Billet input drum for 700r4 *SPLIT* - concern about CK perf

[jwaller]

*edited by SyTyArchives here-> ( this is split from http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31544 )

what do ya know my posts get deleted again....and I bet I know who does it.

well I really don't care. bc I know the whole story behind this chris guy and what he's all about. so good luck to those of you who get anything from him.

 

[4C FED]

opcorn:

 

[myclone]

what do ya know my posts get deleted again....and I bet I know who does it.

well I really don't care. bc I know the whole story behind this chris guy and what he's all about. so good luck to those of you who get anything from him.

Im not deleting your posts and I will check into the matter to make sure if its happening that it stops.

That being said if you have information to contribute to this thread be it negative or positive please do so. If not then do us all a favor and keep comments like that out of the tech areas.

Thank you.

 

[myclone]

Waller, I deleted your last post as IMO it is just a poke in the eye at George and unsubstantiated negative comments about CK Performance. If you have personal issues with George the tech areas are not where throwing punches belongs.

If you can provide proof (links, your own dealings, or other credible means) that CK Performance is less than an honest vendor I have zero problem with letting that information remain. Negative personal opinions or vendor bashing just to satisfy personal vendettas(sp?) do NOT count nor do they help anyone. I hope I make myself clear on this.

No one deleted any of your posts as far as the mods know up until now. Granted the board has issues as of late as we all know so I wont go so far to say it didnt happen but if it did previous to this then it was not intentionally done by a moderator.

 

[jwaller]

you know dave we go back a long way. and it's my opinion that if this community is goin to buck up and spend countless thousands of dollars then those questions I posed should be asked of ANY part being offered.

why in gods name would you want to spend 600-800 dollars on a part that has yet to even be made. with a vender who has never worked on a syty?

once again I am in total amazement as to the reason why you yourself would not ask for those things from a vender. I stand behind my work 1000%. if something isnt right I make it right.

in no way did anything I said EVER mention george. he's just the middle man in the scheme to defraud.

why would you want to spend your money with this guy who is contantly being trashed on every single board he goes on?

 

[jwaller]

shall I mention george? ok I will. take a look at his super torque drive crap. look here for all the proof you need.


http://turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105243

even his new buddy chris at ck performance tell it like it is.

another pipe dream made of crap. and I told all you not to waste your money...all serious trans builders knew it was crap but when I warned ppl....it was deleted... now heres your proof. how many of them have died? countless..

 

[kwick6]

in no way did anything I said EVER mention george. he's just the middle man in the scheme to defraud.

scheme to defraud eh? WOW. ROFL.

George , the middle man in the scheme to defraud.... I can tell you, that you might want to consider those comments a little. George is one of the best people I've met in the 4 years of owning my typhoon. He has spent countless hours helping others, without any return because of his good nature. You have no idea how far you are from the truth. Don't say things about people you know nothing about , and stop with the BS comments that are probably just the voices of Brian Hartman. If he is the one telling you to write this stuff about CK, then now I understand.... :fist:

why would you want to spend your money with this guy who is contantly being trashed on every single board he goes on?

whos bashing who?
http://turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111226&highlight

thats a really good first post over on turbobuick.com, where Chris is in high regard. Your really looking like a fool.

 

[jwaller]

scott. looks don't matter. I could care less. I am trying to find out the truth behind the products. so far the converters and the torque drive has turned out to be less than ideal. so what next?

I'm glad that george has helped you. Thats what I expect any good owner/friend to do.

simply ask the questions that need to be asked. thats all(not bashing). don't get burned. if I can't get him to answer here(bc they were deleted) then I'll go somewhere he will answer them.

and the hartman comment? do you really think so? wow....

scott. I am asking legit questions anyone should ask when doing a major unproven/untested modification. If he cannot answer these simple questions then why would anyone even consider spending a dime on his 700 stuff?

 

[kwick6]

simply ask the questions that need to be asked. thats all. don't get burned. if I can't get him to answer here then I'll go somewhere he will answer them.

