Worlds Fastest Syclone going "Green" !

[420]

Re: Worlds Fastest Syclone going "Green" !

Ok, I can certainly understand how E85 will make more power than normal "pump" fuel (93 octane vs 105 octane). But hlep me understand how E85 can make more power than C16 (105 octane vs 117 octane).

EDIT: Robert, can you also post the link to the thread on Turbobuick.com? I think I have a lot of reading to do...

 

[Maverick87]

Re: Worlds Fastest Syclone going "Green" !

Burns faster and also helps with iat's

 

[420]

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Burns faster and also helps with iat's

Ok, but if I'm already dropping IAT's with Methanol injection, will I still see the same gain from E85? There is such a thing as TOO low IATs...

 

[Maverick87]

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With going to e85 you shouldnt have to run the meth kit. and You can get to the point the meth wont help temp wise. I just put a new fmic on the truck and in 40deg temps I could only see 40deg iat so the alki was not helping much if any because the temps were already low. helps with octane but not temps.

 

[420]

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With going to e85 you shouldnt have to run the meth kit. and You can get to the point the meth wont help temp wise. I just put a new fmic on the truck and in 40deg temps I could only see 40deg iat so the alki was not helping much if any because the temps were already low. helps with octane but not temps.

Right, but that's my point. If my options are:

E85, no alky = x IAT, 105 octane

C16 & Alky = x IAT and 117 octane

Aren't I going to have more power potential with C16 and Alky?

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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although this isn't syty specific it's a really cool E85 conversion article with plenty of numbers

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0709_e85_terminator/dyno.html

Including the gain of only 19hp and 20lbs of torque :splat:

 

[mrsyclone]

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With going to e85 you shouldnt have to run the meth kit. and You can get to the point the meth wont help temp wise. I just put a new fmic on the truck and in 40deg temps I could only see 40deg iat so the alki was not helping much if any because the temps were already low. helps with octane but not temps.

The alky cools the air.... more hp =) (10F less intake temp = 1% hp) and E85 cools the motor .)

 

[mrsyclone]

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Right, but that's my point. If my options are:

E85, no alky = x IAT, 105 octane

C16 & Alky = x IAT and 117 octane

Aren't I going to have more power potential with C16 and Alky?

E85 =105 -109 .)

 

[420]

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E85 =105 -109 .)

Ok, but it's still not 117 like C16. And as for E85 cooling the motor, won't the alky I want to mix in with the C16 accomplish the same thing?

Not trying to argue, by the way. Just trying to understand E85 a bit better Believe me, I'd *LOVE* to spend $3.50 / gal. on "race fuel", via whatever the heck C16 sells for these days.

 

[JSM]

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With alky injection your talking 5-10% alky, -vs- now up to 85%. (FYI winter blend E85 is actualy 70% ethanol).

Another misunderstanding is ethanol although worse than gas for corrosion is no where near what meth is. In fact I believe all pump gas now is 10% ethanol anyways and nobody even notices.

I have run over 50% E85 in both my pontiac DD and my tahoe just for fun. Both ran ok without a tune at all. Bit harder starting when cold, and some off throttle stumble but I expected something being as I didn't do anything besides pump some in the tank.

typhoon will probably be run 100% of the time on e85, with a tune made for gas just in case.

 

[Vertigo]

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I'm surprised not many are running E85. I was just reading a DSM board last night and there are quite a few guys experimenting with it. From what I can tell, they all loved it. Knock suppression seems to be a huge benefit and as stated, a quicker burn.

I wish we had this stuff publicly available in Canada. There are only a few pumps with this in Ontario.

 

[It's just a six]

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tuned right it will make the same or slightly more,

I really doubt it making anymore than RACE FUEL ,designed for high boost & detonation supression & more oxygen in race fuel. :2cents:

 

[Vertigo]

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I really doubt it making anymore than RACE FUEL ,designed for high boost & detonation supression & more oxygen in race fuel. :2cents:

My understanding is that because also has great knock supression, more oxygen, and it burns faster, E85/Ethanol can run more timing.

 

[Nova67ss]

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We can debate whatever we like on this E85 buissnes, but when Robert started to resertch this, there was alot of info on Inet but it turned out to be more of a hunch/guess/someboddy know a guy that... etc etc, NO FACT.. then there was some glips like the artikle Robert refered to.. then the staf at fast gave a bit in this pussle.. more thinkin and more info hunt...

Then the actually test, a smaller tune, some tveking, masaging and some fiddling here and there.
The Bad A$$ runs cooler, much nicer and more quiet than ever before and the ol`gasoline stinch in garage is 100% gone and the price on gas vs E85 makes U smile every time U gas it up..

So Robert is to this moment verry happy about the E85 conversion, the spring and road test and tune will fill in the GOOD/BAD thing..

Personal I think for us in Sweden its no turnaround, IF we want to drive our cars, we better prepare us for E85 and further in the future pure meth..

 

[It's just a six]

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Now your talking,he should be running pure meth,he can turn up the boost,not detonate.
More power & can run higher initial compression ratio= better driveability on the street.

 

[420]

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I've decided at this point that if my current build does not make enough power, I will be going to 100% methanol. I will be able to shead the entire intercooler system, and make more power to boot

 

[fivetodrive]

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The hardest thing to figure out is what pump to use... I have read that the walbro's will not take it, but the aeromotive will and also that they will not. The Weldon's will but they are $400.00... I would be willing to pay $200 for a pump but I dont want to do it twice... Especially since I am going to convert my mustang to it as well...

 

[420]

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From everyone I've spoken to, I wouldn't put an Aeromotive fuel pump in my lawn mower, much less one of our trucks...

 

[JSM]

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The hardest thing to figure out is what pump to use... I have read that the walbro's will not take it, but the aeromotive will and also that they will not. The Weldon's will but they are $400.00... I would be willing to pay $200 for a pump but I dont want to do it twice... Especially since I am going to convert my mustang to it as well...

That is a cheap weldon for $400.

They are usually 800+. I bought mine used from Nolan for just shy of $400 I believe.

Nice thing is the quality is A+ and it can be fully rebuilt.

They are noisy and require a lot of extra plumbing, filters, etc.

 

[turbodig]

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The hardest thing to figure out is what pump to use... I have read that the walbro's will not take it, but the aeromotive will and also that they will not. The Weldon's will but they are $400.00... I would be willing to pay $200 for a pump but I dont want to do it twice... Especially since I am going to convert my mustang to it as well...

The E85 walbros will take it. You'd just need a couple (maybe 3) of them.

As someone said, the market will come up with a really high-volume in-tank E85 capable pump soon...