What year bodies are the same?
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powercat6
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
Yes 85-94 are the same. 83 and 84 are also the same.
Yes 85-94 are the same. 83 and 84 are also the same.
2500avalanche
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
If you switch the body, it wont be a Ty anymore. You cant switch the VIN. That is illegal!:tdown::tdown::tdown:
If you switch the body, it wont be a Ty anymore. You cant switch the VIN. That is illegal!:tdown::tdown::tdown:
warmpancakes
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
you do realize thats a felony and there are hidden numbers on the body of these trucks that some people know where to look for them
you do realize thats a felony and there are hidden numbers on the body of these trucks that some people know where to look for them
DaveP
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
If you want a 4.3 to fit, stay in 88-up. There are subtle differences in core support mounting, wire hole sizes and location, A/C suitcase config for the 4.3. And the steering column is further outboard in the firewall to clear the exhaust. I know there's other differences that came with the 4.3, I just don't remember them all.
The IP changes dramatically between 86&87. I don't know if the IP mounting provisions on the body are the same, or not.
As far as swapping VINs, if neither of the VINs have been reported stolen, I don't think there will be an issue. I have a vehichle I swapped the VIN on when I did a body-swap. I very carefully left the rosette rivets intact, and JB welded the VIN tag into position. It is very difficult to detect from outside the vehichle. Both VINs are registered to me, and I carry the old VIN tag with the documentation for both VINs in the veh at all times. It's also a "cash for clunkers" level vehichle. Not valuable at all. I've never had a problem, but no one has ever asked.... Your results may vary.
If you want a 4.3 to fit, stay in 88-up. There are subtle differences in core support mounting, wire hole sizes and location, A/C suitcase config for the 4.3. And the steering column is further outboard in the firewall to clear the exhaust. I know there's other differences that came with the 4.3, I just don't remember them all.
The IP changes dramatically between 86&87. I don't know if the IP mounting provisions on the body are the same, or not.
As far as swapping VINs, if neither of the VINs have been reported stolen, I don't think there will be an issue. I have a vehichle I swapped the VIN on when I did a body-swap. I very carefully left the rosette rivets intact, and JB welded the VIN tag into position. It is very difficult to detect from outside the vehichle. Both VINs are registered to me, and I carry the old VIN tag with the documentation for both VINs in the veh at all times. It's also a "cash for clunkers" level vehichle. Not valuable at all. I've never had a problem, but no one has ever asked.... Your results may vary.
powercat6
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DaveP
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
NO IT IS NOT.
At least, not in itself. As long as all the parts, pieces, donor trucks, etc have been acquired legitimately, there is nothing wrong with performing a body-swap as he proposes to do. The only "felony" I'm aware of pertaining to this is to posses the rosette rivets. So put the tag on with pop rivets. It's NOT a felony to do it that way, but be prepared to be hassled if a LEO feels like being a dic, or becomes suspicious that something is wrong.
It's not easy to know what all one has to do to be legitimate in a project like this, but there are provisions in the law that allow this to be done.
He's not trying to hide anything. How is what he proposes a felony, Ken?
NO IT IS NOT.
At least, not in itself. As long as all the parts, pieces, donor trucks, etc have been acquired legitimately, there is nothing wrong with performing a body-swap as he proposes to do. The only "felony" I'm aware of pertaining to this is to posses the rosette rivets. So put the tag on with pop rivets. It's NOT a felony to do it that way, but be prepared to be hassled if a LEO feels like being a dic, or becomes suspicious that something is wrong.
It's not easy to know what all one has to do to be legitimate in a project like this, but there are provisions in the law that allow this to be done.
He's not trying to hide anything. How is what he proposes a felony, Ken?
warmpancakes
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
Possesion of a VIN tag not attaced to a vehicle is a Felony, possesion of the rivets is a felony, replacement of 2 of the 3 major components of a vehicle by law should have a assembled title and a state assigned VIN number
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...tml/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000511----000-.html
(a) A person who— (1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle, knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
WHEN YOU REMOVE THE VIN OFF OF THE DONOR CAR, THAT IS A SEPERATE FELONY. WHEN YOU PLACE A VIN TAG ON A CAR BODY OTHER THAN THE BODY IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY ON, THAT IS A FELONY. You could conceivably be charged with five seperate felonies for doing a rebody: the removal from the original body, the failure to replace it on that body, the removal from the donor body, the failure to replace it on that body, and the placement of the original VIN on the donor body.
No state exemption allows you to do this. It refers to repairing component parts, i.e., a rusted dash panel, by removing the VIN, repairing/replacing the panel and reattaching it TO THE SAME BODY, NOT A DIFFERENT ONE.
