around here took years to get that way and alot was learned during that time . Hope that helps with the itch .

 

[dgoodhue]

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60-1 turbo? what is that?... .82 A/R? what is that too?
I know nothing about turbos other then the basic pricipals of how they work.

Yeah I am not going to go that high on my stall, this is a Daily Driver. I remember the 3400 stall in my buddies Z28 - not a good idea fo a daily driver we found out.

I dont know jack about tuning these (only experence is with lt1 and ls1 f-bodies). Who do yall suggest for tuning?... looks like most people are sayign 50# injectors. So those and some alky/meth will be going on too.

60-1 is a really confusing way to describe turbo. It stands for he compressor A/R ratio of 60-1, but it commonly denotes a 59mm wheel which is sometimes clipped. It is common used among many different imports in many different compressor housings. It just a six is probably is talking about the RPM's 60-1 turbo.

.82 A/R refers to the exhuast housing A/R; the PTE exhuast housing is 0.85, you don't really have many exhuast housing options for bolt syty turbo. I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel with a Turbo (ie ebay specials) PTE is precision turbo, they sell a lot of turbo's for Grand National's, they make SyTy exhuast housing and you will need a 3" down pipe for these to work.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Not trying to shit on your day here but, dont you think you would be a lot smarter to start off slow with this? If you know nothing about turbos, you can do SERIOUS damage. You may end up building your motor every week if youre not careful. Ild take your time and do it right. There is so much information here I dont see how it is not helping you out, youre reading the wrong stuff or not really READING it. I would also have to say that if you are used to F body's or whatever, you probably wont own your truck for too long. You are trying to take a fast approach which if you know nothing about these trucks, will result in you getting pissed off at the truck because its not an LXX. If you plan on keeping the truck and getting good results, Ild slow way down and learn about them first. There a lot of things that go wrong just on stock trucks. Throw mods into the mix and you ruin your dream real quick, infact, that is the only thing youll be doing fast. If you just want to get it hopped up ASAP, Ild send it off to someone like Mike LEE Jwaller, Erue, there are a tond of guys here who know what they are doing and can build your truck in a fair amount of time. :2cents: