juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Can someone please tell me how to hook my zentronix wide band O2 up to my ECU to data log it with datamaster?
Wideband to ECU
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Tommyquest
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Re: Wideband to ECU
Run your 0-5v WB output to F14 on the light green ECU connector. I can't remember off hand but there is a wire you can take out of another pin to use in F14. PM Nolan (10SecTy). He'll remember.
Run your 0-5v WB output to F14 on the light green ECU connector. I can't remember off hand but there is a wire you can take out of another pin to use in F14. PM Nolan (10SecTy). He'll remember.
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: Wideband to ECU
the zeitronix WB has a 0-5v analog output could this still be used? If so could I send some one my chip (phils 50# chip) and get someone to patch it for me?
the zeitronix WB has a 0-5v analog output could this still be used? If so could I send some one my chip (phils 50# chip) and get someone to patch it for me?
Tommyquest
The Member's Member
Re: Wideband to ECU
Let me add I did this with a Tech Edge WB without a patch and not zetronix when Nolan did my tuning.
Let me add I did this with a Tech Edge WB without a patch and not zetronix when Nolan did my tuning.
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: Wideband to ECU
Well I have no Idea how to make a patch, should i hook it up anyway ?
Well I have no Idea how to make a patch, should i hook it up anyway ?
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: Wideband to ECU
Can someone help me with the patch, i am going to order all the tunning gear but need a patch to get it to work with code$59
Can someone help me with the patch, i am going to order all the tunning gear but need a patch to get it to work with code$59
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: Wideband to ECU
true...should i get an Ostrich? Not the bird.
true...should i get an Ostrich? Not the bird.
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
Re: Wideband to ECU
it's on the way. i am looking forward to tunning now.
it's on the way. i am looking forward to tunning now.
alwayscode390
pppssssshhhhhtttttttttttt
Re: Wideband to ECU
I am confused at why you need a wideband if you are using datamaster....is it just to keep the laptop out of the truck?! Dont they both show you the same information, or is a wideband more accurate? Thanks ---
I am confused at why you need a wideband if you are using datamaster....is it just to keep the laptop out of the truck?! Dont they both show you the same information, or is a wideband more accurate? Thanks ---
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: Wideband to ECU
Datamaster shows you narrow band info from your stock o2 sensor which is more or less just a guess at afr where as a wideband o2 setup shows you exact or accurate as possibly and more detailed afr readings.. there is a patch to have the narrow band cell in datamaster to read and display your wideband instead of the worthless stock narrow band but you still need both the wideband setup and datamaster for that.. you could just use the wideband by it's self to monitor afr if it has a display like most do.
alwayscode390 said:
Datamaster shows you narrow band info from your stock o2 sensor which is more or less just a guess at afr where as a wideband o2 setup shows you exact or accurate as possibly and more detailed afr readings.. there is a patch to have the narrow band cell in datamaster to read and display your wideband instead of the worthless stock narrow band but you still need both the wideband setup and datamaster for that.. you could just use the wideband by it's self to monitor afr if it has a display like most do.
alwayscode390
pppssssshhhhhtttttttttttt
Re: Wideband to ECU
Oh I see, that cleared it all up, THANKS ---
Oh I see, that cleared it all up, THANKS ---
SBNova
New member
Re: Wideband to ECU
I have a Zeitronix WB. In TunerPro using the $59 mask I have a map that is adjustable to make the Z read accurately. The trouble is that I cant keep it sync'd. I really dont know what the problem is, but I can compare the Z software to the TP reading and they will be different by .3-.6 AFR. After I massage the table its all good. BUT, next time I try to log it will be wrong again, guarunteed.
The funny thing is that since Ive been using Scannerpro It seems to read just as good as with Tunerpro. I know that sounds simple enough but in Scannerpro there is no table to scale the reading!! How does Scannerpro know how to interpret the reading?