If you have questions, why don't you just post them here

 

[jwaller]

chris felt it nessassery to post his selling of 700 parts in 2 places on that board. I went to the one that will be more likly to get a responce since the syty section of the buick board is very small.

 

[kwick6]

chris felt it nessassery to post his selling of 700 parts in 2 places on that board. I went to the one that will be more likly to get a responce since the syty section of the buick board is very small.

Do you feel you'll get a response? Will that post be looked at as a "simple question"? I understand you have concerns, but try to word them a little better.

 

[kwick6]

The very first sentence in your post is what sets it off..........

Sure Chris will say he does a lot of high performance vehicles but from what I've seen and the reputation he has in the industry, he selling you pipedreams and delivering much less.

Don't know why anyone would wanna start a post like that. Where have you heard of his reputation? I'm just wondering, because I would NEVER post anything like that about someone unless something terrible happened to me personally.

If you going off what someone else has informed you, chances are , you don't know the whole story so you shouldn't comment on it.

 

[jwaller]

The very first sentence in your post is what sets it off..........

Sure Chris will say he does a lot of high performance vehicles but from what I've seen and the reputation he has in the industry, he selling you pipedreams and delivering much less.

Don't know why anyone would wanna start a post like that. Where have you heard of his reputation? I'm just wondering, because I would NEVER post anything like that about someone unless something terrible happened to me personally.

If you going off what someone else has informed you, chances are , you don't know the whole story so you shouldn't comment on it.

why go to turbobuick.com and do some serious looking.

 

[Blake]

Waller, if you had some problems with Chris, why didn't you call him?
He's been alerted to what's going on here.
I offered to send money to Chris and he would not take it until the units are done. The input shafts that go into the drums are done. They were done the same time the output shafts were done. There's a lot of money invested already and he hasn't taken a penny.
As far as "my" TDE crap. :-? That is being used by many with success. And there are venders on here that use them without problem in the right setup . If you think those are gonna be installed behind a 950HP enginge making over 900ft/lbs of torque, whoever installed them asked for more than what the product could do. Does that make them crap? No. There were unrealistic expectations in the mind of the installer. With as many as are being sold, some are gonna come back. When they are made in the volume being done, there is gonna be a percentage where there are problems. If they made 50 a year I would EXPECT zero problems.
As far as the buick board or any other board. Right here, on our own board, is a good example. Send me the phone numbers of people you have personally talked to. Not some email correspondance. Someone you actually took the time to talk to and pose questions about manufacture and concerns.
So what about the shambles this thread has been reduced to? Is someone from the Firebird or the Camaro or the Impala forum supposed to be referenced to here now to see the "proof" that Chris is a fraud? That I personally am the middleman to defraud the entire syty community? Somebody has an agenda. No proof of anything has been offered. No names, no instances, nothing. I'm not gonna go searching the internet looking for some guy who had a cousin's brother's sister's uncle that said they heard a buddy got screwed. Grapevine stories destroy the truth and egos and bad attitudes get inserted where rationality should've been. You have to remember that Chris is competition for certain companies. And by having croanies spread out that have nothing to lose to make comments that are unsubstantiated to interject doubt about a person is sad and cowardly. Bullies are chosen with big egos and bad attitudes to foolishly act as mouthpieces for other parties that have something to lose in the name of competition.
I apologize to the moderators again for opening up a topic that allowed certain individuals the forum to deflate any integrity we had here.
I promise not to post anything else concerning transmissions, how they work, what products are available, techniques or anything else that guys like Waller can deface and throw in "doubt". Doubt is something that can be interjected with any proof. "Because I said so" is not proof.

