DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

[mhoover]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

matt

fwiw
I kinda doubt the detonation bent the rods but perhaps the force lifted the heads.

then water filled the cylinders

water wont compress so the rods bend and the cylinder walls crack under pressure.

hence the need for another block.

ed

there was no water anywhere, other than where is supposed to be. had something to do with the rod bearing goin bad that caused the damged to the block. dont know all the details for sure but water wasnt the cause. as for the rods, we really dont know? but we have 6 new ones now!

matt, you guys thought about upgrading that intercooler yet? also, since you run on pure c16, no reason to keep the compression under 10:1. Thats definately one huge regret i have on my motor, cause i have seen what a difference it makes with higher compression. i would love to see you guys build a motor with some good heads, but right now it seems like the motor is already making enough power to stay ahead of Ed.. lol <sorry ed, just had too >

whats up with callahan? maybe this year?

to be honest, no. havent really thought about changing anything till we get the truck running straight. all i know about our head is that they are brodix. dont know jack crap about em! i know we have some "8.90 ET heads" if the dang driver could get the dang truck to go straight! :rotf:

ya never know with callahan? i dont think he's in any hurry to get finished. pretty patient with the build and getting everyting right. he did send me some pictures the other day of his stock truck with the HRE's we had on our truck, which we originally got from him years ago. made me kinda want em back!

isnt it about time we see some of the other trucks get on down in the 9s? hint hint ed

MATT

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

isnt it about time we see some of the other trucks get on down in the 9s? hint hint ed

Hey Matt your absolutly right about that hahaha

After a lot of work and some missfortune happenings (last thing the turbo started to leak oil into the downtube) and now the repaired turbo is on its place, and Robert is ready to take the Sy to the streets for mapping and tuning this weekend..

hopefull its going to bee good, warm and sunny weather

And there are still snow left in corners and deep shadow aerias !!!!!!!! but its been a warm 17`Celsius the last days so

2 weeks for the first possible test n´tune trac opening .. cant wait to see the results of all Roberts efforts

Hoping for duplicating your nrs Matt maybee an 8 sec pas on some good trac sooon

Yiehaaa

 

[ed hess]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

sorry i've been away from here and not making many runs.

y'all probably read we ran a 9.84 on my last license run. we did this with a low 1.6 60 ft and low boost, like 19 actual.

truck kept wanting to go left so hard at 100foot out that you couldnt drive thru it.

problem had gotten so bad i woulndt run the left lane.

since i had never left with both hands on the wheel we added a bracket to the steering wheel for the line lock button. thought maybe as i was bringing my right hand from the shiofter to the wheel i might be making the wheel turn left.

so on the 1st run with the line lock button on the wheel dont ya know the truck went right instead.

with this kind of power you just have to lift and forget it when it happens... pretty violent!

turns out the lockrite in the front dif was broken. putting a different dif into the the front dif assembly since a lockrite wont take the abuse.

so I am still waiting for the thumb to heal and get the front dif back in .

I seemed to have managed to either break the joint or something in my thumb on my right hand while tightening the harness before a run. kinda weird but anyway.

we hope to start making runs again soon.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

Ed sorry about your thumb, great hear you seems to have power to give Hoover a match, "Just" solve the problems with the broken diff and the chassie settings. AND be ready for the end of this summer, IF all is good and in order Robert still wants to take his SY over the ocean to go a round fort the "champion title" amongst SY/ty´s

I´ll keep my Thumbs for a world top meeting this year.. Robert vs Hoover vs Ed Hess, hope there will bee more low nine sec cars this summer so the list bee full of challengers for this quest

 

[100in6]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

you guys think a 9.3 running on concrete with a baby launch will get my little creation invited to the party? i guarantee on a real racetrack it'll knock right on that 9 flat door for sure. in fact i just made it faster today if air freight gets the stuff there quick enough. we should get a headstart though being it's only a typhoon... (oh well... i tried... :rotf: ) i guess coming to america would be a problem being that the season in poland is so short. but maybe sometime it'll get to line up with robert in europe. that would be a good race.

 

[vtg]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

On 23-25 June there is event named King of Europe http://www.streetracingmania.com/english/drag.html So there should be achance to race our ty with Robert's sy.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

Robert has solved all problems with the new setup and is determent to defent his title down in chimey´n in belgium.. the King of the Street awd.. and as the first smooth start on a highroad points to a even faster Sy than he had before

Yes he has allready made reservations and register for race there... so for the polish Ty to meet Robert its only to.. "bee there or bee squere"

Oh a chance even att Emaboda in Sweden soon. some wery fast Polish cars have been invited to this race/test.. Robert IS NOT invited and has not been registerd for it due to tuning problems , the Ty is ?? or not to come there???

