Considering a Syclone....

Andy 94SC

New member
I have been toying with the idea of selling My T-bird SC and getting a Lightning (sorry guys.) But this weekend while visiting my parents we drove by a truck I thougth looked like a Syclone.

I started thinking I might like that better than the Lightning so we went back to look at it. It seemed a bit odd. There is a for sale sign in the window, but it has no phone number, or price. It was parked in front of a body shop/ junkyard that wasn't open, so I am planning on calling them Monday to find out more.

It did NOT say Syclone anywhere on the body (doors or tailgate) Aren't they all supposed to have that? Or is the Syclone graphic just a sticker that might peel off? It did have a rather faded sticker on the drivers door piece that looked like it said "Zoo York" The drivers door looked like it had been replaced, it was orange peeled while the rest of the paint was fairly smooth.It had the right wheels, and it had ground effects, but they didn't seem to fit right, the rear drivers side part was sort of hanging off. Might these be aftermarket ground effects someone might have used to fix a damaged truck? The body seemed fairly straight, and rustfree, the interior was pretty clean, but had an aftermarket radio and some sort of amplifier mounted between the seats. I couldn't see much underneath. the frame had some surface rust, but nothing unusual.

I looked inside, it did have Syclone on the seats, and the boost gage in the cluster. About 55k miles on it. One thing that sort of worried me is that the VIN tag was kind of scratched up. Does that happen if windshields are replaced on these? Also I know thet special rivets are usually used to hold VIN tags on, to try to stop chop shops. These rivets were the sort of star shaped ones, but they were silver colored. I compared them with the ones on My T-bird, and My dads 2002 ZR2, which were both smaller and black in color, but still star shaped. Can one of you check yours and let me know if they used silver ones on Syclones? Since it has had obvious body work, I am worried about someone trying to swap VINs on it to pass off a S-15 as a totalled Syclone. BTW the last 4 of the vin are 2004, Anyone familiar with thir particular truck in Michigan?

Anyone want to guess on a fair price from this description? Probably tough to guess since I wasn't able to get inside, look underneath, or hear it run. Since it is obviously not on original condition I was kind of hoping I might pick it up sort of cheap as a semi-restoration project.
 

Thrillhouse

New member
Carfax is your friend.

Run the VIN and see what comes up

Though if I were you I'd just walk away, the thing sounds like its been wrecked and badly put back together. If you can't get it for cheap, don't bother.
 

100in6

100in6
pretty easy to tell if it has a intercooled and turbocharged motor. also look underneath and see if it has a propshaft for the awd
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Many people take the stickers off. Most likely if it has all the SyTy parts, cladding, interior, motr, it is a Syty, but I would always check the VIN before you buy any syty. It usually costs too much to convert a regular s-series.
 

Andy 94SC

New member
DynaGlide said:
The CCHE is a good way to tell one too.

Where in Michigan are you?

What is the CCHE?

I am in Fenton MI, a little bit south of Flint.

It was locked up, with no one around, and not even any contact info. I couldn't take a look under the hood. I couldn't see much from underneath because it was so low, lower than my T-bird, and it was parked in a muddy parking lot. All I could see was a little cooler sticking out below the center of the front bumper, but I don't know if this would be the intercooler radiator, or possibly a transmission cooler.

I ran the free carfax, it did confirm it is a Syclone VIN, and there are 4 records. If I find out the price is low enough for me to consider I'll order the detailed report. I don't really trust Carfax a whole lot though, I ran all of my cars through it, it told me that my '94 SC had a "supercharged V8 Engine" rather than the 3.8L V6, and my 1986 ASC Mclaren has no records at all on carfax, it could not tell me anything.

If it does turn out to be a rough one, that might even be OK if the price is right, then I could drive it daily and not feel guilty.

Thanks for the opinions guys, keep 'em coming.
 

hamrhead

Donating Member
[quote="Andy 94SC]

What is the CCHE?



All I could see was a little cooler sticking out below the center of the front bumper

[/quote]

That would be it. Charge Coolant Heat Exchanger.

I always wanted a T-Bird SC. Drove a couple but never purchased. Nice cars, though I hear they're pricey to maintain. Come to think of it, so are Sy/Ty's. :roll:
 

Andy 94SC

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I just spoke with someone there on it. They are asking $12.5k. It was in a "light roll over accident" and they had replaced the left door, left fender, hood, and roof panel. The guy claimed it was running good though.

I'm going to have to think about this one. That is much more than what I was hoping to pay for a wrecked truck....

Oh, Thanks for clearing up the CCHE term. That makes sense. On the SC it is called the CAC - Charge Air Cooler, so I should have put that together.

To the guy asking about the SC, they can be expensive to maintain. But I have been lucky, or have been making my own luck. The only major repairs I have needed are a new radiator (the tanks are plastic and tend to break under pressure) and a bad alternator. I think a lot of times they get a bad reputation from folks who dont take the time required, or expect a forced induction vehicle to behave like a N/A one. Some guys have head gasket problems, but the newer ones don't seem to. The distributorless ignition can also be difficult to fix, but is actually quite reliable, especially on the newer ones.
 

bdubb

I am teh kingpin!
Thrillhouse said:
Carfax is your friend.

Run the VIN and see what comes up

Though if I were you I'd just walk away, the thing sounds like its been wrecked and badly put back together. If you can't get it for cheap, don't bother.

carfax is far from a friend. those fucks have more mis info, then truthful info.
 

Ty0279

Historically Significant
Andy 94SC said:
I just spoke with someone there on it. They are asking $12.5k. It was in a "light roll over accident" and they had replaced the left door, left fender, hood, and roof panel. The guy claimed it was running good though.

I'm going to have to think about this one. That is much more than what I was hoping to pay for a wrecked truck....

"light roll over accident" :roll:

$12.5k...?... :eek: I'd offer 'em half that.

Walk away, dude. Walk away.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Ty0279 said:
"light roll over accident" :roll:

$12.5k...?... :eek: I'd offer 'em half that.

Walk away, dude. Walk away.

For $12.5K you can buy a pretty nice Syclone with reasonable miles. Run away from this one!!!!
 

Andy 94SC

New member
Eluding said:
I'd say $4,000 would be about right.

You know that is EXACTLY the price I had in mind before I actually talked to them. I am planning on giving them another call to see if they will come down a LOT on price. According to Edmunds.com the market value of an average condition Syclone with that mileage is about $8k, then factoring in the accident I would expect a few thousand less. If they want to stick with the price and sit on it, I'll throw up the Phone number for anyone else here to give it a try.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Andy 94SC said:
Eluding said:
I'd say $4,000 would be about right.

You know that is EXACTLY the price I had in mind before I actually talked to them. I am planning on giving them another call to see if they will come down a LOT on price. According to Edmunds.com the market value of an average condition Syclone with that mileage is about $8k

$4k is cheap for a SyTy. Edmunds is joke, $8K for average condition 50K mile Syclone is not the average price, recently many of us have paid $11-14K for mid mileage Sy (including myself)
 

Andy 94SC

New member
Actually A friend of mine the the SC club had a Carfax account. It is showing with not problems in it's history at all. It also says there were only two titles issued (two owners). The second one was issued in April 2002 in the town where it is for sale now. Sounds like the original owner wrecked it and the body shop bought it to fix or something.
 
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