My phone number is on here and anyone that wanted a video or help with their tranny can contact me. My help is FREE.
Did Waller win by running me off? No, I'm not running off. But I will protect the community's interest in having a place they can go to without drama. opcorn:
:-?
That's all this crap is is drama. Nothing. BS.
Sorry again guys. Didn't know Waller was gonna pull this stunt again.
PM me Waldo cause I'm not gonna get in a personal fight with you in public on such a stupid issue as this.
As far as getting any of this equipment, Waller, don't you worry, you will be protected from getting any garbage from CKPerformance.
Keep on burning those bridges, John Waller.
George

 

[jwaller]

I had also talked to chris and he refused to take my money until the product was done and he had it in his hand.
Nolan

well nolan I'm glad he wouldn't take your money until it was done. I'm sure when it's done he will be more than happy to take your money. but where is the testing? Prove it works. then and only then will I be convinced this is nothing more than a hack job.

explain to me blake how this thing is supposed to work. how is this clutch setup goin to happen.


answer the questions. stop slinging mud. Prove the system.

blake, your buddy chris has come out in public and discredited the TD system.
why oh why would you doubt him?
did he not build it right?
was he at fault?
if so why would you ask him to do these drums?

 

[10secTy]

http://turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111226

Go here for more info.

On a side note I pushed this thru with Blake. If you want you can all wait till I have a chance to test the drum in my own truck. The snow melts here around april. The reason Chris signed up was to answer questions people have about the drums. So Please just ask the questions and only the questions no need for all the other bullshit thrown in with them.


Nolan

 

[jwaller]

I could be wrong. but I think testing is a nessassery part of devlopment. and I'd prefer to test something myself before I began selling it to the public.

How about we get CKperf to donate a input drum and george you provide your best converter, and you put the whole thing together. and put it in a really fast truck.

How about Les's truck. it's the fastest thing around with a 700. and if it holds up to him beating the piss out of it for a season then I'll be convinced, but probably not until then.

 

[myclone]

you know dave we go back a long way. and it's my opinion that if this community is goin to buck up and spend countless thousands of dollars then those questions I posed should be asked of ANY part being offered.

Waller, Ive known you for a few years and bought some parts off of you a while back. To say we are the bestest buds would be stretching it a little but I dont see where how long Ive known who you is relative to anything here. However, I deleted your post and out of respect gave you the reason why instead of just tossing all togeather with nothing said. I didnt delete it out of spite but due to the way you were bashing CK. I noticed it along with other mods that you asked 5% valid questions and the rest was nothing but taking various opportunities to bad mouth CK in the form of a question.

in no way did anything I said EVER mention george. he's just the middle man in the scheme to defraud.

That right there is the kind of statement that gets exactly what accomplished? George would not knowingly be a part of any "scheme" to defraud anyone period but the way you said it makes it look like he is a willing partner in some type of conspiracy to rob the syty community of money which couldnt be further from the truth.

[moderator hat off]

John, I tell ya... I dont know how else to spell it out for you other than 95% of what you said in your post that I deleted either had a derogatory slant on it or was flat out derogatory. If you dont understand that then I dont know what to tell you. However, I can tell you that its pretty easy to ask questions about parts with out using the word "garbage, junk, pipe dreams", etc and youll prolly get way more info and less of a flame fest.

If you call something of mine "junk" then I can assure you that when you want to know something about it Im not really gonna be inclined to share anything with you as IMO you would have already formed an opinion based on your previous comments. Why would I waste my time telling you anything? Thats just an example but think about it for a minute.

Lastly, when was the last time something was made that didnt require some testing or some bugs to be worked out? Jesus, its a new part that will require some ppl to possibly step up and try it out. If you dont want to then thats fine but why on earth are you labelling it "garbage" before the parts are even tried? If that was the case NONE of us would have ever tried the 9/11 TC, Ultimate chip, etc and we'd all still be running 13s. [moderator hat on]

 

[Blake]

How about we get CKperf to donate a input drum and george you provide your best converter, and you put the whole thing together. and put it in a really fast truck.

How about Les's truck. it's the fastest thing around with a 700. and if it holds up to him beating the piss out of it for a season then I'll be convinced, but probably not until then.

How about you build it? You know soooo much. You've built sooo many fast trucks. Is Les running yours? No? Hmmm. Well, I'm sure you could hook him up with a free one to beat on for a season. Right? You do stuff for free?
Now don't use any of that CK Performance garbage. Oh, that's right.... <sarcasm on> There's not gonna be any CK performance garbage because it's all part of an elaborate scheme to defraud the organization orchestrated by myself on behalf of Chris.<sarcasm off> Yes, John, I take it personally when you tell everyone I'm running a scam.

I've seen the thread on Turbobuick. It's embarassing, John.
I like the end where you realize you've gone too far and actually say that you would put the product into your customers' trucks if you were convinced it was a good product. You think a vender is gonna do something for you after you accused them of what you have and attacked them the way you have? What were you talking about "timing" in the input drum for? You know better than that. Who's pulling your puppet strings? Your an internet bully. You sit behind your keyboard and do nothing for this community besides offer sarcasm. You want the design for the input drum? What are you gonna do with it? I know what your up to. I'm not telling you anything.

I'm still waiting on all those phone numbers for people that you personally spoken with that have been screwed by CK performance. You haven't answered a single question I pm'd you. A " :wink: " isn't gonna do it.

I can't believe the level this has dropped to. I would hope a mod would lock this instead of moving it as it has no real merit now.

John, if you really wanted to know, why didn't you just ask Chris? He gave you his number and you refused to call. You said you didn't want to hear "endless babble". Do you think you retain any credibility when you say stuff like that? I hope people on here see this crap and can get something out of it more than just entertainment. I'm not gonna respond to this anymore. Your arguments are unfounded and endless. It's like arguing with a 4th grader. Here....."I know you are but what am I?"
I gave you my phone number, never heard from you. Call me Monday. Don't bother my familty today, I'm at work. My son has some medical problems and if he's asleep, I don't want you bothering him. You can educate me then on "all" your wisdom on how to build a really fast truck. Oh, I gotta buy something first? :lol:

For you other guys that were genuinely interested, I will send each one of you a number to call and send you some pics and stuff what I think of it after I run it in my truck as well. I'll give driveability and how it was installed. My last post on this. If Waldo responds, it will be strictly to hear himself talk. You've brought out the worst in me, John. Are congratulations in order? If the mods want to boot me for running a scam, have at it. Every time something like this comes up, you get involved, the thread gets split, locked, stuff gets deleted, you unjustly accuse people of stuff and destroy any legitimacy of the conversation. If you treat everyone like you type on here, you are a lonely man.

 

[jwaller]

I have always tried to help anybody that I have come across (I've given away my build list to numerous ppl for free). I have said I'd use his product if he could demonstrate it's worth, but without any proof on his part and him not even having the respect for the syty community to even show his face and offer any defence of his product...that tells me he doesn't give a single ounce of credit to us. he has only stopped in here 1 time and that was to sell his product.


Timing of the input drum? do you not understand that when you replace a mechanical sprag that applies in a milisecond that you had better get that exact same milisecond responce from the new clutch setup. and frankly I don't see it happening. if those 2 things don't happen at the exact same time clutches burn. it's that simple.

Nobody is pulling strings. I've been doin trannies for these trucks for yrs with ten's of thousands of miles on them. what have you done? and what was it in?

I want the design for the drum? ya I'd like to know how he plans on doin it. but guess what I know of 2 other companies that have already agreed to do it. but they are not goin to do it without the proper testing and work behind it.

The ppl that have ben screwed by ck? ya there are plenty but for their protection I will not mention them by name, but suffice it to say they were all GN ppl. Ask chris how many of those 200r drums he got back when they begin to fail. ask him how many he got back when ppl simply got a look at his quality and sent them back without ever using them.

I have no reason to call chris. he would only rant and rave just as you have done here and in pm's. if he can't defend his product to the ppl who want to buy it then he's got a real problem. I will only call him when I'm ready to order one.

I am sorry your son is sick I havn't a problem with him. I do have a problem with ppl that come on here trying to market a product that hasn't been tested, asking us to front him the cost of production.