The Poland season chould bee longer than the Swedish They are alor more south of sweden down in central europe.. and If the test goes whell the Sy is werry likely to hit the US race this autum..

This is great, at least 2 syclone´s and a Race?? Ty is in the brick of "hitting" the 8 passes..

Should have been realy fun IF the ty had a V6 also. Only G*D knows what Hoover or Robert could have done with an V8 under the hood..

 

[100in6]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

oh trust me... barring any unforseen problems the ty will be at king of europe.. :tup: and faster than ever before. (parts are in the airplane as we speak... :tup: )

regarding the v6 v8 thing, believe me. the v8 is nothing all that exotic. i could build 4 of these v8's for what one of the fast guys are running in the v6's. anyway, at this level what does it really matter. none of these things came with 4L80's or giant turbos, aluminum heads or any of the stuff they all have. at this level isn't it really just a question of picking your poison so to speak on how you want to go fast? anything fairly stockish that runs in the 10's is kickin butt, but if you want to run like jim and matt, or ed, or robert or maxtor or mike lee or any of the other fast syty's the basic perscription is just throw everything out and start over. that's not me tryin to be a wise guy cause jim and matt are both friends of mine as is ed and a lot of others, but when it's time to line up we all wanna win. i think the ty has a really good shot at winning a lot of races and it is AWD. our goal was never to be the fastest syty anyway, just to break the Polish record which we did. now we are trying to go in the 8' and we are close. as for the ty, the guys in Poland and i we chose to do it with a v8 because we wanted as much power as we could get without spending the amount it would take to build a top notch v6 like ed's or jims and hopefully have good longevity. trust me... neither of those guys care about what's under the hood. they just want to be across the line first. we're all chasing jim and matt right now but all of these things are fast rides. i for one would love to see how the ty would do on a real dragstrip with trackbite and water boxes but they don't have those in poland. it ran 9.36 but it was launched easy because of the concrete with the grass growing in the lines between the concrete pieces. on i real race track it just HAS to go faster. we just don't know how much... it should be a fun time getting a couple of the fastest together. too bad it's not in the USA but i'm sure there will be a lot of video cameras around when it happens.

don't blink...

 

[TT350]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

If you don’t mind me asking how much
spray are you putting on it and why?

I’m with you on the V8 vs V6 thing.
My money goes faster with two more holes

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

Ok 100in6 I thought the idea was to bee as close as possible to the stock sy/ty when hitting the record stream

Yes Robert have the "exoptic" V6 aftermarket block and the alu heads AND the 4L80e trans (just guess how much troble and testing and rebuilding Robert done to make first the Th700r4/4L60e to live in the power range and then do the same work with the 4L80e trans??NOT go the Th400 step).

He was somehow told "na when you drop the AC you dont have a sy anymore"

And now it does´nt matter if you put an V8 and Th400 and fibreglass body on it JUST breake the record??? How fair is this??

Dont you think bouth Matt and Ed and Robert have chosen to build on an V8 because off the lower costs IF the "Unwrithen" rules have so stated???

And the wheight of this Ty? what could it bee??

Its so "easy" to take a car/truck and just cut out everything not needed save wheight and put in the largest affordably engine and do sweet time´s,
But do that with the same amount of cylinders same type trans (Od) and same wheigt as the orginal car(even hevier because safety equipment) is another story.. speled MONEY yes for sure, its the money and the dedication in the mission and how much you want to saccrify to reach the goal..

Then you have to compete on basis off the "same rules"

Yes the polish Ty is fast, and Robert is going down to belgium, hope the Ty is too, I realy want to see a race with the two side by side

Robert did take the Sy down in the 9.7x sec times and Hoover (among others folowed) then Hoovers did take the Sy´s down to 9.0x All this on a V6 with a turbo.. Now comes a car with V8 turbo and NOS and goes fast how fast not clear yet..

But when the other guys do the NOS "dance" with "Just" the V6 we´ll see the difference in time slips and engine cylinders comparasy.. (yes Robert the biggest "No NOS" guy, have to have nos on now, to compete in the King of Europe contest, on equal terms ;D)

The Polish Ty is going to have more than Robert to fight in Belgium, those English "plastic bathtubbs and monster engines" is crazy cars and FAST too.

 

[ed hess]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

anders

about this fastest syty record thing.

v8's dont count. PERIOD!

otherwise its pretty much run what ya brung as long as its awd.

the other point you brought up is safety equipment.