Sorry for getting on my high horse but if it saves someone the grief and massive legal expenses of defending criminal charges as well as a the enevitable civil lawsuit, I
Possesion of a VIN tag not attaced to a vehicle is a Felony, possesion of the rivets is a felony, replacement of 2 of the 3 major components of a vehicle by law should have a assembled title and a state assigned VIN number
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...tml/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000511----000-.html
(a) A person who— (1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle, knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
WHEN YOU REMOVE THE VIN OFF OF THE DONOR CAR, THAT IS A SEPERATE FELONY. WHEN YOU PLACE A VIN TAG ON A CAR BODY OTHER THAN THE BODY IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY ON, THAT IS A FELONY. You could conceivably be charged with five seperate felonies for doing a rebody: the removal from the original body, the failure to replace it on that body, the removal from the donor body, the failure to replace it on that body, and the placement of the original VIN on the donor body.
No state exemption allows you to do this. It refers to repairing component parts, i.e., a rusted dash panel, by removing the VIN, repairing/replacing the panel and reattaching it TO THE SAME BODY, NOT A DIFFERENT ONE.
Sorry for getting on my high horse but if it saves someone the grief and massive legal expenses of defending criminal charges as well as a the enevitable civil lawsuit, I
BoostedSUV
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
I am planning on doing the same thing with my truck due to rust issues. I too was concerned about turning my Ty into a "clone". I paid for a Typhoon and I want a typhoon not a Tyclone. So basically if I pick up a blazer shell with a clean title and I do the swap I will still have a Typhoon beyond just on paper? Like ken said there are vins on the body as well as the chassis... I was just going to swap shells and use everything else from my TY. I'm following this thread....
I am planning on doing the same thing with my truck due to rust issues. I too was concerned about turning my Ty into a "clone". I paid for a Typhoon and I want a typhoon not a Tyclone. So basically if I pick up a blazer shell with a clean title and I do the swap I will still have a Typhoon beyond just on paper? Like ken said there are vins on the body as well as the chassis... I was just going to swap shells and use everything else from my TY. I'm following this thread....
warmpancakes
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/07/01/hmn_feature16.html
8th paragraph in the article
Papadopoulos is charged with six different offenses, including criminal possession of a forged instrument, forgery of a vehicle identification number, illegal possession of a vehicle identification number and forgery, according to court documents
he was facing 42 years in prision
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/07/01/hmn_feature16.html
8th paragraph in the article
Papadopoulos is charged with six different offenses, including criminal possession of a forged instrument, forgery of a vehicle identification number, illegal possession of a vehicle identification number and forgery, according to court documents
he was facing 42 years in prision
BoostedSUV
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
How far are you from NJ? Do you have any pics of the shell? Clean title?
How far are you from NJ? Do you have any pics of the shell? Clean title?
warmpancakes
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
There may be circumstances where a VIN plate is missing from a vehicle or vehicles may be combined and need a new VIN plate. Residents who need a new Kentucky Assigned Identification Number for a vehicle made from different vehicles must apply for a VIN Removal of the plates on all the different vehicles used, and then they may apply for a new Kentucky Assigned Identification Number. Residents who have a vehicle that does not have a VIN plate would apply directly to the Transportation Cabinet for Kentucky Assigned Identification Number.
from kentucky
There may be circumstances where a VIN plate is missing from a vehicle or vehicles may be combined and need a new VIN plate. Residents who need a new Kentucky Assigned Identification Number for a vehicle made from different vehicles must apply for a VIN Removal of the plates on all the different vehicles used, and then they may apply for a new Kentucky Assigned Identification Number. Residents who have a vehicle that does not have a VIN plate would apply directly to the Transportation Cabinet for Kentucky Assigned Identification Number.
from kentucky
BoostedSUV
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
There has got to be a legal way to do this while still maintaining the inegrety of the vehicle. We all know what the difference in values between a "real" typhoon and a 100percent accurate clone. The only difference is that very important vin plate
There has got to be a legal way to do this while still maintaining the inegrety of the vehicle. We all know what the difference in values between a "real" typhoon and a 100percent accurate clone. The only difference is that very important vin plate
warmpancakes
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
there is no legal way to move a VIN plate,
there is no legal way to move a VIN plate,
DaveP
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Re: What year bodies are the same?
Cool. I'm a felon. Maybe even 5 counts. I changed the vin tag on a $500, 25 year old Ford van, that is my own personal property. With my luck, I'll spend the next 10 years in jail for it. Come visit me, Ken.
Yet the fraud going on in the financial industry has STOLEN Trillions from the U.S. Taxpayer, destroyed the value of our currency's buying power, and NOT ONE perp has been put in jail, or even indited. Well, Maddoff and Martha Stewart.
This country is going mad.........
Cool. I'm a felon. Maybe even 5 counts. I changed the vin tag on a $500, 25 year old Ford van, that is my own personal property. With my luck, I'll spend the next 10 years in jail for it. Come visit me, Ken.
Yet the fraud going on in the financial industry has STOLEN Trillions from the U.S. Taxpayer, destroyed the value of our currency's buying power, and NOT ONE perp has been put in jail, or even indited. Well, Maddoff and Martha Stewart.
This country is going mad.........