I have a Zeitronix WB. In TunerPro using the $59 mask I have a map that is adjustable to make the Z read accurately. The trouble is that I cant keep it sync'd. I really dont know what the problem is, but I can compare the Z software to the TP reading and they will be different by .3-.6 AFR. After I massage the table its all good. BUT, next time I try to log it will be wrong again, guarunteed.
The funny thing is that since Ive been using Scannerpro It seems to read just as good as with Tunerpro. I know that sounds simple enough but in Scannerpro there is no table to scale the reading!! How does Scannerpro know how to interpret the reading?
Re: Wideband to ECU
Correct me if I'm wrong gurus...........However I believe that a $59 masked bin holds the information and tables that convert the WBO2 signal to an AFR number. Since scannerpro is simply reading the data that is spit out from the ECM, it will read the WBO2 data AFTER conversion. With the conversion being done in the ECM not the software, it will read the same regardless of which piece of software you scan it with.
Another thought that most people are missing lately, that I might as well put here as anywhere else. The wideband isn't going to do ANY tuning for you. It's a measuring device very similar to a scale, or temperature guage. Getting a WBO2 (wideband O2) won't magically make your truck run any better. It will let you see where you are AFR wise. You can then use other tools (such as Tunerpro with an attached Ostrich) with the information you've gathered from the WBO2 to make changes, and observe the results. The huge help with logging the WBO2 data along with all other engine parameters is found when you look at the log at playback. Its considerably easier to see where it's lean/rich compared to RPM, and kPa when the data is all recorded at the same time. Otherwise, you have to find a way to relate the two, causing a good deal of headaches.
SBNova said:
Correct me if I'm wrong gurus...........However I believe that a $59 masked bin holds the information and tables that convert the WBO2 signal to an AFR number. Since scannerpro is simply reading the data that is spit out from the ECM, it will read the WBO2 data AFTER conversion. With the conversion being done in the ECM not the software, it will read the same regardless of which piece of software you scan it with.
Another thought that most people are missing lately, that I might as well put here as anywhere else. The wideband isn't going to do ANY tuning for you. It's a measuring device very similar to a scale, or temperature guage. Getting a WBO2 (wideband O2) won't magically make your truck run any better. It will let you see where you are AFR wise. You can then use other tools (such as Tunerpro with an attached Ostrich) with the information you've gathered from the WBO2 to make changes, and observe the results. The huge help with logging the WBO2 data along with all other engine parameters is found when you look at the log at playback. Its considerably easier to see where it's lean/rich compared to RPM, and kPa when the data is all recorded at the same time. Otherwise, you have to find a way to relate the two, causing a good deal of headaches.
turbodig
Active member
Re: Wideband to ECU
This would make me *very* suspicious of the accuracy/functionality of your WB.
The output voltage shouldn't drift in relation to WB data.
The other possible option is that you have a ground reference in the truck that's changing with temperature.
Either way, I wouldn't trust the AFR values that it's giving you any further than I could throw it. If you can find someone to loan you a second wide-band, use it to check the calibration on the ziet.
Later,
SBNova said:
This would make me *very* suspicious of the accuracy/functionality of your WB.
The output voltage shouldn't drift in relation to WB data.
The other possible option is that you have a ground reference in the truck that's changing with temperature.
Either way, I wouldn't trust the AFR values that it's giving you any further than I could throw it. If you can find someone to loan you a second wide-band, use it to check the calibration on the ziet.
Later,
turbodig
Active member
Re: Wideband to ECU
Correct. The translation brains are in the chip, not in the scan tool.
The AFR display in $59 will work with any scan tool - DM, TP, Diacom, OTC, Snap-On... anything that will read the ALDL stream. There are a few things in $59 that other scan tools won't read correctly, but they're mostly of an advanced nature, or are directly related to the Autotune Excel spreadsheet.
2kwik4u said:
Correct. The translation brains are in the chip, not in the scan tool.
The AFR display in $59 will work with any scan tool - DM, TP, Diacom, OTC, Snap-On... anything that will read the ALDL stream. There are a few things in $59 that other scan tools won't read correctly, but they're mostly of an advanced nature, or are directly related to the Autotune Excel spreadsheet.