I am not sure to what level robert has done all the nhra and sfi ceritfied stuff. but i can tell you that mine is complete.

I have my nhra license.

i beleive matt doesnt have a license, his cage isnt certified since it has no tubes thru the back and is a bolt in.

making the truck nhra certified and legal and having the license does cost money and weight.

doing it without the proper safety stuff and procedure is just plain foolish.

anyway, like i said v8's dont count here.

ed

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

Roberts cage is welded in and is sertified to 7,50 et. all other safety stuff IS on, and truck is still in LEGAL street trim and passed the YEARLY inspection this week.. incredible low CO levels and not remarks on isnpection..

Because his SY IS street driven he got an dispence? (not sure of the word) NOT to have the rear bars thru the backwindow to the rear frame. but this is ONLY as long as its considered NOT a RACE CAR, and still passes the rules from streetcars yearly safety inspecktion from Swedish car safety inspections authories.. ( Svenska bilprovningen.)

Ed glad to se we have the same way of seeing things, BUT Robert would just lowe to meet this Ty, its one he realy would like to leave behind maybe down in Belgium??

Have a nice day to you all, Anders.

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

personally i'd love to see all these 9sec and 8sec hopeful trucks get dynoed. The Ty isn't running some top fuel motor or 6/71'd bbc...I bet its simply making about the same power that the V6 guys are.

There are plenty of V8 syty's out there, many in the works right now. Dunno if any of the ones i know of are shooting for 8s/9s...but some fast trucks are about to start popping up more regularly. The way i see it as an innocent bystander....there should just simply be 4 different classes of "fast" trucks: V6 awd, V6 rwd, V8 awd, and V8 rwd.

They're all dealing with the same crappy aerodynamics. Complaining about lightening up the trucks using fiberglass panels and such - thats a weak argument. Fiberglass is used on the street all the time and saves much weight. Just becuase someone is taking steps to lighten their truck doesn't make them not part of the "race to 8s".

Same goes with nitrous. If thats what someone chooses to use instead of a few more pounds of boost....or to help spool up some huge turbo - who cares. We've all seen plenty of syty's blow heads off while using nitrous. Keeping these things together with nitrous on it is a feat in itself in my opinion.

 

[TT350]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

Well to the SYTY purest a V8 doesn’t count.
But as far as the race for the 8’s there’s not
any rules as far as know. No turbo size limit
NO CID limit No cylinder head limit NO fuel
limit NO weight limit. So until some one puts
together a set of rules with limiting factors
I see it as an outlaw class with no trophy no pay
out.

Now as a vender I would be willing to pay contingence
on a class that was policed with a written set of rules.
With only a handful of venders $700.00-800.00 ant
squat to some one that has the bank to build a 8-sec
V6 especially with some rules to fallow.

If It where me I would put it on methanol and go deep
in the 8’s. It would run cooler make more power no knock
and no intercooler.
There real benefits to running methanol on a turbo application.

 

[100in6]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

this is funny... you guys crack me up. :lol:

''race or get out of the way eh...''

i'm a little confused here. are we talking about racing and race cars and going fast... or are we talking about more stockish syty's? where on the checklist of options for a syty did it say ''do you want an aluminum bowtie block?'' ''do you want twin turbos?'' ''do you want the gm style aluminum heads or the brodix brand?'' ''do you want a stock intake or a sheetmetal one?''... the list goes on and on. it's always funny to me when we all talk about how we wiped out a V8 mustang or vette or something with our ''V6' but whenever anyone puts a V8 in one it's always 'that was a V8'' if you put a big block and all the good stuff in a 55 chevy does that not make it a 55 anymore? of course it's still a 55. it's just not a stock 55. none of these syty's are stock. start in the back and work your way up. does any idiot try to run an unsafe stock rearend with c-clips? (well ... maybe thats a bad example... ) do they have stock shocks? do they have traction bars? do they have big driveshafts and prop shafts? is there ANY parts on one of these exotic V6's that came from the factory? do they run the stock computer? do any of them have a 700? because if all that stuff is a detirmination of who the fastest syclone is then with all due respect to anyone i'm leaving out wouldn't that be phillip? and for what it's worth anders, a 4L80 IS a 400 platform transmission. only difference is that it has an overdrive. but if i remember right it's the same gear ratio's and stuff inside. takes the same torque converter. it is to a 400 what a 700 is to a 4L60E. same basic platform. and i know a little bit about that because if i seem to remember right i used to have the fastest syclone in the world for a while with a stock intake with a 700. until i ran 10.29 had anyone ever gone faster with a 700? i honestly don't remember. i though robert had switched over to the 4L80E by then. heck... the ty doesn't even have aluminum heads. they're just stock... there's no sheet metal intake on it. nothin exotic at all. do we get a special trophy for winning for having the least technology and cheapest motor? :rotf: it is an AWD typhoon with the same great aerodynamics of the other typhoons. it is pretty much full weight just like the stock white on white sittin in my driveway at this very minute.

