e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

[supersports10]

ok to start off, i picked the catagory that i thought this belonged in, because this has to do with tuning, and eliminating knock, so feel free to move it, if it doesnt belong here.

ok here goes..... reciently the local gas station started carrying e-85 fuel.

for those of you who dont know, that stands for ethanol 85% minimum, 15% gas.

so i did some investigating, and found several sites, that answer your questons.

now heres the news that you'll like to hear, it's 105 OCTANE!!!!!!!!

now here's the better news,...... 87 gas = $2.37

e-85 fuel = $1.84!!!!!!!!!!!!

so as some of us know ethanol is a fancy name for alcohol, (aka moonshine!!)

so i decided to run it in my jimmy straight,..... no problems

then i put it in my sy at a 50/50 mix, and let me tell you t-3 18 seems like a rocketship!!

oh and one of the questions was.... what would happen if i filled up my regular car with e-85???

answer:..... nothing it would be fine, and run fine.:tup:

now remember ethanol is alcohol, and what does alcohol do to seals and rubber hoses??

erodes them, so they need some help.

all i would suggest is if you want to run this stuff straight in your daily driver, or sy/ty,

i would add 2 oz of marvel mystery oil, in the gas tank, for every 20 gallons.

from know on, i will be running this in all of my cars, and not gas unless it's needed.

also... this is a way cheaper alteranitive to buying xylene, or heet for your alky injection

system. much cheaper, and it will probably work better, and be mory readly available, in

the near future.

SS:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

 

[Timbo]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

Very intriguing. I'm skeptical, since there always seems to be a catch... But I'll look out for it around here.

 

[supersports10]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

Very intriguing. I'm skeptical, since there always seems to be a catch... But I'll look out for it around here.

im being everyones guinnea pig, so if something goes wrong, you will know before you go and try it.

SS

 

[Timbo]

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Thanks. I appreciate that

 

[just a 6]

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I been running my Mitsu Colt on a 50/50 mix for 6 months now without any problem, i tested a 50/50 mix in my Sy and i get less knock then on straight 98 octane.

And for the record there are ppl here in Sweden that been running on 100% E85 for many years without any problem, one thing is that if run on 100% the engine needs about 30% more fuel then normal, so the gas is cheaper but the car/truck is going to be less fuel effective.

If you plan on running 100% you should upgrade to bigger injectors, some ppl have only raised the fp with 30% but i suggest bigger injectors to be on the safe side.

It's 104 octane out of the pump

 

[Tydriver]

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best part is, the money stays here.. Doesnt go to support terrorism like regular DINO fuels. Sure theres part of it thats still 15% dino fuel in it, but imagine if USA reduced its dependency on foreign fuels by 85% what that would do to the war in IRAQ ??

Bad part is, its not available anywhere except in the corn belt states and it does require some modifications to the car to run it in 100% form. The tech school I went to was doing research with the FAA to certify it for use in piston powered airplanes.. The research was mind boggling, it burned soo much cooler and cleaner than dino fuels, there really was no comparison.

I've been a HUGE fan of E85 since its infancy, and always wondered how well it would do in a SYTY application.. I just wish it was available in Indy :-(

 

[supersports10]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

best part is, the money stays here.. Doesnt go to support terrorism like regular DINO fuels. Sure theres part of it thats still 15% dino fuel in it, but imagine if USA reduced its dependency on foreign fuels by 85% what that would do to the war in IRAQ ??

Bad part is, its not available anywhere except in the corn belt states and it does require some modifications to the car to run it in 100% form. The tech school I went to was doing research with the FAA to certify it for use in piston powered airplanes.. The research was mind boggling, it burned soo much cooler and cleaner than dino fuels, there really was no comparison.

I've been a HUGE fan of E85 since its infancy, and always wondered how well it would do in a SYTY application.. I just wish it was available in Indy :-(

give it time... i would guess in 10 years there will be many stations in every state that will have this.

SS:tup:

 

[supersports10]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

when i got the sy the fp was at 50 psi at idle. i turned it down to 43-44 psi at idle.

when i started to use e-85 i turned it back up to 50 psi at idle, just to be safe.

SS

 

[ericguy320]

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since ours are so old maby it dosent matter but this is what GM says.

Customer Interest in E85 Fuel

With the escalating cost of fuel, many customers have inquired if they are able to use E-85 fuel in non-E85 compatible vehicles. Only vehicles designated for use with E85 should use E85 blended fuel. E85 compatibility is designated for vehicles that are certified to run on up to 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. All other gasoline engines are designed to run on fuel that contains no more than 10% ethanol. Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.

Notice: Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.
E85 Compatible Vehicles

The only E85 compatible vehicles produced by General Motors are:
• 2000-2002 S-Series pickups equipped with the 2.2L L43 (VIN code 5) 4 cylinder engine
• 2002-2005 Full-size pickups and utilities equipped with the 5.3L L59 (VIN code Z) V8 engine

All other gasoline and diesel engines including the 5.3L V8 with VIN designators other than the letter Z are NOT E85 compatible.

Notice: All other gasoline and diesel engines including the 5.3L V8 with VIN designators other than the letter Z are NOT E85 compatible. Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.

 

[SEL777]

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Good info here Clint!

 

[sy538]

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I did a little research on ethanol in school, the only undisputed fact I remember finding was that it makes 1 guy in the mid-west VERY rich. Because of the lack of consistent info, I gave up and changed topics.

Not saying either is true, but something to read.
http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm
"about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU".

http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
US Department of Agriculture study concludes that ethanol contains 34% more energy than is used to grow and harvest the corn and distill it into ethanol.

 

[mrweelr]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

Damn, they need to bring that stuff to the People's Republic of California...sounds intriguing.

 

[supersports10]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

almost a week in the jimmy, and the sy now, and both like this fuel very much.

SS

 

[Anthony]

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almost a week in the jimmy, and the sy now, and both like this fuel very much.

SS

Are you running 100% E-85 now?

 

[supersports10]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

`yup full tank of e-85 in the jimmy, and no problems.

i use 4 oz of marvel mystery oil per every 10 gallons of e-85 and it's fine.

SS

 

[Anthony]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

`yup full tank of e-85 in the jimmy, and no problems.

i use 4 oz of marvel mystery oil per every 10 gallons of e-85 and it's fine.

SS

You should try a full tank of E-85 in the sy and let us know what the STerm counts are at various MAPs and RPMs. I'm intersted to know if the stock injectors will keep up on 100% E-85 and 18 psi of boost.

 

[juicehead9]

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I hate to dig up an old post but any one running e-85 right now if so how long and good or bad? Basically can you run this in sy/ty's if so 100% 75% 50% any input please.

 

[Don W.]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

The simple reason for fewer MPG is fewer BTU's per gallon. Less heat "value" means more fuel burned for the same amount of work. In our trucks I suspect the higher octane more than makes up the difference performance wise. You are gonna need more of it though so jacking up the FP would be a good move IMHO.

 

[JSM]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

I know of one syty guy running 50% or more of it. He loves it.

Trucks run cleaner, cooler adn like boost more.

It does require custom tune, don't expect some off the shelf chip to work.

 

[TT350]

Re: e-85 fuel and it's benifits.

`yup full tank of e-85 in the jimmy, and no problems.

i use 4 oz of marvel mystery oil per every 10 gallons of e-85 and it's fine.

SS

Some more research may be needed here.
There my already be anti corrosion additives
in the fuel.
Trac it back to the refinery those guys will
have all the info.