Whats the latest on who's sellin vac lines?

[Makaveli]

Ready to buy.... :grab:

 

[Ian Turgeon]

my supplier is swamped durring this time of year. Look for black kits/hose to be in stock and sold on syty.net in the months after new year.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

make your own it easy and cheeper!

 

[Makaveli]

Is there a "how to" on here anywhere? I searched briefly but didn't come across any sizes/diagrams.

If anyone has some instructions, point the way!! gracias :drinking:

 

[PPI Typhoon]

I just rebuilt my whole vaccuum line setup for less than $20. Took about an hour to get everything right, but it's really easy. I just went off the diagram under the hood.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

I know that no one aimed a flame in my direction, but I felt I needed to say something on the subject.

of course, if theres no significant demand for kits, maybe we wont stock them.

The price is steep to do-it-yourselfers, especially if you decide to not replace certain parts, and choose to go with rubber instead of a quality silicone hose.

To justify my prices:

Everyone whos purchased the kits I've sold has been an extremly happy customer, and several have mentioned how they would have happily payed more for them without me asking for input. The parts are quality, Ive used them on my own truck since before selling the kits. Ive tested heat ranges of the plastics I use, and purchased the best parts I could find. The instructions I put together are descriptive enough for the simple minded, and diagramed well enough to be a fast reference for the technically inclinded. I put together the kits to length, cut, zip tied, and vacuum tested. I even include zip ties needed for the installation.


With the prices of hose at autozone, I imagine you could get away with replacing the lines for under $20. As for a materials comparison, my cost of just the hose needed for the kits is more then that, and thats with me ordering $1200 worth of hose at a time.

 

[PPI Typhoon]

I know that no one aimed a flame in my direction, but I felt I needed to say something on the subject.

of course, if theres no significant demand for kits, maybe we wont stock them.

The price is steep to do-it-yourselfers, especially if you decide to not replace certain parts, and choose to go with rubber instead of a quality silicone hose.

To justify my prices:

Everyone whos purchased the kits I've sold has been an extremly happy customer, and several have mentioned how they would have happily payed more for them without me asking for input. The parts are quality, Ive used them on my own truck since before selling the kits. Ive tested heat ranges of the plastics I use, and purchased the best parts I could find. The instructions I put together are descriptive enough for the simple minded, and diagramed well enough to be a fast reference for the technically inclinded. I put together the kits to length, cut, zip tied, and vacuum tested. I even include zip ties needed for the installation.


With the prices of hose at autozone, I imagine you could get away with replacing the lines for under $20. As for a materials comparison, my cost of just the hose needed for the kits is more then that, and thats with me ordering $1200 worth of hose at a time.

THe hoses are silicone that I bought, and I got them at a local performance shop. I'd not even get close to the cheap stuff at Autozone.

No one was trying to flame you. It's just an option that we all were throwing out.

 

[ParTyBoy]

To justify my prices:

Everyone whos purchased the kits I've sold has been an extremly happy customer, and several have mentioned how they would have happily payed more for them without me asking for input. The parts are quality, Ive used them on my own truck since before selling the kits. Ive tested heat ranges of the plastics I use, and purchased the best parts I could find. The instructions I put together are descriptive enough for the simple minded, and diagramed well enough to be a fast reference for the technically inclinded. I put together the kits to length, cut, zip tied, and vacuum tested. I even include zip ties needed for the installation.

Damn straight.... one happy camper here and I would buy another kit if and when I purchased another SyTy ..... People need to remember to support the honest well intentioned members of syty.net that take their personal time/money out to make to something for you...

Just like to say thank you again to Ian Turgeon, Jeff Scott, Mike Beeney, Jessie Alymeyer, and Invisibill of syty.net for offering products that I've been fortunate enough to purchase over the past 4 years.... Hopefully will be able to add Brian Green and Mike Lee to that list in the next year...

 

[PPI Typhoon]

Ian.........you're not related to Art by chance, are you??

Just curious.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

THe hoses are silicone that I bought, and I got them at a local performance shop. I'd not even get close to the cheap stuff at Autozone.

No one was trying to flame you. It's just an option that we all were throwing out.

Consider yourself lucky on the price, and I TOTALLY agree about the silicone hose at autozone. Do you happen to know what brand/make the hose is? or where it came from? If I can find a better price without quality loss, I'd be more then willing to find a new supplier.

I hear ya, thought I'd throw my input down as well.

 

[Sy769]

I was extremely happy with mine and would recommend his kit to anyone. I am usually a DIY but I had more important things to do than look for replacement checkvalves,elbows and cut all the lines the right lenght.

When you make some more, Ian I need another for the Ty.

 

[Makaveli]

People need to remember to support the honest well intentioned members of syty.net that take their personal time/money out to make to something for you...

Sounds good to me... I'm not in a huge hurry to do this so if anyone can come up with a kit, I'll gladly pay a few extra bucks and "keep it in the fam"!!

If it's not in the forseeable future, seattlesy has set me the right direction for a DIY job.... ::thumbsup::

Somebody let me know...

 

[Ian Turgeon]

Ian.........you're not related to Art by chance, are you??

Just curious.

no.

People need to remember to support the honest well intentioned members of syty.net that take their personal time/money out to make to something for you...

Sounds good to me... I'm not in a huge hurry to do this so if anyone can come up with a kit, I'll gladly pay a few extra bucks and "keep it in the fam"!!

If it's not in the forseeable future, seattlesy has set me the right direction for a DIY job.... ::thumbsup::

Somebody let me know...

I understand, the kit isnt for every one, but they do sell because its easy. People will but into anything thats in a kit, even if it sucks(aheeeem atr,kb)

Me and keith have gone over splitting the capital, labor, and profit to make it posible to keep 5 in stock most of the time.

We just need to make it happen.

 

[Ty 1450]

I'm glad to hear that you will have some kits out in 03, but i need to replace some lines sooner then that. I looked around cant couldnt see what sizes they where. Talking with a fellow sy ty owner that bought your kit he was thinking they where 4&6 mm lines. Being the guy i am i'll probably replace my lines now and still probably buy your kit also (80% chance of buying and 100% if the lines are red .) Ian im glad guy like you are out there helpping out as much as you can, but theres no way im going to buy a thong!!! Hey SY769 i replaced my fuel pump and reg, and they guys who did it noticed a leak in one of my lines and patched it up (F@cker just should have replace it) and my boost is holding a little better now but still drops a little...give me a call when you get back in town so we can do a couple of DM runs.

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

I am sorry if I misundestand something here. I think it is great that you guys take your time, effort, and money to makes kits. Like you said, no flames directed at anyone here, but just because you make some kits does not mean others can't do it themselves. Again, its awesome you guys do that sort of thing, but its also fun for some of us to do thing oursleves at the same time!

 

[ParTyBoy]

I am sorry if I misundestand something here. I think it is great that you guys take your time, effort, and money to makes kits. Like you said, no flames directed at anyone here, but just because you make some kits does not mean others can't do it themselves. Again, its awesome you guys do that sort of thing, but its also fun for some of us to do thing oursleves at the same time!

That's true... All I'm saying is this is the story as far as I'm aware....

lots of people were complaining about having cracked or broken vacuum hoses... Ian was interested in making a replacement set for himself and took time into finding what it would take to change the stock lines with a lasting quality replacement set... When he finished he offered a gp run to the people who asked for the same kit he made for himself... Original kits were offered around $35 from what I remember... However, think about this in the aspect that there's an initial investment to purchase all the hose and valves, zip ties, etc that are necessary to assemble a kit.... then multiple that by "X" amount of people saying they are interested... That's quite a lot of money to spend initially considering people might change their minds along the way and back out for no reason whatsoever... Then there's the time involved assembling each kit, writing up instructions, boxing and mailing everyone's packages... I'm sure there's a couple other things...
But basically all this time and money is incurred by Ian trying to fill a demand for people from syty.net for virtually no profit for himself.... Really something like this is done to help others and not himself... He raised the price $15 on the 2nd GP due to all the excess time invested from the 1st GP..

So in closing I'm not saying you shouldn't go and make your own Vac kit if you feel like it ... However, Ian's done this to help others because people were requesting such a kit and if you're going to use a copy of the instructions Ian made to install your own kit then really he deserves the cash... Just my oppinion...

 

[SeattleSy#1255]

I agree with you 100% and your point about the instructions is agreeded upon. Except I never used those instructions nor do i think anyone should unless they pay. In fact I have never even seem them...He would deserve the cash if this was the case. What I am saying is I did not need instructions to do the job, let alone his. But the time and effort he has put in are appriciated. Even though I did my own kit I am sure it has helped many others from what i have heard. I am simply encouraging others to do there own work, not to take away from anyone in our community, but to learn about your own truck from the ground up including assempling your own things, mods, kits, etc... Even simple jobs as the vacuum lines. This would be a great example IMO of where to start. No flames intended!

Jeff

 

[Ian Turgeon]

agree, its not nearly an impossible job to make a them yourself.

Youv'e got something in the truck to use as a template, not to mention the diagrams that are availible here.

Really, time comes down to money, I put a lot of extra effort into one kit to make them availible to others. Im glad that (atleast most) are very happy with the kits.

They deliver an "open box->install product" system that has been tested and well planned. Its all some people need to get motivation to tackle their vac system.

Thats not to say that without them, we dont have an option.

I appreciate the mindset and verbalization of how you guys feel about the instructions with the kit. Again, if we cant get to a point where its worth the trouble of production, I will certainly not keep the instructions a secret.

 

[Eluding]

Ian, I just put on one of your kits from the 2nd GP. Great product and instructions. I really needed the instructions since I had the motor torn down for a month swapping heads, and I would have never remembered the proper vacuum hose routing and attachments. Thanks! Clark

 

[InvisiBill]

I agree with everything said here.

Ian's kit is awesome. His diagrams would make someone from Houston look like an expert. =) Pull it out of the box, yank off the old lines, and ziptie in the new ones. It's not that you couldn't do it yourself, but Ian's kit is about as "Plug n Play" as you can get for that. Never having replaced vac lines before, I was a bit scared to just go in and start ripping stuff out. With the kit, I had no worries, and would feel much better about doing it all myself if I need to in the future. Either way works, it's just whether you want to buy some steaks or go to a restaurant... There are times when even a gourmet chef doesn't feel like cooking, so I'm sure having some kits for sale would always be appreciated by someone.

At first I almost felt bad about selling the cables. After all, it was just a handful of Radio Shack parts and some wire put together using a schematic from some website. But now I'm realizing how much time I'm actually putting into each one of these, and that some people don't want to learn how stuff works. They may even know how it works already, but just want it to work "out of the box" instead of having to monkey with stuff. To them, it's worth a few bucks to not have to spend time doing the stuff themselves (and fixing it when they screw up the first time).

In other words, keep up the good work DIYers, and also DIYers who let those who can't or don't want to DIY, not have to DIY. =) Both types are always welcome around me.