the polish ty was never meant to be a fast typhoon, it was just meant to be fast. so if that's a concession and makes everybody feel better then there it is. the ty is not stock and it is not a V6. it's just fast. what a discovery! mike is absolutely right. there should be a difference in classes if you're racing as a stockish syty. just like barry bonds will never break babe ruths record. if you want to break the babes record you have to hit a certain number of home runs at a certain number of at bats within a certain number of games. barry didn't do that so how can he break the babes record? will he hit MORE home runs than georgie boy? yep. but he won't really break his record...i always wonder if the guys with race cars that are built on muscle car camaros and have small blocks have this same discussion with the guys that have muscle car camaros with big blocks? the ty was built to go fast and specifically because of the AWD because the tracks in poland are really not tracks at all but airstrips that have grass growing between the concrete slabs and no track prep of any kind. actually concrete is probably worse. it's about as close to street racing as you can get. my polish friends and i had as a goal to break the polish national record which we did. we weren't tryin to break a ty record. and now it's just about going fast. the syty nationals is about fast syty's. regular drag racing is about going fast no matter what you do it with. people put monster big blocks in vegas and you can't even tell what brand a funny car is anymore. it's all about going fast.

so my little ty creation is one you'd really like to leave behind eh... do you think the announcer will say ''the V6 just beat the V8? well good luck. anything can happen in racing. anything can break. how many car lengths do you want to give us because we're only a ty and everyone knows ty's aren't as fast as sy's... :roll: i didn't think so...

but since you brought it up...we'd love nothing better than to leave a certain Swedish sy behind too. so right back at ya with a little friendly competition.. (i hope you meant that as friendly... ) don't go thinkin it's the same ty as last year. that would be a big mistake. it's almost 2 seconds faster. i wish i could remember what the swedish sy ran. the ty went 9.36 at over 150 mph and we're lookin to go about 9 flat and get close to my buddies matt and jim. so if we run about 9 flat and you win we'll both be happy. now don't go puttin too much nitrous through that thing though trying cause those race prepped V6's are a lot more expensive to build than a cheap little V8 and the big joke is that the ty isn't even the fastest street car the polish guys are bringing with them. i'm thinkin it should be a good race if robert can cut a really close light and get out far enough before the ty runs him down on top end. i think it will come down to it cuttin a really close light for the sy... do red lights count over there? :roll:

and Ed... you don't even count. you have a parachute and a professional tuner. did professional tuners come stock on the syty order form?

Gosh.. the ways you guys are carryin on you'd think we all didn't like each other... :rant: take a chill pill and run what ya brung...

 

[Try Me]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

v8's dont count. PERIOD!

Well, if its faster, then its faster... :2cents:

I guess it all boils down to whether you care about what people think, or who has the fastest time and gets over that white line first...

 

[ed hess]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

>>>are we talking about racing and race cars and going fast... <<<

no we arent.

this is about v6 syclones with awd and v6 typhoons with awd going fast.

otherwise since tom ferrick has his 9.50 2wd typhoon collecting dust in favor of running his 2wd ext cab single 104 turbo s10 25.x certified running low 7's then this whole bbs would be a mute point.

fwiw i havent pulled the chute yet, and harry will no doubt appreciate being referred to as a "Professional Tuner".

imho harry could run with the big boys on the nhra circuit but i think for now he prefers to keep his day job which is totally unrelated to racing.

now sombody push that pos v8 typhoon out of the way so we can get on with some real v6 awd racing here. lol

 

[100in6]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

now sombody push that pos v8 typhoon out of the way so we can get on with some real v6 awd racing here. lol [/QUOTE]


POS ty... how special. if we ever get a chance to line up with junk sy of yours after we kick it's ass i'm gonna come over to you and kick your ass you twit...

 

[ed hess]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

now sombody push that pos v8 typhoon out of the way so we can get on with some real v6 awd racing here. lol

POS ty... how special. if we ever get a chance to line up with junk sy of yours after we kick it's ass i'm gonna come over to you and kick your ass you twit... [/QUOTE]

roflmao

 

[TT350]

Re: DOC HOOVER in Steele, MO 3/5/06

:fan: opcorn2: