Cant get starter out
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SeattleSy#1255
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Re: Cant get starter out
try getting to the turbo oil return line on the block under there. major pain..
i agree with Jimmy, you just have to work it.
try getting to the turbo oil return line on the block under there. major pain..
i agree with Jimmy, you just have to work it.
VermontTy
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Re: Cant get starter out
Ever turn the key and just have click, click, click, click? The purple wire that mounts to the small post on the starter solenoid, and triggers the solenoid to fire runs right by the downpipe. Eventually, it detioriates, or heat soaks after driving a while, and the resistance through the wire is too high to allow ample current to trigger the solenoid, and you get the click click click. HERE is the fix for it. If it hasn't happened yet, it will eventually, and now is as good a time as any to tackle the job.
Ever turn the key and just have click, click, click, click? The purple wire that mounts to the small post on the starter solenoid, and triggers the solenoid to fire runs right by the downpipe. Eventually, it detioriates, or heat soaks after driving a while, and the resistance through the wire is too high to allow ample current to trigger the solenoid, and you get the click click click. HERE is the fix for it. If it hasn't happened yet, it will eventually, and now is as good a time as any to tackle the job.
turbodog
Donating Member
Re: Cant get starter out
Also, R&R of starter is a lot easier with the torque converter cover off. Unfortunately, that generally also means pulling the front propshaft to get to one of the screws. But, only the first time. Leave that screw off and in the future the TC cover can be removed without pulling the propshaft. Of course, if you follow the advice above (mini starter and/or purple wire fix and/or remote solenoid) you should never have to do it again.
Also, R&R of starter is a lot easier with the torque converter cover off. Unfortunately, that generally also means pulling the front propshaft to get to one of the screws. But, only the first time. Leave that screw off and in the future the TC cover can be removed without pulling the propshaft. Of course, if you follow the advice above (mini starter and/or purple wire fix and/or remote solenoid) you should never have to do it again.
PPI Typhoon
DIY Madman
Re: Cant get starter out
I've done that so many times now, I can do R&R in less than 10 minutes. How sad is that?
I've done that so many times now, I can do R&R in less than 10 minutes. How sad is that?
ItsMyTy
Life is beter at 25 PSI
Re: Cant get starter out
i can't be the only one that doesn't believe in the purple wire bs
the starter solenoid fries sitting next to the downpipe, that's it
the purple wire fix may work for a little while, but unless it's shorted to ground, wires don't just magically partially fail. yea the purple insulation may be brown from the heat, but what's that gonna do to copper stranded wire?
get a CVR mini starter with insulated solenoid for a permanent fix
i can't be the only one that doesn't believe in the purple wire bs
the starter solenoid fries sitting next to the downpipe, that's it
the purple wire fix may work for a little while, but unless it's shorted to ground, wires don't just magically partially fail. yea the purple insulation may be brown from the heat, but what's that gonna do to copper stranded wire?
get a CVR mini starter with insulated solenoid for a permanent fix
turbodog
Donating Member
Re: Cant get starter out
Nothing 'magic' about it, simple chemistry, physics and metallurgy.
1. Resistance of wire goes up with temperature.This effect is temporary. It returns to normal upon cool-down, but can -and will- contribute to a 'click-no-start' on a hot engine. Heavier guage wire will compensate for this effect.
2, Plastic insulator decomposes at high temperature, allowing increased oxygen contact with wire. Oxidization rate increases with increasing temperature. Copper oxide is non-conductive, so as the wire oxidizes, its resistivity increases, which takes us back to #1.
When I pulled my purple wire, the insulation adjacent to the down-pipe was pretty much gone, and the wire strands were so thin and brittle I could break the wire easily with one twist.
However I agree that the solenoid cooking (which, by the way, is the same failure mechanism as above - degradation of the copper field windings- inside the solenoid) is also part of the problem and should be addressed. I chose the remote solenoid route.
ItsMyTy said:
Nothing 'magic' about it, simple chemistry, physics and metallurgy.
1. Resistance of wire goes up with temperature.This effect is temporary. It returns to normal upon cool-down, but can -and will- contribute to a 'click-no-start' on a hot engine. Heavier guage wire will compensate for this effect.
2, Plastic insulator decomposes at high temperature, allowing increased oxygen contact with wire. Oxidization rate increases with increasing temperature. Copper oxide is non-conductive, so as the wire oxidizes, its resistivity increases, which takes us back to #1.
When I pulled my purple wire, the insulation adjacent to the down-pipe was pretty much gone, and the wire strands were so thin and brittle I could break the wire easily with one twist.
However I agree that the solenoid cooking (which, by the way, is the same failure mechanism as above - degradation of the copper field windings- inside the solenoid) is also part of the problem and should be addressed. I chose the remote solenoid route.
SY2932
Administrator
Re: Cant get starter out
Call it BS if you like but, both my bud and I were both having the dreaded "hot start" problems with our trucks until I installed a remote starter solenoid and removed the purple wire from the equation on both our trucks. That was over three years ago and guess what? NO problems ever since and we both REUSED our OLD starters. We DID NOT REPLACE THEM must have been a fluke that it fixed both our trucks... If you have more money than patience to install a remote solenoid, just buy a new starter to "fix" the problem.
"A burnt purple wire source of "hot start" problems."
"DIY Soild copper jumpers to eliminate purple wire on remote starter solenoid."
"Jumpered starter solenoid to end the "hot start" problems. My truck as well as my bud's has NEVER had a problem starting after this mod and we are both still using the SAME starter that was giving us problems before. Three years now and counting..."
"Conrad F492G remote starter solenoid mounted up so that the purple wire that used to go to the solenoid on the starter could be deleted. "
ItsMyTy said:
Call it BS if you like but, both my bud and I were both having the dreaded "hot start" problems with our trucks until I installed a remote starter solenoid and removed the purple wire from the equation on both our trucks. That was over three years ago and guess what? NO problems ever since and we both REUSED our OLD starters. We DID NOT REPLACE THEM must have been a fluke that it fixed both our trucks... If you have more money than patience to install a remote solenoid, just buy a new starter to "fix" the problem.
"A burnt purple wire source of "hot start" problems."
"DIY Soild copper jumpers to eliminate purple wire on remote starter solenoid."
"Jumpered starter solenoid to end the "hot start" problems. My truck as well as my bud's has NEVER had a problem starting after this mod and we are both still using the SAME starter that was giving us problems before. Three years now and counting..."
"Conrad F492G remote starter solenoid mounted up so that the purple wire that used to go to the solenoid on the starter could be deleted. "
Re: Cant get starter out
anything copper or wire loses conductivity after being cycled and overheated for extended periods....that's why we run into issues so often with our cap and rotors even if they look perfectly fine.....they get used up....
that purple wire is way closer to the downpipe than the solenoid is.....I still believe the stock purple wire causes issues that can be fixed by replacing it.....
I have a cvr starter in one truck and a 96 454 3/4 ton starter on another and they both appear to be a better choice than the big slow stocker than our trucks come with......you gotta love the cvr though....really cool sounding and doesnt take much energy to spin......
just my :2cents:
ItsMyTy said:
anything copper or wire loses conductivity after being cycled and overheated for extended periods....that's why we run into issues so often with our cap and rotors even if they look perfectly fine.....they get used up....
that purple wire is way closer to the downpipe than the solenoid is.....I still believe the stock purple wire causes issues that can be fixed by replacing it.....
I have a cvr starter in one truck and a 96 454 3/4 ton starter on another and they both appear to be a better choice than the big slow stocker than our trucks come with......you gotta love the cvr though....really cool sounding and doesnt take much energy to spin......
just my :2cents: